WC Gold Medal GDT: Czech Republic vs. Canada

[RorschachWJK]

Never posted their in my life. You can however, find me on Oilfans.com. Hockey talk is pretty dead there these days, so I headed to these parts.

Oh, and Canuck21t, I was referring to Dominator, and my buddy Sven as the coalition of Smyth hating canuck fans. Not you. Although you dissapoint me too, but at least you watched the game until the end. I'll grant you " Real Canadian in waiting" status. Give my boy Smytty some props for being a true pariot, and i'll upgrade your status. Sven, and Dom have a long ways to go.

Fortunately I know that the vast majority of Canadian hockey fans are not like you. I feel sorry for the likes of you.

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

I never doubted Smyth's patriotism. I just wish he had a cooler head that's all.

Inftactions like that are quite rare for Smyth. I don't think he has a problem witha cool head at all. Give the guy a break, he lost a World Championship...probably taking the loss a little tougher than we are. Congrats Czechs, great hockey from the goaltender out. Congrats to our guys also...very good showing for such a poor blue line.

 

[Rogalo]

I believe that kind of remark shows lack of good taste from Vokoun

How can someone lack taste, when you don´t even know what he said?

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

I'm a Wings fan, I couldn't care less about this Canucks/Oilers nonsense. Smyth was being a big baby, nothing else to it. His team was cleanly and soundly beaten and all he could do was swing his stick around in frustration.

Sounds almost like you were right on the ice when it happened. There was probably nothing said to Smyth either. I'll grant your probably correct about the frustration but other than that you're SPECULATING and know absolutely nothing about what was happening in the trenches that day...of course I don't either but the difference is that I don't claim to.

 

[Rob]

The Smyth incident is overblown. He got a 2 minute roughing penalty. Two other Canadians and three Czech players also go 2 minute roughing penalties. Waaayyy too much has been made of this by the anti-Canadian hockey crowd.

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

The Smyth incident is overblown. He got a 2 minute roughing penalty. Two other Canadians and three Czech players also go 2 minute roughing penalties. Waaayyy too much has been made of this by the anti-Canadian hockey crowd.

Good call but there were a few Canadian fans ripping him too. Definately better things to talk about than a few little chops to Fischer's big toe.

 

[waffledave]

"I did something that I am not proud of and I was trying to apologize after the game.....I did something stupid" - Czech Goalie Tomas Vokoun

Maybe it was when Vokoun threw Smyth down to the ice. I think that's what started that whole thing.

 

[Tricolore#20]

I am certain it must have been the Heatley/Snyder incident. If you saw that incident near the end of the game, you could see Heatley and Vokoun exchanging nasty words. Very nasty. I noted that as it happened, as Heatley looked extremely upset. At the time I thought it was about the car accident, and it probably was, judging by Vokoun's comments.

I respect Vokoun for coming out and apologizing. People say things in the heat of the moment they don't neccessarily mean, and for him to come out and apologize shows that he didn't mean those things. Unfortunately for Heatley, it's something that he has to live with for the rest of his life.

 

[Larionov]

Hats off to the Czechs, who are a threat to win gold in any tournament, no matter what roster Canada brings. Those guys have world class talent, and when they get world class goaltending like that they are going to be awfully tough to beat. (As an aside, do you think that George McPhee might be wondering where that version of Jaromir Jagr was hiding during his time in Washington?)

Having said that, Canada made a huge error in judgement in bringing in players who didn't play in 04-05. Almost all of them looked like exactly what they were -- guys in September/October condition playing against guys in April/May condition. Jovo, Walker, Draper, Maltby, Smyth, Regehr, Marleau all looked half a step slow and unable to contribute the way they could or should. Hell, just contrast Ryan Smyth's play last year to this year and you can see what the lockout did. About the only two recently inactive players who looked good were Redden and Gagne. Is it any surprise that Canada's most effective two players, Thornton and Nash, were two young guys who played all year?

Canada should have stuck to a roster of players who had played this last winter, be it in Europe or in the AHL. Bringing in grinders like Draper, Doan, Walker and Maltby after not having played all year, throwing them on international sized ice, and expecting them to play well was the height of stupidity.

 

[mcphee]

Ryan Smyth has always worn the Canadian sweater with a lot of pride. He's always answered the call and shown up and to me, that counts for a lot. I also think every team he's been on has been better with his presence. That being said, I think he acted like a fool yesterday. If he was retaliating for something, fine, give the guy a shot and move on. He'll see Fischer again. I'd like to think Smyth is a bit embarassed today. If Fischer was on the losing end, and took about 7 whacks at Smth, we [Canadian fans] would be calling for Fischer's scalp. It was one incident, not characteristic of Smyth or Canadian hockey players so hopefully that's the end of it.

As to what Vokoun did or didn't say, I also hope this isn't characteristic of him. That's low , and I trust he knows it. Chris Nilan was one of my all time favorites, but I remember him making a glass tipping motion at Craig Mac Tafter his release from jail, in Boston one night. Not one of Chris' finer moments. Funny how we seem to want a judgemnet of 'no big deal, just one of those things' for own players and want to believe the worst about the opposition's. I mean pretty well all countries when I say this. Guess that's why they call us fans,ehh.

