Confirmed with Link: Washington Capitals have acquired defenseman Jakob Chychrun from the Ottawa Senators in exchange for defenseman Nick Jensen and a 2026 third-round pic
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Still here lol. Credit where credits due. He's had a really good off-season. Let's hope he can do some solid asset management here coming down the stretch this season. Sitting on a bunch of UFAs to get blitzed in the first round would be a unwise move. Trade as much as you can away, bring in Hershey guys to fill their roles and reload again next off-season with expiring contracts. Rinse and repeat until Ovi is done then dismantle whatever you can and embrace the tank and hope we can get a franchise player at the draft somehow to build the next dynasty around.
I dunno if they truly have to tank to get there. Not anymore.
I mean, is that “the best way”? Probably — and you’ll notice I didn’t say “the surest way” — but nothing is ever guaranteed. Looks at unnamed franchises that tanked. Some still suck.
However, with this management brain trust, I think they would do great with a tank. So if that’s the route they choose, I’m with them.
That said, there are other routes these days. Last 2 cup champs haven’t “tanked”, to win their title. Neither did St Louis in 19. So 3 outta the last 6 didn’t go that route.
Is it important to get top 5 picks? Sure as heck yeah. f*** yeah!!
But those don’t always happen due to tanking, just a shit season. And also you can acquire in other ways, outside the draft.
Big picture?
Hasn’t this past week or so shown us at least one thing? That we should trust in the leadership to not only “see the problems”, but to “act on the problems”, when they can? Meaning salary cap allowances?
The grief ppl give GMBM is simply not warranted. He is top 5 GM in the league. He has experience/standing. He has a Cup. He’s good to the coaches and players.
Replacing him will 80% lead to a worse situation. He’s not GMGM, and I mean that in a good way. And hell, GMGM has his Cup too.
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I saw a glimpse of betting odds for who will win the Norris -trophy next season and Chychrun was at +8000 and Carlson at +15000.
That's crazy for me but basically not everyone thinks he is this brutal D like Sens fans are making him to be.
I hope he's really that good.
That's crazy for me but basically not everyone thinks he is this brutal D like Sens fans are making him to be.
I hope he's really that good.
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Sens fan here, wishing Chychrun the best in Washington but you lot are going to be frsutrated by him. He has the body and physique to be a physical beast, but he's soft as butter with and without the puck. He never uses his body to tie a guy up, and then overskates with the puck instead of calming the play and looking for the right move.
Maybe Ovie and Wilson can get Chychrun to use his body for once.
Maybe Ovie and Wilson can get Chychrun to use his body for once.
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Sounds like we’ll both have some frustrations….otherwise, neither guy would likely be on the move….I’d suggest Chychrun knew he needed to keep from sustaining major injury, and in his mind wasn’t long for Ottawa, so he probably saved himself some last season.
I’d bet we get a bounce back season in his contract year. Likewise Jensen will have you pulling your hair out in the offensive zone, but that aside, expect him to play strong.
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I don't know how much I buy into that stuff. It was his second ever NHL team and it was probably quite an adjustment to learn the system and start to gel with all the new teammates... like how we saw for the other guy involved in this deal.
Then the coach gets fired a few months in so he's having to learn new tactics and systems all over again. I would imagine physicality could decrease a bit while trying to make sure you're in the right position and looking for the right outlets immediately after winning a puck battle.
And maybe the guy just didn't gel with the organization... living in the city itself. The human element comes into play.
I'm not betting against the culture the Caps have built in this case.
Then the coach gets fired a few months in so he's having to learn new tactics and systems all over again. I would imagine physicality could decrease a bit while trying to make sure you're in the right position and looking for the right outlets immediately after winning a puck battle.
And maybe the guy just didn't gel with the organization... living in the city itself. The human element comes into play.
I'm not betting against the culture the Caps have built in this case.
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hb13xchamps
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Quinn Hughes just won a Norris and the guy doesn’t PK. That trophy isn’t about playing defense anymore. JC74 was robbed the year Josi (I think) won
Not surprised with these gremlins. Feels like one of those players on a good team on their toes enforcing their will he looks great but reverse looks to be challenged.
