W Beckett Sennecke - Oshawa Generals, OHL (2024, 3rd, ANA)

[Pavel Buchnevich]

HF scouts laughed everytime the Ducks "reached" for the big late riser

Lindholm, McTavish, Carlsson and now Sennecke

Has worked out every time so far. We'll see about Sennecke but his upside is immense.

Isn’t it a little early to say one year later that a player worked out? Not like Carlsson absolutely lit up the league.

Don’t disagree with the other two examples, to be clear.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Beckett Sennecke, qualified for the OHL 1/2 Final page 2, player completely ignored

Beckett Sennecke after a few more matches, page 23, most highlighted player.

Even though it's the same guy, with the same level

This is what I come back to with Sennecke.

He wasn’t likely to be a first round pick halfway through the season, Ritchie who is probably the best player in the OHL returns from injury, is on a line with Sennecke, his totals shoot up during the regular season and playoffs, and he makes it up to #3.

I was wrong about some Anaheim picks in the past. I did not like McTavish. That worked out. I’m not going to say I know more than them, but his statistics would seriously worry me for a 3OA. You can’t absolutely flop on that pick and picking a player who had the red flags he did suggests that’s what you might get. It seems like a real “shot in the dark” pick. It could work out, but I think it’s way too risky. I don’t see how the theoretical upside justifies it either. People talk about him like he’s a unicorn. Is he? He’s not 6’10 with amazing puck skills. If it works out you’ll get roughly Matt Boldy. If he works out, maybe you get the third best player in the draft. If it doesn’t, can he keep a regular NHL spot? This was a player talked about as second round until Ritchie returned to the lineup.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

This is what I come back to with Sennecke.

He wasn’t likely to be a first round pick halfway through the season, Ritchie who is probably the best player in the OHL returns from injury, is on a line with Sennecke, his totals shoot up during the regular season and playoffs, and he makes it up to #3.

I was wrong about some Anaheim picks in the past. I did not like McTavish. That worked out. I’m not going to say I know more than them, but his statistics would seriously worry me for a 3OA. You can’t absolutely flop on that pick and picking a player who had the red flags he did suggests that’s what you might get. It seems like a real “shot in the dark” pick. It could work out, but I think it’s way too risky. I don’t see how the theoretical upside justifies it either. People talk about him like he’s a unicorn. Is he? He’s not 6’10 with amazing puck skills. If it works out you’ll get roughly Matt Boldy. If he works out, maybe you get the third best player in the draft. If it doesn’t, can he keep a regular NHL spot? This was a player talked about as second round until Ritchie returned to the lineup.

I'm a lot less hot on Ryder Ritchie than you are. McTavish was a top 10 for me and it was a year where information was missing from the general public. But Sennecke didn't change level because he was selected No. 3, that's obvious.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I'm a lot less hot on Ryder Ritchie than you are. McTavish was a top 10 for me and it was a year where information was missing from the general public. But Sennecke didn't change level because he was selected No. 3, that's obvious.

Calum Ritchie. His line-mate with Oshawa.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

This is what I come back to with Sennecke.

He wasn’t likely to be a first round pick halfway through the season, Ritchie who is probably the best player in the OHL returns from injury, is on a line with Sennecke, his totals shoot up during the regular season and playoffs, and he makes it up to #3.

I was wrong about some Anaheim picks in the past. I did not like McTavish. That worked out. I’m not going to say I know more than them, but his statistics would seriously worry me for a 3OA. You can’t absolutely flop on that pick and picking a player who had the red flags he did suggests that’s what you might get. It seems like a real “shot in the dark” pick. It could work out, but I think it’s way too risky. I don’t see how the theoretical upside justifies it either. People talk about him like he’s a unicorn. Is he? He’s not 6’10 with amazing puck skills. If it works out you’ll get roughly Matt Boldy. If he works out, maybe you get the third best player in the draft. If it doesn’t, can he keep a regular NHL spot? This was a player talked about as second round until Ritchie returned to the lineup.

So he’s a potential nice compliment piece?

Anaheim has good young centers in zegras carlsson, mctavish and gauthier we need compliments to them.

After watching more of sennecke and seeing him at prospect camp, I’ve warmed up to him more(Buium is the guy I wanted, well levshunov but I figured he wouldn’t be there at 3).

Is it a gamble pick for sure but there is obvious potential in sennecke…. And a ton of room to add muscle/mass to his frame. Would be interesting to see who else we were discussing

Anaheim was never taking a Russian, for better or worse we don’t use high picks on Russians…. I imagine buium was pretty intriguing for us, but LHD we are very deep on.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

You would think Habs fans would be better about it after hearing all the brain dead takes about michkov and rein for the last year

Could still end up looking very poor if Michkov delivers ; so not sure how you can claim those views as brain dead at this juncture

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Calum Ritchie. His line-mate with Oshawa.

Shame on me. My brain didn't even react.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Isn’t it a little early to say one year later that a player worked out? Not like Carlsson absolutely lit up the league.

Don’t disagree with the other two examples, to be clear.

He impressed me a lot more than Fantilli, who HF seemed to think was a tier above Carlsson was a prospect at the time of the draft.

