WCF: Edmonton Oilers vs. Colorado Avalanche ( Avs lead 3-0 )

[WetcoastOrca]

The similarities between the 2009 Pens and this Edmonton team are eerie

Agreed.
Darnell Nurse starring in the role of Kris Letang and Mike Smith as MAF.

 

[Avsfan1921]

No one is saying its for a full 60 minutes or Edmonton exclusive. But to say a crowd doesnt make a tangible difference is laughable. It has been said by many players, in every sport that going into loud, rowdy arenas/stadiums makes it harder.

It can give the team some extra jump off the beginning, it can add to the momentum when the team is flipping the flow of play, it can get dumb players agitated into doing stupid stuff. There's literally 1000s of examples in every sport.

Edmonton is just really in tune with the game and loud af, comparatively to a lot of the NHL. It wont win them a game, but it can add to moments and is one of many key components to a home advantage.

There are MANY Edmonton fans saying teams haven’t experienced their crowd and are not ready for it. Read HFOil and throughout this thread. That is where I take issue.

I have been arguing with two for the last half hour trying to get it through to them that home ice crowds have an impact, verrrry small, and it not exclusive to Edmonton yet oil fans cling to it like it’s gonna be their saving grace.

I’m pretty sure you’re one of those I’ve been arguing with yet in this quoted post above you are now saying that home ice crowds are not a big difference, and that it’s not Edmonton exclusive? While that’s what I’ve stated multiple times in the last half hour? What’s your point of contention with my statement exactly then?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I can't say I'm really going to be bothered if we lose this series. We beat Calgary and get to lord that over them for eternity. That's good enough for me.

 

[tardigrade81]

Have to think that played on the oilers, they’ve never seen an atmosphere like that… probably intimidated them as they’ve never been in a situation where the crowd was loud.

You’re victim complex and whining are on par with both teams defences. Less than 6% of posters have a sweep for Avs and I haven’t seen one analyst call for one. But yea, “most” think it we’ll be…

No idea where you see me as “whining” or “being a victim” lmao. Makes zero sense. Lots are thinking oilers are toast. I am not going back to quote the ones that have said it, but there has been quite a few. I’m simply saying these are too very good teams and it will go the distance

If that is being “a victim” ooooook then

 

[Steerpike]

The Oilers are an incredibly unique challenge.

I kinda want to call what they are doing "run and gun" but that feels too dismissive. They are remarkably effective at opening up the ice and creating attacking opportunities.

The Avs game plan seems to be to accept some of this looseness, but in an exploitative fashion. They are getting tons of turnovers from getting in the Oilers attacking lanes. However this is way riskier than just respecting the threat and staying back.

What the Avs seem to be missing from their toolbox is the ability to half turtle their leads. Play confidently, simply, and risk free. Instead Avs turtles are wildly shaky, so they're basically better off just going all gas no breaks and hope the increased scoring doesn't bite them.

 

[S E P H]

I’m not spinning anything it’s an actual fact the least amount of goals we’ve scored in our last 6 playoff games is 4 once. We’ve scored 6-5-4-5-5-6 goals our last 6 games. Unless your scoring 7 every game like tonight it’s tough to keep up.

Yeah, spinning the angle. You lot were in a game that scored six and still lost...

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yeah, spinning the angle. You lot were in a game that scored six and still lost...

...And still won the series.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

There are MANY Edmonton fans saying teams haven’t experienced their crowd and are not ready for it. Read HFOil and throughout this thread. That is where I take issue.

I have been arguing with two for the last half hour trying to get it through to them that home ice crowds have an impact, verrrry small, and it not exclusive to Edmonton yet oil fans cling to it like it’s gonna be their saving grace.

I’m pretty sure you’re one of those I’ve been arguing with yet in this quoted post above you are now saying that home ice crowds are not a big difference, and that it’s not Edmonton exclusive? While that’s what I’ve stated multiple times in the last half hour? What’s your point of contention with my statement exactly then?

I never said it was small. I truly believe it impacts the game on a fairly significant level. I was just responding to you by saying its ONE of the many important factors. I never said small or not important, I'm just saying its one component of many that makes home ice advantage.

