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WCF Gm#4: KINGS vs. Hawks - 6/6/13 - Kings Go Down 3-1 in the Series

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KingKopitar11 said:
You're not bursting anything, there's a reason its called training camp. There can be an addition to the line up. Im sure no one thought dwight king would be playing the whole season this year the first game we brought him on. We will see.
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Oh, I have no doubt a player or two may get a serious look. Just not all six you had previously listed, that's all.
 
alpa said:
I feel ....empty.

This is probably over so I want too see them fighting for it till the end.

Complaining about Sutter when half his top six on is on crouches..I don't know, kinda stupid. He was moving people around to get balance and he did great but who should replace King without disturbing that balance. Nolan, Pearce?

King has been bad but he does pressure and limit opponents in their zone and he is good at it but it doesn't create anything except it stalls and puts a wrench into play.
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The Left side has Six goals total, Four at even strength this many games into the playoff's....

There is not a single LW player getting it done, not even Penner.

The production is nonexistent.

Clifford and Richardson....Have ZERO goals.
 
I am done with Penner. Thanks for all of the hard work and hope you get to show your post season talents to another team but we need some goals out of both of our top 6 LW's. I would rather we go with Pearson in the hopes that he can put up some numbers rather than Penner who we know simply won't. If we made a few moves maybe we could get a year out of someone else but I am done with Penns.
 
I only keep Penner as a 3rd line LW for 1.5m. He can take that or move on. Look at our division next year, we are going to need some consistent goalscoring.
 
jml87 said:
How has Richards been invisible? He led the team in points before getting a concussion and the PP has been even worse than usual without him. His defensive presence, leadership, and his swagger is severely missed as well. Lumping him in with Kopi and Brown is doing him a big injustice. It's obvious the team is missing him.
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I thought MR was having a really good playoffs up until his concussion too.
 
Black1963 said:
Oh, I have no doubt a player or two may get a serious look. Just not all six you had previously listed, that's all.
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Oh for sure. We need a top 6 from a trade but I got a feeling 2 will crack the line up.
 
People seriously blaming Sutter for this? Is this the bizarro world?

Him and Quick are the two major reasons why this team is here today.

If the C and A would bother to play some decent hockey at any point this post season we'd be through by now. Gutless performances.
 
Man if we didnt win the cup i'd feel bad right now. I really don't think it'd bother me that much if we miss it. Im glad we got this far thats all i care about. I am more concerned about the future line up/ and injuries our players have now.
 
Tonellisghost said:
Yep.


All signs point to that not getting a chance at happening.
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Then he really did burn his bridges with Lombardi.

Well you can never accuse Lombardi of not having principles.

Reminds me of that Herb Brooks moment in that movie(Miracle)..

Invites that hot shot player to play with the guys that been skating and working hard.

The guys get angry, cause the Star hasn't earned it.

Herb Brooks "Guys Star player can help us, but I am going to send him home"....

I am not saying Lombardi is right, but so far it looks like in his mind; Holloway has not earned the right to play for the Kings...
 
I only keep Penner as a 3rd line LW for 1.5m. He can take that or move on. Look at our division next year, we are going to need some consistent goalscoring.
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I'm done with him, he's had more than a fair chance to be consistent since he was traded to the Kings and he's come up short. His salary is not just based on playoff games. There are too many other options . And Sutter has made it pretty clear he doesn't like Penner. Signing Penner was DL's move, that 1 year deal was to 'prove' himself, he didn't.
Pearson is green but on the 3rd line with Stoll, getting his feet wet for awhile, would be better than Penner.
And DL will get a top 6 LW to complete the top 6 group, either for Richards or Kopi's lien (Williiams could move down to the 2nd) If Clarkson played LW he might have been a good fit since the Devils might be looking for a goalie. And he finished the year with 180 SOG which was tops on the list of UFA's.
 
damacles1156 said:
The Left side has Six goals total, Four at even strength this many games into the playoff's....

There is not a single LW player getting it done, not even Penner.

