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Was Krejci's glove-down legal?

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tarheelhockey

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N o o d l e s said:
If he threw the puck wouldn’t he have to have made a throwing motion?

He was moving pretty quickly when he, keyword, dropped the puck so it seemed to me like momentum carried it forward.

I can see it being similar to the Johanssen play but it seems to me like Johanssen legit carried it.
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He flipped the puck forward after holding it palm-down, and the puck ended up not only behind the guy in front of him, but so far ahead that he had to hustle to catch up with it.

There is no possibility that this would happen if he a) was playing it with an open hand in the first place b) was actually “dropping” it rather than throwing it.
 
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tarheelhockey said:
He flipped the puck forward after holding it palm-down, and the puck ended up not only behind the guy in front of him, but so far ahead that he had to hustle to catch up with it.

There is no possibility that this would happen if he a) was playing it with an open hand in the first place b) was actually “dropping” it rather than throwing it.
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He doesn’t have to play it with an open hand. If he closes his hand on it he just has to drop it immediately, which he did.

I don’t see how it could be so unbelievable that at a high rate of speed, coupled with momentum, on ICE, that the puck could go so far.

Again I just don’t see a throwing motion and I’m not even trying to be biased.
 
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Aho Mitakuye Oyasin said:
Maybe you could read the thread where the rules he broke have been posted literally dozens of times?

Is this a war of attrition? Do Bruins fans think by coming in waves and obstinately saying "Show me what rule he broke" while breezing past common sense is a winning strategy? Because it is crazy annoying.
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If the rule was so blatantly broken, why didn't one of the 4 refs blow the whistle??

If there is a rule in place and it can't be easily identified on the ice, then either the rule needs to be amended or refs retrained on the matter

The reality is, alot of players catch the puck and drop it to their favourable position. Think about on the PP. If a D is trying to prevent the puck from leaving the zone and catches the puck. An opposing player is rushing him , if he drops the puck in the pathway of the rushing forward, well that can lead to a breakaway..... that is considered a "mistake play" by the D then

IF the D tries to bat the puck in, then his teammate can't touch it and leads to a faceoff outside of the zone. Again a "mistake" play

So the optimal play for this D is to catch the puck and release it , in a way that avoids the "situation" in the first example.

IF this "advancement" is illegal ..then refs should call a penalty on it consistently. But since they don't, maybe its time for the league to amend/modify this rule in the rulebook

Generally this type of advancement is allowed with no whistle blown. Up to how much leeway this advancement is allowed IS up for debate is what I have been saying. Some have posted , you can't advance past a player. Well again, with the D trying to keep the puck in the zone example, you see many times where the D catches the puck and advances to his left and right (passing an opposing player to the open spot) or advancing a little forward to bypass traffic

To have everyone on the same page without debate, just don't allow the "catching" of the puck. Or if that is not going to happen....well plays like yesterday happened and will continue to happen in the future (with likely no whistles blown)
 
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I mean, I agree it happened quickly, but this was one of those cases where the official should have been able to extrapolate what happened based on the result.

The puck was tossed past an opposing player, and the only way for that to happen is if he didn’t immediately place it on the ice. There was a clear advantage gained too, which also supports a call.

The refs are trained to make calls like this at real time. They obviously can’t always get it right, and I don’t think anyone is suggesting it’s realistic for that. Hell, the OP isn’t attacking them or anything. He asked if it was a legal play. The answer is no. It was a missed call, and it unfortunately lead to a goal. We’ve seen missed calls lead to goals before, so seeing it happen isn’t all that surprising, right? It still sucks.
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Oh I thought this was the thread where the bruins were accused of being in cahoots with the nhl and the call was missed intentionally and that it’s not that they’re a good team, it’s that the nhl is handing them all these wins.

And sure I agree that the refs could have been able to extrapolate what had happened, but had krejci just batted the puck without closing his hand on it and it was batted to the spot where he had tossed it, would that have been illegal?

If it’s not, In .2 seconds it’s tough to determine which scenario had happened regardless of the result. He had the puck for as long as a good 2nd basemen turning a double play. By the time he had covered the puck with his glove it was already navigated to a good spot to create a scoring chance
 
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N o o d l e s said:
He doesn’t have to play it with an open hand. If he closes his hand on it he just has to drop it immediately, which he did.

I don’t see how it could be so unbelievable that at a high rate of speed, coupled with momentum, on ICE, that the puck could go so far.

Again I just don’t see a throwing motion and I’m not even trying to be biased.
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Look at Krejci's arm. It ends up near his head.

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Why would not consider the above a "throwing" motion?
 