And yes, I agree its not Edmonton exclusive, but like Anfield or Oracle gives advantages in their sport, I believe Rogers Arena is one of the few arenas in the NHL where it makes a significant impact and adds a lot to the many other advantages home ice gives you.

 

[EdAVSfan]

The Oilers are an incredibly unique challenge.

I kinda want to call what they are doing "run and gun" but that feels too dismissive. They are remarkably effective at opening up the ice and creating attacking opportunities.

The Avs game plan seems to be to accept some of this looseness, but in an exploitative fashion. They are getting tons of turnovers from getting in the Oilers attacking lanes. However this is way riskier than just respecting the threat and staying back.

What the Avs seem to be missing from their toolbox is the ability to half turtle their leads. Play confidently, simply, and risk free. Instead Avs turtles are wildly shaky, so they're basically better off just going all gas no breaks and hope the increased scoring doesn't bite them.

It’s weird though, because when on the road, they played the turtle strategy to perfection in their game 3 and 4 wins against St Louis. But at home, with big leads, they’ve botched game 5 vs StLouis and almost yesterday.

They seem to play a simpler game on the road and much less hectic.

 

[Avsfan1921]

No idea where you see me as “whining” or “being a victim” lmao. Makes zero sense. Lots are thinking oilers are toast. I am not going back to quote the ones that have said it, but there has been quite a few. I’m simply saying these are too very good teams and it will go the distance

If that is being “a victim” ooooook then

You are whining because you are Mis-stating that the vast majority of people believe this will be a sweep. And that feeds into the victim complex of “poor me”. That’s what I was getting at. I was not calling you a victim and that portion of my post was probably too extreme, for that I apologize.

 

[S E P H]

Just lulling the Avs into a false sense of security before the Lightning sweep them.

Joke is on you, Oilers are going to be swept by Lightning.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Joke is on you, Oilers are going to be swept by Lightning.

Fine by me. I'm already content no matter the outcome.

 

[Braunbaer]

How can you score 6 goals in back-to-back game 1s and lose both games? lol

 

[tardigrade81]

How can you score 6 goals in back-to-back game 1s and lose both games? lol

It really is mind boggling

 

[Avsfan1921]

I never said it was small. I truly believe it impacts the game on a fairly significant level. I was just responding to you by saying its ONE of the many important factors. I never said small or not important, I'm just saying its one component of many that makes home ice advantage.

And yes, I agree its not Edmonton exclusive, but like Anfield or Oracle gives advantages in their sport, I believe Rogers Arena is one of the few arenas in the NHL where it makes a significant impact and adds a lot to the many other advantages home ice gives you.

Then we are going in circles. Let me try it this way:

Show me a single play where the Edmonton crowd intimidated the opposition into a bad play. Now show me a single play where home ice gives you a beneficial matchup that leads to a goal.

One of these is fairly easy to do and significant. One is not. Home teams love playing at home and in front of their crowds. They feed off the energy. The crowd is not useless in that regard and ONLY that regard. This does not mean that opposition has never seen or dealt with it and will not effect THEIR play. This is not a significant advantage to Edmonton because it happens EVERYWHERE. So therefore your claim that it is an advantage for Edmonton on a significant level or makes a significant impact over others is not correct.

 

[S E P H]

Fine by me. I'm already content no matter the outcome.

Effective coping strategy, but low locus of control.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Then we are going in circles. Let me try it this way:

Show me a single play where the Edmonton crowd intimidated the opposition into a bad play. Now show me a single play where home ice gives you a beneficial matchup that leads to a goal.

One of these is fairly easy to do and significant. One is not. Home teams love playing at home and in front of their crowds. They feed off the energy. The crowd is not useless in that regard and ONLY that regard. This does not mean that opposition has never seen or dealt with it and will not effect THEIR play. This is not a significant advantage to Edmonton because it happens EVERYWHERE. So therefore your claim that it is an advantage for Edmonton on a significant level or makes a significant impact over others is not correct.

That is such a bizarre way to look at it. When you are stressed or intimidated does it always manifest its way in one obvious and easily identifiable way?

Are you honestly going to tell me when a team scores two goals and the crowd is rocking it doesn't add to the momentum? Like in Chicago when the Hawks flipped the play on Van and the crowd is rocking and everyone is singing chelsea dagger for the 5th time that game - it had no effect on Vancouver players? Their players literally grimace with disgust to this day when they hear that song...

