WCF: Edmonton Oilers vs. Colorado Avalanche ( Avs lead 3-0 )

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Three On Zero

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Draisaitl is easily the best passer in the nhl. Forehand backhand doesn’t matter. That’s his best asset and always has been going back to junior.
What a nice little story, but his passing ability isn't what we are talking about
 

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Wait so they're betting against my team by not betting against them?

Masterful logic.
I'm guessing you're having trouble interpreting what I said in my second sentence then? It's actually impressive how far off that guess was and the bar is already set so low here.
 

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Avs in 7

At the second I write this an image appears to me...

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... Avs in 4 :naughty:
 

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Colorado in 7.

This is probably going to end up being the highest scoring Playoff series in NHL history.
 

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You just said the only thing Draisaitl has better than MacKinnon is his shot and the guy retorts that he's a better passer too. Nice deflection though.
That's not what he was quoting, points for trying though.

Although I do agree his passing is better, that's my fault for putting it in that OP
 

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I had to stop and laugh when you said best playmaker in the league :laugh:
He is probably the best passer in the league especially off the backhand. The NHL players thought so as well.


Draisaitl has always been a pass first player. He developed his shot after he started to play with McDavid since when the two are together McDavid is the primary puck carrier.

MacKinnon is definitely the more dynamic player. But as a pure playmaker, I would take Leon for sure.
 
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Avs in 7. MacDangle and Makar the difference makers. This is going to be the best hockey in a decade. a spectacle of speed and skill.
 

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He is probably the best passer in the league especially off the backhand. The NHL players thought so as well.


Draisaitl has always been a pass first player. He developed his shot after he started to play with McDavid since when the two are together McDavid is the primary puck carrier.

MacKinnon is definitely the more dynamic player. But as a pure playmaker, I would take Leon for sure.
Again..... we are not talking about passing here :laugh:
 

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Playmaking isn't talking about passing now? :rolleyes:

Just lean into it and own your bad take. Its not like being horribly wrong has stopped you before. :laugh::laugh:
Passing is only a portion of what is considered for being a playmaker. Not sure how you can spin that into a bad take :laugh:
 

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Again..... we are not talking about passing here :laugh:
But he is a superb playmaker in all respects. Great vison. He has tremendous puck control and when he has the puck he tends to draw a lot of attention which opens up ice others. And passing is a big part of playmaking, because you have to get the puck to the guy if he is to have a chance to score.

What part of being a great playmaker is missing from his game? What aspect of MacKinnon's game makes him a better playmaker? We're not talking about some second tier player in Draisaitl. The guy was a legitimate MVP and Art Ross winner. You can argue that a few guys might be as good at playmaking...McDavid, Panerin, Kane, Huberdeau perhaps. But none are obviously better that much better if at all.
 
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Anyone that thinks this is gonna be a offensive series is out to lunch. The games they played against each other other than the Edmonton blowout were defensive games. If Colorado wants to have a shootout the Oilers can play that to a tee. The best bet at beating the Oilers is to have a defensive clinic. The only team left in final four that plays a 1-3-1 style that the Oilers have had trouble with is Tampa and they have shown that they have trouble with speedy teams, acting like they can easily beat NYR is silly. This will not be a easy series for the Aves or Tampa Bay.
 

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But he is a superb playmaker in all respects. Great vison. He has tremendous puck control and when he has the puck he tends to draw a lot of attention which opens up ice others. And passing is a big part of playmaking, because you have to get the puck to the guy if he is to have a chance to score.

What part of being a great playmaker is missing from his game? What aspect of MacKinnon's game makes him a better playmaker? We're not talking about some second tier player in Draisaitl. The guy was a legitimate MVP and Art Ross winner. You can argue that a few guys might be as good at playmaking...McDavid, Panerin, Kane, Huberdeau perhaps. But none are obviously better that much better if at all.
He is an overall good playmaker, just not the best in the league
 

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I absolutely cannot wait for game 1 and I dont really have a horse in this race. Both teams have players who are incredibly talented and deserving a SCF appearence. I think it will come down to goalies, as both have been shaky at times. Good luck to both teams!
 

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He is probably the best passer in the league especially off the backhand. The NHL players thought so as well.


Draisaitl has always been a pass first player. He developed his shot after he started to play with McDavid since when the two are together McDavid is the primary puck carrier.

MacKinnon is definitely the more dynamic player. But as a pure playmaker, I would take Leon for sure.
Silly NHL players voted that they would want MacKinnon in their team before Draisaitl. I guess they don't read hfboards so they don't know how much better Draisaitl is.
 
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Silly NHL players voted that they would want MacKinnon in their team before Draisaitl. I guess they don't read hfboards so they don't know how much better Draisaitl is.
McKinnon does things that Draisaitl can't and vice versa. Check out the stick handling vote which is very much advantage MacKinnon. The question was about Draisaitl's playmaking ability not his overall game. But in that specific instance you are quoting MacKinnon got 3.3% of the vote. That is 16 players vs the 94 that voted Draisaitl as the best passer.
 

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Overhyped series never tend to deliver, this is one which is getting broadcast everywhere in the hockey world and even ads showing stars facing off. Considering how many people are talking about it and writing the same thing over and over again (about speed and skill), I will be surprised if it does at this point.
Avs sweep and I wont watch ..on too late and rhe Oilera are boring. check scores and highlights in the a.m
 

nahkhiirmees

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McKinnon does things that Draisaitl can't and vice versa. Check out the stick handling vote which is very much advantage MacKinnon. The question was about Draisaitl's playmaking ability not his overall game. But in that specific instance you are quoting MacKinnon got 3.3% of the vote. That is 16 players vs the 94 that voted Draisaitl as the best passer.
Not disagreeing with you, just pointed it out since the discussion about his playmaking abilities began from the statement that Draisaitl is superior overall. Question wasn't originally about his playmaking ability.
 

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I think both of these teams have their star players maturing at the same time... the Avs with more higher end value contracts (for now) and thus the greater depth... not to mention a great pick with Makar at 4OA.

Also a very key trade the Avs made that the Oilers could have also made... the Oilers traded two 2nd round picks for Athanasiou at the same TDL that the Avs traded two 2nd round picks for Toews. If the Oilers have Toews, then don't trade for Keith. Man, Holland is such a clown. Why can't the Oilers hire competent management... Katz is willing to spend, but doesn't know how to spend it wisely.
I hear ya. The Avs pro scouting have done a real good job at targeting underachieving players from other teams and getting them for 'fairly' cheap. I think it's all about how those players would fit into their system. Guys like Toews and Burakovsky are good examples.

But it's not all bad for EDM though. The decision to target a player like Hyman seems like a good one and I don't think a lot of your fans regret that one. Bringing in a guy like E.Kane was a gamble that most teams didn't want to take but it's made you a much more dangerous team.
 
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Bender

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Fair to say Kadri won't be the Avs #2 C next season?

I don't see how they can afford what he will command.

Likely looking at at least 9 million per year.
I would have been surprised to see the Avs re-sign him even before the season started last year. Even with last season's stats, he was always going to command at least $6M per year on a multi-year contract.

I said it then and I'll certainly say it now after the season he just had - he is going to command more $$$ and more term than the Avs are going to feel comfortable giving him, so for that reason he is going to UFA where some 'genius' GM (probably chuck fletcher) will unload a truck full of money at his house.

Good player, good bounce-back season after the way it ended for him last year but it was never going to be a contract that the Avs could afford going forward. He's been playing on what a 7 year deal at $4.5M per year?? Yeah, he's going to want to break the bank and I don't blame him at all.
 
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