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Montecristo said:
Oh I thought this was the thread where the bruins were accused of being in cahoots with the nhl and the call was missed intentionally and that it’s not that they’re a good team, it’s that the nhl is handing them all these wins.

And sure I agree that the refs could have been able to extrapolate what had happened, but had krejci just batted the puck without closing his hand on it and it was batted to the spot where he had tossed it, would that have been illegal?

If it’s not, In .2 seconds it’s tough to determine which scenario had happened regardless of the result. He had the puck for as long as a good 2nd basemen turning a double play. By the time he had covered the puck with his glove it was already navigated to a good spot to create a scoring chance
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And this is what I mean.... people can whine about this...but it is near impossible for the refs to blow their whistle in this situation. Advancements happen and refs usually don't blow their whistles. I don't ever think I have seen it happen

Unless a player blatantly catches the puck and skates with it (for seconds), the refs are unlikely to blow the whistle

so it does nothing to argue if that play was legal or illegal. But such "illegal" play deemed by some here, is going to continue to happen with no whistles blown
 
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rocketdan9 said:
And this is what I mean.... people can whine about this...but it is near impossible for the refs to blow their whistle in this situation. Advancements happen and refs usually don't blow their whistles. I don't ever think I have seen it happen

Unless a player blatantly catches the puck and skates with it, the refs are unlikely to blow the whistle

so it does nothing to argue if that play was legal or illegal. But such "illegal" play deemed by some here, is going to continue to happen with no whistles blown
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You realize this is a discussion board, right?
 
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Surrounded By Ahos said:
When did the nhl start employing four refs per game?


Regardless, nobody blew their whistle because they screwed up and missed the call. It happens. See the Duchene goal I posted on the last page.
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The refs make mistakes or miss calls...it is part of sports

Just be glad the NHL does not have joke like refereeing system like they do at the NBA
 
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rocketdan9 said:
If the rule was so blatantly broken, why didn't one of the 4 refs blow the whistle??
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Because they blew a call. If you watch the NHL on anything close to a regular basis, this isn’t a surprise.

If there is a rule in place and it can't be easily identified on the ice, then either the rule needs to be amended or refs retrained on the matter
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It WAS amended... for the 2017-18 season. This has been explained so many times I’ve lost count.

Montecristo said:
And sure I agree that the refs could have been able to extrapolate what had happened, but had krejci just batted the puck without closing his hand on it and it was batted to the spot where he had tossed it, would that have been illegal?
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It would still have been illegal, but not a penalty. There are two different arguments here, whether it was a “self pass” (stoppage) or a closed-hand play (2 minutes). Either way, though, it’s not a legal play.

If it’s not, In .2 seconds it’s tough to determine which scenario had happened regardless of the result. He had the puck for as long as a good 2nd basemen turning a double play.
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I don’t think anyone’s particularly outraged that they missed it... perhaps a bit surprised because it was fairly obvious in real time that he caught the puck and then threw it past the point man. It started with a pop-fly type puck, so it’s not like it was such a bang-bang sequence that the refs couldn’t have seen it. But they do still miss obvious calls in real time because it’s a complicated and fast moving game.

What’s keeping this thread going is people insisting in the face off all evidence that it was in fact a legal play.
 
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tarheelhockey said:
Because they blew a call. If you watch the NHL on anything close to a regular basis, this isn’t a surprise.



It WAS amended... for the 2017-18 season. This has been explained so many times I’ve lost count.



It would still have been illegal, but not a penalty. There are two different arguments here, whether it was a “self pass” (stoppage) or a closed-hand play (2 minutes). Either way, though, it’s not a legal play.



I don’t think anyone’s particularly outraged that they missed it... perhaps a bit surprised because it was fairly obvious in real time that he caught the puck and then threw it past the point man. It started with a pop-fly type puck, so it’s not like it was such a bang-bang sequence that the refs couldn’t have seen it. But they do still miss obvious calls in real time because it’s a complicated and fast moving game.

What’s keeping this thread going is people insisting in the face off all evidence that it was in fact a legal play.
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I feel like blown calls are more common than 3 goal comebacks with 12 minutes left for a regulation win
 
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tarheelhockey said:
Because they blew a call. If you watch the NHL on anything close to a regular basis, this isn’t a surprise.

What’s keeping this thread going is people insisting in the face off all evidence that it was in fact a legal play.
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who has said it was a legal play?

Maybe you are getting confused that people are not admitting it was legal vs they actually stated it was legal
 
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I can't really blame Krejci. He caught the puck right as the two Carolina fans in attendance yelled something, it spooked him and he ended up tossing the puck in front of him a bit. It happens.
 
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