Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[Dotter]

I'm a Walman fan, sad to see him go. Wish him the best.

Could this be relationship building with Grier with Future Considerations as-in "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"? Who knows, but SJS are in the West...

I don't know what FC means. This could be a SFY chess move.

There's no way Walman would have cleared waivers. Perhaps waiting for Walman to clear wasn't an option and needed to clear cap space now for an opportunity for something.

At the end of the day, Walman costs us free assets to acquire him, use him for almost 3 seasons, then sold him for, yet again, free assets (2nd acquired from the Gibson trade).

At the end of the day, Yzerman got him for free and traded away a 2nd that most likely won't give you 3 NHL season as good as Walman gave. Yzerman still wins with asset management.

 

[Realgud]

The cap has been stagnant for like 4 years. Every top 20 teams having cap issues. You still have to field a team which requires paying players and sometimes you make mistakes like holl

20 millions is tied to Copp, Fabbri, Chiarot, Holl and Petry. The cap can be as stagnant as it wants, that's not good cap management.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Gibson is a former 2nd, we traded him for another 2nd. That’s 1 for 1. then we got also a third round prospect. We then traded the 2nd we just received to get rid of Walman. That’s now two 2nd rounders out, plus Walman, while the only thing we kept was the former 3rd rounder. Explain how I’m bad at math again?

Because Gibson cost a second (to draft)

We dealt him and we got a second and Kiiskinnen.

So, we are now back at 0 picks used and Kiiskinnen

Then, we attach the second to Walman to trade him. 1 second round pick used.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Yzerman has completely lost his marbles.

Between this and the joke of a deadline I’m really starting to lose my trust in him, no matter how handsome he is

Lolol

 

[ricky0034]

It could be that Jake Walman was our worst defenceman defensively.

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Walman had the worst EVD (even-strength defence) number at both GAR and xGAR.

such a big turnaround from last year when those advanced stats cards kept saying that he deserved like 8 million dollars

 

[DoMakc]

It could be that Jake Walman was our worst defenceman defensively.

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Walman had the worst EVD (even-strength defence) number at both GAR and xGAR.

Yeah, and Mo Seider the second worst, worse than Holl

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Future Copp.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I don't get this. What's yzerman even doing? What's his vision for this team?

I'm preaching patience here. If Yzerman wanted to get rid of Walman just to get rid of him, then there's waivers. San Jose could have picked him up 1st.

Because we specifically packaged a 2nd rounder WITH Walman to San Jose makes me wonder who might be coming available on waivers soon, and if San Jose picks them up to trade them to Detroit. Could be Gibson? Trouba? Elvis?

Or what if a big name were being moved and that 2nd is what Detroit is paying San Jose as a facilitator to take on cap? What are some expensive players we could trade for and San Jose retains cap on?

 

[Euro Twins]

20 millions is tied to Copp, Fabbri, Chiarot, Holl and Petry. The cap can be as stagnant as it wants, that's not good cap management.

Agreed

 

[SirloinUB]

only 22 dmen scored more goals over the last two seasons.

 

[lhsgolf19]

This board has lost their damn minds... Over 230 responses in less than 2 hours

You guys are acting like we traded away Prime Lidstrom lol

 

[better Red than Dead]

only 22 dmen scored more goals over the last two seasons.

And yet no one wanted him without a sweetener added. Do you really think Yzerman is impulsive and emotional? I’m sure Walman was offered around and got no takers

 

[Frk It]

Hard to justify this move in a vacuum from an asset management perspective. I would have thought you could move Walman and get something back; and I’d argue if you had to add this much to move him then it’s not worth it.

My guess is it’s some GM justification taking place. “Because I did really good with the Gibson trade, I can use that pick to get rid of Walman, I didn’t even have that pick man hour ago”… or something along those lines.

I will wait to see if this opens up some other move for us, if not I’d say it’s a pretty dumb move to make.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I'm preaching patience here. If Yzerman wanted to get rid of Walman just to get rid of him, then there's waivers. San Jose could have picked him up 1st.

Because we specifically packaged a 2nd rounder WITH Walman to San Jose makes me wonder who might be coming available on waivers soon, and if San Jose picks them up to trade them to Detroit. Could be Gibson? Trouba? Elvis?

