Was Krejci's glove-down legal?

[supsens]

You’re just grasping at straws now, aren’t you?

You can’t pass the puck from your defensive zone to a player not in the defensive zone. If that’s the rule you’re trying to lean on to say it was okay, at the very least it should have been blown dead.

But really, this was a penalty because he didn’t immediately drop the puck to the ice. He tossed it.

Straws? Ok then who did he pass the puck to?

 

[Sojourn]

Is his foot not across the line in the defensive zone?
The frustrating part is you can gain an advantage if in the d zone it clearly states you can

The frustrating part here is that you’re leaning on a rule that doesn’t apply. You can hand pass in the D zone to another player. In the D zone. You can not hand pass it to a player outside the D zone.

And really, this doesn’t even matter. From the video, he grabs it from the air, pulls it into his body, and then tosses it forward past the defender. That’s a closing your hand on the puck penalty.

 

[Sojourn]

Straws? Ok then who did he pass the puck to?

See above.

You’re trying to say what he did was okay because he started in the D zone. Closing your hand on the puck applies in any zone.

But since you keep trying to bring up the D zone pass, you should realize that the rule only applies if it’s done in the D zone to a player in the D zone. If he had hand passed it to another player, and it squirted outside the D zone into an open area, a teammate can not legally skate into it and collect it. It would be blown dead as a hand pass.

You’re stubbornly sticking to a rule that isn’t applicable to this situation. It wasn’t a hand pass.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Is his foot not across the line in the defensive zone?
The frustrating part is you can gain an advantage if in the d zone it clearly states you can

The rule clearly states: The location of the puck when contacted by either the player making the hand pass or the player receiving the hand pass shall determine the zone it is in.

The location of the player's feet is irrelevant. You cannot throw the puck past a defender and across the entire neutral zone to gain an advantage. This could not be more clearly laid out, both in the rules and in the way they have always been applied.

One of the first "silly question" things that hockey newbies usually ask is, "can the players just throw the puck around?". The answer that is obviously "no", and this is the rule that makes it a no.

 

[supsens]

The rule clearly states: The location of the puck when contacted by either the player making the hand pass or the player receiving the hand pass shall determine the zone it is in.

The location of the player's feet is irrelevant. You cannot throw the puck past a defender and across the entire neutral zone to gain an advantage. This could not be more clearly laid out, both in the rules and in the way they have always been applied.

One of the first "silly question" things that hockey newbies usually ask is, "can the players just throw the puck around?". The answer that is obviously "no", and this is the rule that makes it a no.

He doesn’t pass the pick to anyone! It’s not a hand pass.
So you just proved my point. The location of the puck when he did it was where? Bammmm. Won and done
And yes you can use you hand to gain advantage in the defending zone. And so his feet do matter unless they don’t matter on offside calls.
That’s how you determine the zone he is in

 

[Sojourn]

The rule clearly states: The location of the puck when contacted by either the player making the hand pass or the player receiving the hand pass shall determine the zone it is in.

The location of the player's feet is irrelevant. You cannot throw the puck past a defender and across the entire neutral zone to gain an advantage. This could not be more clearly laid out, both in the rules and in the way they have always been applied.

One of the first "silly question" things that hockey newbies usually ask is, "can the players just throw the puck around?". The answer that is obviously "no", and this is the rule that makes it a no.

Maybe he didn’t ask?

 

[Sojourn]

He doesn’t pass the pick to anyone! It’s not a hand pass.

You’re right. It’s closing his hand on the puck.

A hand pass isn’t a penalty. It’s a play blown dead. This was a penalty.

 

[Beezeral]

The rule clearly states: The location of the puck when contacted by either the player making the hand pass or the player receiving the hand pass shall determine the zone it is in.

The location of the player's feet is irrelevant. You cannot throw the puck past a defender and across the entire neutral zone to gain an advantage. This could not be more clearly laid out, both in the rules and in the way they have always been applied.

One of the first "silly question" things that hockey newbies usually ask is, "can the players just throw the puck around?". The answer that is obviously "no", and this is the rule that makes it a no.

Lot of hockey newbies with thousands of posts on a Hockey forum ITT today.

 

[Sojourn]

And before you try to argue that he didn’t close his hand on the puck, it’s not needed. The rule is called that. It doesn’t mean it’s necessary. A player covering the puck on the ice with his glove is also closing his hand on the puck, even if he doesn’t close his hand.

In this case, he didn’t immediately place it on the ice, or knock it down. He pulled it into his body and tossed it forward gaining an advantage over an opposing player. Penalty. It’s pretty clear cut. The refs blew it. Isn’t the first time, and it won’t be the last.