The production is nonexistent.

Clifford and Richardson....Have ZERO goals.
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Balance meaning chances and attempts, the scoring should become a result of that but it hasn't. Kings were outchanced in both in game one and two and Sutter made some lineshuffling and got better numbers and that was what he wanted.

Scoring got a better opportunity with his moves.

Edit: Aha you would get these guys out and put in ..who?
 
It was a great run.

Kopitar is obviously banged up, as is Brown. I think their health was fragile going into the playoffs - Kopi had zero explosiveness and Brown wasn't hitting or playing with any energy. The San Jose series and specifically the St. Louis series did them in. The amount of punishment in those games was mind-boggling.

I can't fathom how anyone can be disappointed in this team, or question their effort and play. They simply have nothing more to give. These guys live and breathe to play for each other, the locker room is ridiculously tight. It took everything they had to get through two series, and there isn't anything left in the tank.

Also, think about this. Give Chicago a banged up Sharp and Towes, and remove one of Hossa/Kane from their lineup. Do you think they would have a chance in hell against a healthy Kings team? They have it this year - the health, the bounces, the bottom liners stepping up, things going their way, you can see it. And they deserve it, they've busted their butts all season.
 
deeshamrock said:
I'm done with him, he's had more than a fair chance to be consistent since he was traded to the Kings and he's come up short. His salary is not just based on playoff games. There are too many other options . And Sutter has made it pretty clear he doesn't like Penner. Signing Penner was DL's move, that 1 year deal was to 'prove' himself, he didn't.
Pearson is green but on the 3rd line with Stoll, getting his feet wet for awhile, would be better than Penner.
And DL will get a top 6 LW to complete the top 6 group, either for Richards or Kopi's lien (Williiams could move down to the 2nd) If Clarkson played LW he might have been a good fit since the Devils might be looking for a goalie. And he finished the year with 180 SOG which was tops on the list of UFA's.
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Even with the Cap going down, some team is going to offer Bickell and Clarkson Ridiculous money/tern.

The team that pay's Clarkson is going to have another Leino on their hands.

Clarkson is not a consistent 30G scorer, he is not going to turn into one ether.
 
Man can you imagine if we had the CPR line as our 4th line? That'd be so beast.
 
Even with the Cap going down, some team is going to offer Bickell and Clarkson Ridiculous money/tern.
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There will be a lot of overpayment for some players. Mark Streit doesn't want to be an Islander anymore and is seeking north of 5.5 million. I wouldn't give him that but some team will.
Make you wonder what Malkin will get next year, if he's not traded first.
 
deeshamrock said:
There will be a lot of overpayment for some players. Mark Streit doesn't want to be an Islander anymore and is seeking north of 5.5 million. I wouldn't give him that but some team will.
Make you wonder what Malkin will get next year, if he's not traded first.
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The rumor is Malkin wants 10mill a year (Cap hit). So his actual salary will be north of 12mill.

Basically Malkin wants to be the highest paid player in the NHL.
 
I think David Clarkson/Ryane Clowe will be two guys to keep an eye on. I know Sutter loves Clowe, he always talks about him and his importance to the Sharks. Watch the handshake after the Devils series last year, Sutter had a long talk with Clarkson. I wouldn't be surprised if one of those guys signed with us come July 5th and Penner was not re-signed. Brendan Morrow is another name to keep an eye on, of course Iginla's relationship with Sutter will make him a hot link to the Kings.

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Clarkson/Clowe-Carter-Toffoli
Clifford-Richards-Lewis
King-Stoll-Nolan/Andreoff/Whoever

We still need to give Voynov, Scuderi, Martinez, Muzzin, Nolan, Clifford, Lewis a payday too. I'm assuming Muzzin, Martinez, Clifford, Nolan and Lewis all get tendered. Trevor Lewis may be the only guy who gets an extension and he definitely deserves it. Voynov will get a huge pay-raise, especially after these playoffs and I pray to God we find a way to keep Scuderi. I said it before and I'll say it again, the money they gave Regehr should've gone to Scuderi.
 