Btw, congratulations to the Czech fans. We'll get ya next time.

 

[FacelessButcher]

How come when Maltby talks a little smack to Kovalchuk, and gets cross checked in the face in return, no one cares. But when Vokoun talks smack (of the pretty bad variety too if he felt the need to apologize) and Smyth retaliates by slashing Fischers skates it's some sort of national epidemic, worthy of scorn?

 

[mr gib]

And here we go again. Europeans against Canadians. Europeans call Smyth´s action slashing - Canadians like waffledave call it "love taps" . IMO Smyth looked like a f...ing Pejorative Slur out there with that slashing and made the whole pub where I was watching the game laugh. On the other hand I found it very sad that even a Canadian captain does not know how to lose.

i guess after the goalie called your team-mate a murderer - its all over the radio here in vancouver - i knew it had to be pretty bad for smyth to go wacko

 

[Wondercarrot]

Smyth looked like an idiot hacking at Fishers ankles, regardless of what was said. Im sure Vokoun just said it unprovoked as well. as if a Canadian player's never said anything over the line. that crap happens all the time.

its not an excuse to take 7 o 8 full swings at a guys ankles. I was embarassed.
Maguire went off the deep end with the hit from behind on Gagne, yet Smyth trying to Bobby Clarke Fischers ankles was barely worth a comment.

 

[mr gib]

sure - it wasn't - good

 

[Pepper]

How come when Maltby talks a little smack to Kovalchuk, and gets cross checked in the face in return, no one cares. But when Vokoun talks smack (of the pretty bad variety too if he felt the need to apologize) and Smyth retaliates by slashing Fischers skates it's some sort of national epidemic, worthy of scorn?

Wait, what did Vokoun's comments have to do with Smyth whacking Fischer's ankles??? First of all, I think Smyth's whacks happened before Vokoun got involved and secondly, why didn't Smyth go after Vokoun? Or are you talking abotu Smyth retaliating something what Fischer did? If so, what did Fischer do?

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

Wait, what did Vokoun's comments have to do with Smyth whacking Fischer's ankles??? First of all, I think Smyth's whacks happened before Vokoun got involved and secondly, why didn't Smyth go after Vokoun? Or are you talking abotu Smyth retaliating something what Fischer did? If so, what did Fischer do?

I thought the Vokun thing happened after also...did I miss something? Just looked to me like a hockey fit and tired legs on Smyth's part. I don't respect him any less...I'd like to think maybe the Vokoun incident is being overblown also...remains to be seen I guess.

 

[mr gib]

way overblown - no one says jack when some one gets speared in the can or elbowed in the head -
anyone who's played the game knows going for the shins is more of a message sender - nuff said

 

[Wisent]

That's right. Smyth slashes were before the trashtalk. Can we have a link concerning what he has said, if it is on the radio it's written somewhere for sure. I googled for it but couldn't find anything. I can't believe he said something that horrible as some people here assume.

 

[mr gib]

can't find anything either - probably yapping at him the whole game - and not just the keeper -
he truly lost it though and started in on the first guy near him - the d man showed some good poise - he coulda really caused something - pretty big dood -

 

[FacelessButcher]

Wait...

Wrote you two responses and lost them both to "HF server is to busy at the moment" so I'll just say in short I don't think this incident is worth the fuss it's recieving on these boards and leave it at that.

 

[12# Peter Bondra]

Video of Smyth slashing:

http://www.mujweb.cz/www/tapitek/full_attack.mpg

 

[white tiger]

Video of Smyth slashing:

http://www.mujweb.cz/www/tapitek/full_attack.mpg

Is this a captain of canadian team? What a good example of sportmanship!

 

[Oil_slick9416*]

Video of Smyth slashing:

http://www.mujweb.cz/www/tapitek/full_attack.mpg

OMG lets lock him up

 

[Master Lok]

bwahahahaha! That's it? I just saw the video of the "Smyth slashing attack" posted above and all you people are crying about that? I was expecting much much worse from the overwrought hype on this thread.

What a joke - waffledave is totally correct. I've seen this type of "attack" in quite a number of games that I watch. Maybe a couple of extra slashes than usual, but it was quite evident that Smyth was slashing at Fischer's skate blade and I would be surprised if any of the slashes actually contacted the ankle or higher. Just an everyday hockey occurence to me.

One last thing - when you're watching the video - where is Fischer's stick located?

Hey I'm just saying that this type of play occurs all the time in hockey. Both Fischer's stick and Smyth's.

Otherwise, a well deserving win by the Czech team. CongratS! And Smyth is STILL Captain Canada in my books. He has served for his country's team so many times when there was no spotlight on the tournament and this so called "attack" has done absolutely nothing to change my mind in that regard.

 

[Master Lok]

And Canuck21t, what would you do with Fischer's stick fondling your gonads? Try to score when there's a stick in your nether regions...

I notice that there's a lot of judgemental posters on here... all they're seeing is Smyth's stickwork without noticing the stick in between his legs.