 

[tarheelhockey]

He doesn’t pass the pick to anyone! It’s not a hand pass.
So you just proved my point. The location of the puck when he did it was where? Bammmm. Won and done
And yes you can use you hand to gain advantage in the defending zone. And so his feet do matter unless they don’t matter on offside calls.
That’s how you determine the zone he is in

So you're saying that this was legal because hand passes are OK in the defensive zone, even though hand passes are not OK if they proceed into the neutral zone, and even though the puck was thrown in the neutral zone, and according to the hand pass rule it's the location of the puck (not the skates) that counts, but that doesn't matter here because reasons?

This is a Chewbacca defense. Knock it off.

 

[Sojourn]

I had never heard that term before.

I was expecting something about arms and sockets.

 

[Jdavidev]

You’re right. It’s closing his hand on the puck.

A hand pass isn’t a penalty. It’s a play blown dead. This was a penalty.

Look, it should have been blown dead. It wasn't. I think the linesman would have blown it dead had he thought it was going to carry that far, but once he let it go, probably felt he didn't want to stop a scoring play. But it's not a penalty. Those other examples posted earlier are clear examples of holding on to the puck (not the Johansson play, which is quite similar to this and should be blown dead too). The stills clearly show him grabbing it at the blue line and dropping it right after the blue line. All perfectly fine. But the puck keeps going forward. If he had played it at the defenseman's feet it would have been fine too.

I think confusion comes from guys tossing the puck to their stick, especially on the power play in the o-zone all the time, and it's not an issue. This is only different because it of the distance away from him. Should have been blown dead.

 

[supsens]

Fine we can just admit me the rule book and the refs are right.
That’s all folks.
He didn’t carry the puck, he made a nice play
Too bad so sad
The still shot clearly shows the puck not in his had so ya and the rule states where he is not the puck

 

[Sojourn]

Fine we can just admit me the rule book and the refs are right.
That’s all folks.
He didn’t carry the puck, he made a nice play
Too bad so sad

By “we” is this you, you, and you? There is no other we saying you’re right.

 

[supsens]

By “we” is this you, you, and you? There is no other we saying you’re right.

Me the refs the score keepers and the nhl....

 

[Sojourn]

Me the refs the score keepers and the nhl....

So next time they get it wrong and it hurts your team, “we” can say that “we” were right and you were wrong. No matter what the evidence shows, or the rules say.

That’s your argument. A bad call confirms your opinion because it happened, and no one could have made a mistake if it happened.

I’m not sure you really thought that through.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I wonder what it's like to be such a homer that I literally couldn't admit my team got a break from the refs.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Me the refs the score keepers and the nhl....

Yeah, refs never blow calls

 

[Sojourn]

Yeah, refs never blow calls

Good call. The refs, the scorekeepers, and the NHL agree.

 

[supsens]

So next time they get it wrong and it hurts your team, “we” can say that “we” were right and you were wrong. No matter what the evidence shows, or the rules say.

That’s your argument. A bad call confirms your opinion because it happened, and no one could have made a mistake if it happened.

I’m not sure you really thought that through.

The rules as written say it was fine. Soooo ya

 

[Sojourn]

I still can’t believe that actually happened. Was the linesman checking someone out in the stands?

 

[Sojourn]

The rules as written say it was fine. Soooo ya

No, they don’t. You’ve just decided to interpret them in a way that says it was fine.

Anyone else with eyes can see it was a missed call.

 

[Montecristo]

The frustrating part here is that you’re leaning on a rule that doesn’t apply. You can hand pass in the D zone to another player. In the D zone. You can not hand pass it to a player outside the D zone.

And really, this doesn’t even matter. From the video, he grabs it from the air, pulls it into his body, and then tosses it forward past the defender. That’s a closing your hand on the puck penalty.

The real question to me is that in real time is it understandable that a play that unfolded as quickly as that one could be missed and called correctly by the ref.

I mean yes he did everything you accuse him of doing but it all unfolded in less than 2 tenths of a second

 

[Sojourn]

The real question to me is that in real time is it understandable that a play that unfolded as quickly as that one could be missed and called correctly by the ref.

I mean yes he did everything you accuse him of doing but it all unfolded in less than 2 tenths of a second

I mean, I agree it happened quickly, but this was one of those cases where the official should have been able to extrapolate what happened based on the result.

The puck was tossed past an opposing player, and the only way for that to happen is if he didn’t immediately place it on the ice. There was a clear advantage gained too, which also supports a call.

The refs are trained to make calls like this at real time. They obviously can’t always get it right, and I don’t think anyone is suggesting it’s realistic for that. Hell, the OP isn’t attacking them or anything. He asked if it was a legal play. The answer is no. It was a missed call, and it unfortunately lead to a goal. We’ve seen missed calls lead to goals before, so seeing it happen isn’t all that surprising, right? It still sucks.

 

[N o o d l e s]

If he threw the puck wouldn’t he have to have made a throwing motion?

He was moving pretty quickly when he, keyword, dropped the puck so it seemed to me like momentum carried it forward.

I can see it being similar to the Johanssen play but it seems to me like Johanssen legit carried it.