 

[CaleMakaw]

It is clearly explained that the play is onside by the NHL in the Offside Rules video at 6:15.

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Can we just pin this?

 

[CycloneSweep]

Effective coping strategy, but low locus of control.

ITs not coping. A bunch of us are just happy this team didn't choke in the first round again and are happy they didn't lose to Calgary. Even if we lose every game from here on out 24-0 it doesn't matter. We are much further than we should be lol

 

[Puck Blaster]

How many goals in this series? 50+

 

[Bounces R Way]

The Avalanche are much better equipped to win a river hockey series than the Kings and Flames were. That being said I still wouldn't want to give McDavid and Draisaitl that kind of room to operate in. Skill checking the best player in the world isn't how I would go about things. Hopefully Kuemper can go for game 2, I don't mind Francouz but that'd be a tall task for a backup and might force the Avs to open it up.


Oh and stop playing Jack Johnson. MacDermid sucks too but at least he'll be a mean bastard in front of the net.

 

[Rude Dog]

How can you score 6 goals in back-to-back game 1s and lose both games? lol

You dress the Oilers D and 40 year old goalie.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The Avalanche are much better equipped to win a river hockey series than the Kings and Flames were. That being said I still wouldn't want to give McDavid and Draisaitl that kind of room to operate in. Skill checking the best player in the world isn't how I would go about things. Hopefully Kuemper can go for game 2, I don't mind Francouz but that'd be a tall task for a backup and might force the Avs to open it up.


Oh and stop playing Jack Johnson. MacDermid sucks too but at least he'll be a mean bastard in front of the net.

The Avs were up 7-3 (or whatever) when they started to turtle. They didn't seem to be struggling too much until then. The Avs can spread the minutes of that kind of pace of play among more than two guys. This pace also puts the Edmonton defensemen in a more vulnerable position. They were able to catch their breath when the Avs started to turtle.

 

[Avsfan1921]

That is such a bizarre way to look at it. When you are stressed or intimidated does it always manifest its way in one obvious and easily identifiable way?

Are you honestly going to tell me when a team scores two goals and the crowd is rocking it doesn't add to the momentum? Like in Chicago when the Hawks flipped the play on Van and the crowd is rocking and everyone is singing chelsea dagger for the 5th time that game - it had no effect on Vancouver players? Their players literally grimace with disgust to this day when they hear that song...

To your first, if it’s not identifiable what is the point of arguing for it? Let alone it’s supposed substantial impact on the opposing player. At this point the theory is akin to flat earth or religion. Your choosing to believe it because you want it to be true. Nothing backs it up. You quoted me to begin this argument but you have yet to bring anything supportive to it other than you believe it does. Show me instances where the crowd is undeniably the beneficial reason for anything towards opposing players. Now show me how Edmonton crowds do it better. You can’t…. Because they don’t. I have not, nor ever, denied that a home crowd is beneficial to the home team. I have always said opposing teams are not effected in the VAST majority of circumstances.

To the second, are you honestly going to tell me that when a team blows a lead they don’t get nervous and sit back, compounding the problem? This only happens to the away teams? Hell, it happened to my team last night…. At home

You can find coincidences in anything if you try hard enough, that’s how conspiracies are born. Unless you can bring something other than you choose to believe it makes a difference we should bring this argument to a close as we’ve both spent way too much time on it.

Im sure it’ll be brought up again and we’ll both be right there for it but Im gonna disengage for now unless something other than “I believe” can be brought to the table. I’m not directly quoting you btw, just the foundation brought to the table by those that have made this argument.

 

[Jixer19]

The Avalanche are much better equipped to win a river hockey series than the Kings and Flames were. That being said I still wouldn't want to give McDavid and Draisaitl that kind of room to operate in. Skill checking the best player in the world isn't how I would go about things. Hopefully Kuemper can go for game 2, I don't mind Francouz but that'd be a tall task for a backup and might force the Avs to open it up.


Oh and stop playing Jack Johnson. MacDermid sucks too but at least he'll be a mean bastard in front of the net.

I would put in Murray first, has to be better than Jack Johnson, I would hope lol