Was Krejci's glove-down legal?

[Jdavidev]

Y

And had enough speed on it to carry to the other blue line before krejci caught up to it. Hence the blue line to blue line comment. It’s amazing you refuse to admit he threw the puck.

Yes, I agree. He dropped the puck. Should have been blown dead. It wasn't.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

It's a penalty but that is a very, very hard one to spot unless the ref has him in his eyes at the exact right moment.

Hard to blame the refs for missing something like this.

 

[supsens]

You made this up. The rulebook doesn’t say any such thing.

Someone posted this

The rule clearly states: The location of the puck when contacted by either the player making the hand pass or the player receiving the hand pass shall determine the zone it is in.


So I assumed that it wasn’t made up. And I didn’t make it up someone else did I guess

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Not even close to legal. Can't believe the refs let that fly.

 

[Beezeral]

Y

Yes, I agree. He dropped the puck. Should have been blown dead. It wasn't.

Come on. Say it with me. “He threw the puck.” I know it’s scary, but you will feel better when you acknowledge the basic laws of physics.

 

[Montecristo]

Come on. Say it with me. “He threw the puck.” I know it’s scary, but you will feel better when you acknowledge the basic laws of physics.

How about we compromise and say “he flicked the puck” or he ladled the puck. Or he swung the puck.

When I hear that he threw the puck I go back to Sergei Samsonov circa 1999 when he picked up the puck from his knees in his own corner and hummed it all the way down the ice. That’s not what krejci did

 

[Jdavidev]

Come on. Say it with me. “He threw the puck.” I know it’s scary, but you will feel better when you acknowledge the basic laws of physics.

I know when I lift my hand up, palm down and let go of something, I consider myself dropping that thing.

 

[Beezeral]

How about we compromise and say “he flicked the puck” or he ladled the puck. Or he swung the puck.

When I hear that he threw the puck I go back to Sergei Samsonov circa 1999 when he picked up the puck from his knees in his own corner and hummed it all the way down the ice. That’s not what krejci did

That’s fine. We can use any term you want that isn’t “dropping” he puck or a synonym of that term. Because no matter what term we use, krejci didn’t drop the puck. He propelled it forward which is different then dropping the puck which is all krejci is allowed to do when he catches a puck out of mid-air.

 

[Beezeral]

@Jdavidev

drop
dräp/
verb
gerund or present participle: dropping

1. 1.
   let or make (something) fall vertically.
   "the fire was caused by someone dropping a lighted cigarette"
   

   synonyms:

   let fall, let go of, lose one's grip on; More release, unhand, relinquish "Eric dropped the box" put, place, deposit, set, lay, leave; informalpop, plonk "drop the gun on the ground"

   [TBODY] [/TBODY]
   
   throw
   THrō/
   verb
   1. 1.
      propel (something) with force through the air by a movement of the arm and hand.
      "I threw a brick through the window"
      

      synonyms:

      hurl, toss, fling, pitch, cast, lob, launch, catapult, project, propel; More

      [TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[supsens]

The rule states he can direct the puck to his advantage if he is in the d zone. It states it clearly twice.
It states the play will not be stopped for a hand pass in the d zone
Why is this ignored? What is the issue

 

[StarvinArvyn33]

looks borderline to me. I could see it either way. Similar to how late hits are counted, you should have a very short time limit on "handling" the puck, so you can make plays like this. It drives offense and creativity. just cant have ppl holding it for an advantage or to eat time off the clock.

 

[Jdavidev]

Listen, I, and several others have agreed that the play should of been blown dead. But I don't have to agree to your classification of it as a throw. Because throwing misrepresents what actually occurred. It sounds absurd. Throwing is what Pedro Martinez or Drew Brees do with baseballs and footballs respectively. He was moving. He had momentum. He let go of the puck. It went too far in front of him. Should have been a whistle. It wasn't.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Someone posted this

The rule clearly states: The location of the puck when contacted by either the player making the hand pass or the player receiving the hand pass shall determine the zone it is in.


So I assumed that it wasn’t made up. And I didn’t make it up someone else did I guess

Ok, and that rule flatly contradicts what you are saying. The location of the puck, not any part of the player, is what determines which zone it’s in. And we can very plainly see that the puck was in the neutral zone when it left Krejci’s glove.

 

[supsens]

67.1 Handling Puck - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials, he has deliberately directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage, in any zone other than the defending zone, in which case the play shall be stopped and a faceoff conducted (see Rule 79 – Hand Pass). Play will not be stopped for any hand pass by players in their own defending zone.


PLAY WILL NOT BE STOPPED FOR ANY HAND PASS BY PLAYERS IN THEIR OWN DEFENDING ZONE

IN ANY OTHER ZONE OTHER THEN THE DEFENDING ZONE

Twice it clearly states he can gain an advantage with the puck.