At this point with the caps really doesn't matter all the much since they are not a SC challenging wheel house at this point.
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If you want to have a little fun, check out Chychrun when he was a rising star for the Yotes. I think he has a better shot than Carlson. We need to figure out how to get him on PP1.
This vid just reminds how much I despise the logo and colors of this franchise but for the moment, considering the state of the franchise, negative hitpoints. Hopefully they don't somehow get gifted with the Last Stand mythic feat and truly pass away.
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Mike Green and Carlson should have a Norris. Voters always hated caps
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Green rated ever so slightly higher than Chara in 2009, but it was splitting hairs. Chara was much better defensively so maybe that gave him the edge with voters. Similarly in 2010 Green was just a tick behind Duncan Keith in the GAR metrics. Green had good cases in both years but he wasn't robbed.
Carlson was lucky to get second place and should have been nowhere near winning the Norris in 2020. He was certainly strong on the offensive side of the puck but he completely abandoned defensive responsibilities that year. Josi was the right choice, and I would have had at least 10 others ahead of Carlson.
Carlson was lucky to get second place and should have been nowhere near winning the Norris in 2020. He was certainly strong on the offensive side of the puck but he completely abandoned defensive responsibilities that year. Josi was the right choice, and I would have had at least 10 others ahead of Carlson.
hb13xchamps
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Green wins the Norris in today’s NHL. He still has the most goals by a defenseman for at least two decades if not more. The other two who came close, Burns with 29 in 16-17 and Makar with 28 in 21-22, both won Norris trophies those years
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Remember the Mike Green hate around here in 2009/2010. Everyone despised that Mike Green was scoring a ton. Bunch of haters
It was before I really understood any sort of advanced hockey metrics but I was like “uhh he’s scoring goals, that’s why he’s not clearing the crease”
It was before I really understood any sort of advanced hockey metrics but I was like “uhh he’s scoring goals, that’s why he’s not clearing the crease”
What the hell? How did this trade happen? By blackmail or violence?
I think it is better now. Back when Green was snubbed I felt the Norris joke was the biggest joke trophy.
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Quinn Hughes not deserving it is a hot take because he doesn't PK. Who should have won it instead? Hughes PK's more than Josi, who also bleeds goals against ES. Cale Makar plays on the PK but ES he's hot trash defensively compared to Q.Hughes. Does he deserve it because he has bigger PK role on a middling PK team?
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Not to mention the "Green Freeze Out" the Philly writers orchestrated to not vote for him because Pronger wasn't on the ballot.
hb13xchamps
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The Norris is supposed to go to the “top defensive player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position.” Shouldn’t that mean a guy who plays all situations? We all know the Norris is now awarded to one of the top elite offensive minded defenseman. Which is fine, but let’s call it like it is and not pretend it goes to the best all around defensive player.
The past winners are Hughes, Karlsson, Makar, Fox and Josi. They all were in the top 3 of offensive production. Only Fox and Makar are active penalty killers. Hughes averaged a whopping 6 more seconds a game than Josi this year. That’s like one or two more shifts
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Defensive ability is much more concentrated towards average while offensive impacts are far more widely distributed. Defensemen who separate themselves from the rest aren't those who kill penalties well, it's those who drive offense.
The voters are doing a good job recognizing this IMO.
The voters are doing a good job recognizing this IMO.
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Coaches decide which defensemen are on the ice when. Coaches decide match-ups and PK duty. Don't confuse not PKing with poor results when PKing (or "can't PK").
A lot of coaches and trying to maximize the overall value of their defensive core, and that can involve selective deployments. A lot of coaches don't opt to gas out their best two-way player on the PK, especially if they have other viable PKers. They would rather save them for other situations, such as being able to contribute on higher leverage shifts where they can score.
To put it another way, Quinn Hughes is already playing 24:41/game overall. Are you going to take away even-strength or powerplay shifts from Hughes, who scored 92 points and tilts the ice at even-strength, so you can lighten the PK load of Ian Cole, Tyler Myers, or Carson Soucy? Personally, I'd agree with the approach Vancouver took, let the depth guys PK and fill their role so that you can deploy Hughes in situations where he can tilt the ice.