Or what if a big name were being moved and that 2nd is what Detroit is paying San Jose as a facilitator to take on cap? What are some expensive players we could trade for and San Jose retains cap on?

Isn't there a period where you can't trade a player you got off waivers?

Or did I make that up in my head?

The retention angle is a decent idea, maybe Yzerman opened up a cap savings account for when he needs it?

 

[Man Purse]

Using 2 2nds to move our likely 3rd or 4th best defenseman while we are still stuck with holl and petry and you guys still won’t eat crow on this issue. Hilarious. If this gets us Roy or somehow theodore or some other name it will be worth it but until then this is looking terrible.

I had more points than Walman for less $$ and no PP time Coach

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

This board has lost their damn minds... Over 230 responses in less than 2 hours

You guys are acting like we traded away Prime Lidstrom lol

It's the summer. We're bored.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I don't get why Detroit couldn't have put Walman on waivers. San Jose would have first crack at him.

Is there another guy going on waivers soon that San Jose will claim and trade to Detroit for future considerations? That's really the only thing I can think of. Otherwise this was just a dumb f***ing trade.

I am with you. If you want him gone for off-ice issues, simply waive him (unless we are in some window in which players cannot be waived). If he clears, you can always package him with a pick later.

 

[Shaman464]

This makes no sense. His cap hit is low and he is better then most of the warm bodies and he should have been able to been able to be movies without a high value pick attached to him. There is very little that could make this make sense unless this is the first part of a three team deal?

 

[dragonballgtz]

This board has lost their damn minds... Over 230 responses in less than 2 hours

You guys are acting like we traded away Prime Lidstrom lol

It's something new to talk about. Also considering we still have Holl and Petry on our team this move brings up questions.

 

[SirloinUB]

And yet no one wanted him without a sweetener added. Do you really think Yzerman is impulsive and emotional? I’m sure Walman was offered around and got no takers

Generally speaking I am of the belief that Yzerman does his due diligence but this move is hard to wrap my head around.

He had faults but I didn’t thing of him as a negative value piece. It’s hard to see how a productive dman on a decent contract was so poorly viewed across the league.

 

[Henkka]

only 22 dmen scored more goals over the last two seasons.

Gostisbehere was one of them.

And also scored 58 more points.

 

[Winger98]

Hard to justify this move in a vacuum from an asset management perspective. I would have thought you could move Walman and get something back; and I’d argue if you had to add this much to move him then it’s not worth it.

My guess is it’s some GM justification taking place. “Because I did really good with the Gibson trade, I can use that pick to get rid of Walman, I didn’t even have that pick man hour ago”… or something along those lines.

I will wait to see if this opens up some other move for us, if not I’d say it’s a pretty dumb move to make.

I thought it looked like the GIbson move was made in part to acquire the draft capital to move Walman. If we aren't moving Walman I am not sure we're moving Gibson.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I am with you. If you want him gone for off-ice issues, simply waive him (unless we are in some window in which players cannot be waived). If he clears, you can always package him with a pick later.

 

[ShelbyZ]

I'm preaching patience here. If Yzerman wanted to get rid of Walman just to get rid of him, then there's waivers. San Jose could have picked him up 1st.

Because we specifically packaged a 2nd rounder WITH Walman to San Jose makes me wonder who might be coming available on waivers soon, and if San Jose picks them up to trade them to Detroit. Could be Gibson? Trouba? Elvis?

Or what if a big name were being moved and that 2nd is what Detroit is paying San Jose as a facilitator to take on cap? What are some expensive players we could trade for and San Jose retains cap on?

Thing is, the whole Goodrow on standard waivers thing was kind of an outlier. Most guys going on waivers over the next couple days will be for the sake of a buyout.

Wouldn't it make more sense to try to sign them as UFA's after they get bought out rather than pay decent assets to leverage the Sharks ability to have first priority to absorb any bad contract that goes across the wire?

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Unless this is a precursor to something bigger this makes zero sense to me.

Also even if it is, you're telling me Walman has negative value? Like couldn't even fetch a 7th? His contract isn't bad.