Read the entire sentence. Not half the rule

Then explain the rule where it says he can’t do that

 

[supsens]

Ok, and that rule flatly contradicts what you are saying. The location of the puck, not any part of the player, is what determines which zone it’s in. And we can very plainly see that the puck was in the neutral zone when it left Krejci’s glove.

After it left his glove. Show a picture of him with the puck where he has left the zone

 

[Beezeral]

Listen, I, and several others have agreed that the play should of been blown dead. But I don't have to agree to your classification of it as a throw. Because throwing misrepresents what actually occurred. It sounds absurd. Throwing is what Pedro Martinez or Drew Brees do with baseballs and footballs respectively. He was moving. He had momentum. He let go of the puck. It went too far in front of him. Should have been a whistle. It wasn't.

Because the laws of physics contradict you. An object dropped while the holder is in motion will only travel horizontally at the same speed as the person who was holding it at the time it was dropped. It is physically impossible for that dropped item to travel horizontally at a rate of speed faster than the holder. It requires horizontal force from the holder to propel the puck forward. If you don’t want to call it throwing, because you are confused at how the act of flicking your wrist forward fits the same definition of propelling something with force through the air by hand or arm as what Pedro or Brees do, that’s fine. Use any of the synonyms that work for you to make it easier to understand.

The term you CANT use is “drop” because the laws of physics dictate that what happened to the puck on that play is not possible if the object had been allowed to make or let fall vertically.

 

[tarheelhockey]

67.1 Handling Puck - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials, he has deliberately directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage, in any zone other than the defending zone, in which case the play shall be stopped and a faceoff conducted (see Rule 79 – Hand Pass). Play will not be stopped for any hand pass by players in their own defending zone.


PLAY WILL NOT BE STOPPED FOR ANY HAND PASS BY PLAYERS IN THEIR OWN DEFENDING ZONE

IN ANY OTHER ZONE OTHER THEN THE DEFENDING ZONE

Twice it clearly states he can gain an advantage with the puck.

Read the entire sentence. Not half the rule

Then explain the rule where it says he can’t do that

Why are you still going on about the defensive zone when this plainly occurred in the neutral zone according to the location of the puck at the time it was thrown?

 

[Beezeral]

After it left his glove

If what you say is allowed, why don’t we see defenders who grab a puck out of mid-air throw it down the ice while in their own zone on the PK?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

67.1 Handling Puck - A player shall be permitted to stop or “bat” a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the on-ice officials, he has deliberately directed the puck to a teammate, or has allowed his team to gain an advantage, in any zone other than the defending zone, in which case the play shall be stopped and a faceoff conducted (see Rule 79 – Hand Pass). Play will not be stopped for any hand pass by players in their own defending zone.


PLAY WILL NOT BE STOPPED FOR ANY HAND PASS BY PLAYERS IN THEIR OWN DEFENDING ZONE

IN ANY OTHER ZONE OTHER THEN THE DEFENDING ZONE

Twice it clearly states he can gain an advantage with the puck.

Read the entire sentence. Not half the rule

Then explain the rule where it says he can’t do that

Wasn't in the defending zone, was in the neutral zone,

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Because the laws of physics contradict you. An object dropped while the holder is in motion will only travel horizontally at the same speed as the person who was holding it at the time it was dropped. It is physically impossible for that dropped item to travel horizontally at a rate of speed faster than the holder. It requires horizontal force from the holder to propel the puck forward. If you don’t want to call it throwing, because you are confused at how the act of flicking your wrist forward fits the same definition of propelling something with force through the air by hand or arm as what Pedro or Brees do, that’s fine. Use any of the synonyms that work for you to make it easier to understand.

The term you CANT use is “drop” because the laws of physics dictate that what happened to the puck on that play is not possible if the object had been allowed to make or let fall vertically.

So then if Krejc slowed down for ANY reason, it would seem like the puck accelerated right?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

If what you say is allowed, why don’t we see defenders who grab a puck out of mid-air throw it down the ice while in their own zone on the PK?

Seen it plenty of times....you havent?

 

[supsens]

Why are you still going on about the defensive zone when this plainly occurred in the neutral zone according to the location of the puck at the time it was thrown?

The picture clearly showed the puck no longer in his possession and him still in the zone.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

The picture clearly showed the puck no longer in his possession and him still in the zone.

No, he's on the blue line entering the neutral zone, what you are arguing about is asinine.

You can not make a hand pass from d zone to n zone, it has to be d zone and CONTAINED in the dzone.

 

[rocketdan9]

Come on man. We never see pucks thrown like that.

yes we don't because

1) the lob/deflection to Krejci was fluky
2) There is usually some type of resistance mid ice/defensive zone to further prevent a player from advancing in this type of situation

Try to design 1) and 2) = bold statement by you above

In general its not something you need to worry about

 

[tarheelhockey]

The picture clearly showed the puck no longer in his possession and him still in the zone.

These pictures clearly show Krejci holding the puck until the puck is in the neutral zone.

You, yourself, just quoted the rule that specifically states that the location of the puck is what makes this an illegal self-pass.