Richie10 said:
I'm all for supporting the team through the final seconds of this series, but I'm also all for being a realist and not torturing myself with misplaced hope. I did that for 25 years with the Kings before the Cup win and all it amounted to was a lot of broken remotes and holes in the wall. I call it like I see it, and right now I see the number one seed in the league, at 100% health, decisively beating a beat up, tired, and (for the most part) passionless group of Cup hangovers.

And that's not a knock on the Kings. It's amazing what they've accomplished this season despite a hell of a lot of adversity. I'm just dreading another year of "Kings finally played a good offensive team and lost" rebuttals from the short bus of a main board we have here on HF. I'm very proud of this team, despite my reactionary anti-Brown rants and generally knee jerk behavior from time to time. We have a good team, a great team, in fact. The numbers games they beat last year in terms of injuries caught up to them two fold this year.

Guys like Williams and Carter were able to rally the troops for a last charge-esque game three, but it looks like that's all they could muster. Despite the closeness in score, we were once again VERY opportunistic, sustained very little pressure throughout, and were just outgunned in the end. I was worried about this game the second Quick let in that first Bickell goal - not because I thought Quick was going to give up a bunch of softies, but Chicago simply has too much firepower up front to spot them one goal. Quenneville made a good line change to wake Kane up just enough to create some room for Hossa, then boom. That's the game. Too many weapons.

I would never say this on the main board because Chicago fans across all sports are generally overzealous, arrogant blowhards, but the Blackhawks are the number one team for a reason. They're a really ****ing good hockey team. The Kings at 100% health are still probably in the trenches of a seven game series against these guys - they're just that good. The fact that two of our losses have been one goal games and we managed to squeeze out a win in game three is a testament to the fortitude that this team has, all things considered. That doesn't make me depressed - that makes me proud.

As far as personnel decisions over the summer, I'm sure DL will make some shrewd moves. The Regehr signing looks full Pejorative Slur mode right now because Regehr just played one of the worst games of his entire career and was already getting exposed by his achilles heel (speed). We have Toffoli poised for a monster breakout year playing top six and top line PP and Voynov is just a total stud all around.

Kopitar, Brown, and Doughty no showing is the worst thing about this loss, not the loss itself. And if rumors are to be believed, two of those three guys are playing through major injuries. Stoll barely has his game legs under him after missing the entire second round, Greene is still playing catch up, Muzzin is a rookie, Richards is concussed, etc. etc. We have a long list of valid excuses as to why we're losing this series.

I, for one, will hang my head high, despite earlier outbursts, simply because this team won a Cup last season and reached the conference finals this year despite HUGE injuries on the blueline literally all season long and Kopitar performing his best rendition of a one legged man in an ass-kicking contest since mid-March.

Just avoid the main boards. There are a lot of fanbases who have been waiting well over a year for this day and are trolololoing their way into masturbatory, spiteful bliss. We have a great team, a Cup champion team, and a team that reached the final four only to get knocked out by the number one seed. Nothing to be ashamed about there.
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Great post. We're in the final 4 despite everything going against us this year. Everyone that hates that can suck it. Spector, Dater, Russo, and all the awful media hacks, the main board, the blind haterade, the Hawks fans who I had to remind were in the same position (3-1) last series and looked clueless, etc.

Live in the Now said:
I only keep Penner as a 3rd line LW for 1.5m. He can take that or move on. Look at our division next year, we are going to need some consistent goalscoring.
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Penner loves LA. I bet he takes a cut to stay. Where else is he gonna get a consistent EDM fix and people cheering him on as a section? ;)

I'm proud of what we've accomplished this year, and there's no shame in losing in the WCF to a great opponent no matter what the circumstances. If you would have told me in 2011 that we'd win a cup and 6 consecutive playoff series', I would have taken it. So I'm gonna take it, enjoy it, and cheer my ass off for the next game, one game at a time.
 
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