It's not proven beyond a doubt, but I don't think the Ducks are regretting going Carlsson @ 2.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So he’s a potential nice compliment piece?

Anaheim has good young centers in zegras carlsson, mctavish and gauthier we need compliments to them.

After watching more of sennecke and seeing him at prospect camp, I’ve warmed up to him more(Buium is the guy I wanted, well levshunov but I figured he wouldn’t be there at 3).

Is it a gamble pick for sure but there is obvious potential in sennecke…. And a ton of room to add muscle/mass to his frame. Would be interesting to see who else we were discussing

Anaheim was never taking a Russian, for better or worse we don’t use high picks on Russians…. I imagine buium was pretty intriguing for us, but LHD we are very deep on.

With draft picks you have to combine what the ceiling and floor is. Theoretically, Silayev could grow another two inches, improve his puck skills, and then you have a literal taller and probably better version of Chara. But how likely is that? There's a reason he went where he did. If you think you're getting Chara, you take him first. But he may just be Jamie Oleksiak, which is why he goes 10th.

With the pick Anaheim made, there's a ceiling on Sennecke there that's probably pretty good. But can't you say the same for whoever was picked 10th or 15th? I think to not think about the downside with Sennecke is setting yourself up for trouble.

The pick could work out. I don't know, but I think Anaheim fans should at least not feel very confident about how it'll work out, even if they might trust the scouting team and have convinced themselves more and more about what Sennecke could be.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

This is what I come back to with Sennecke.

He wasn’t likely to be a first round pick halfway through the season, Ritchie who is probably the best player in the OHL returns from injury, is on a line with Sennecke, his totals shoot up during the regular season and playoffs, and he makes it up to #3.

I was wrong about some Anaheim picks in the past. I did not like McTavish. That worked out. I’m not going to say I know more than them, but his statistics would seriously worry me for a 3OA. You can’t absolutely flop on that pick and picking a player who had the red flags he did suggests that’s what you might get. It seems like a real “shot in the dark” pick. It could work out, but I think it’s way too risky. I don’t see how the theoretical upside justifies it either. People talk about him like he’s a unicorn. Is he? He’s not 6’10 with amazing puck skills. If it works out you’ll get roughly Matt Boldy. If he works out, maybe you get the third best player in the draft. If it doesn’t, can he keep a regular NHL spot? This was a player talked about as second round until Ritchie returned to the lineup.

He was one of 4 HMs (only a list of 15) for B. McKenzie pre-season ranking in September.

Ranked 14th by Hp.com in November

Ranked 19th in January by McKenzie.

17th by HP.com in January.

Not seeing how he was remotely considered a 2nd rounder by reputable outlets.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Could still end up looking very poor if Michkov delivers ; so not sure how you can claim those views as brain dead at this juncture

Just because an opinion ends up being correct in hindsight does not mean its not a brain dead take.

Speaking in absolutes about 18 year old kids who haven't played a single game for the team that drafted them is a brain dead take.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Just because an opinion ends up being correct in hindsight does not mean its not a brain dead take.

Speaking in absolutes about 18 year old kids who haven't played a single game for the team that drafted them is a brain dead take.

If it ends up being the correct take how Is it brain dead ? Many prefer the upside of Michkov . Not sure what’s so controversial about this opinion

 

[Frank Drebin]

If it ends up being the correct take how Is it brain dead ?

Its fine to prefer the upside of Michkov.

Saying things like Montreal made a huge mistake, before either player plays a game in the NHL, is dumb. How could one possibly know this right now? You'd be speaking out of your ass, which is a dumb take.

Whats even dumber, is singling Reinbacher and Montreal out. If Michkov is the player his fans think that he will be there are 4, possibly 5 other teams that also made huge mistakes.

But anyways, this is a thread about the Ducks and Sennecke.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

With draft picks you have to combine what the ceiling and floor is. Theoretically, Silayev could grow another two inches, improve his puck skills, and then you have a literal taller and probably better version of Chara. But how likely is that? There's a reason he went where he did. If you think you're getting Chara, you take him first. But he may just be Jamie Oleksiak, which is why he goes 10th.

With the pick Anaheim made, there's a ceiling on Sennecke there that's probably pretty good. But can't you say the same for whoever was picked 10th or 15th? I think to not think about the downside with Sennecke is setting yourself up for trouble.

The pick could work out. I don't know, but I think Anaheim fans should at least not feel very confident about how it'll work out, even if they might trust the scouting team and have convinced themselves more and more about what Sennecke could be.

Silayev again was a russian in russia, i dont know that he was realistically an option for us.

I think realistically if we werent taking Demidov, whoever we picked wed be asking the same questions.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Silayev again was a russian in russia, i dont know that he was realistically an option for us.

I think realistically if we werent taking Demidov, whoever we picked wed be asking the same questions.

I'm not even saying the Ducks should've considered Silayev, I'm just using that as a hypothetical example of where you can't only look at upside. There is potential downside to picks also.

There was probably more downside with Sennecke than any pick in the top 10 because he was a very late riser based on upside and some better late season stats. What happens if he doesn't reach his upside and he's closer to the player he was the first half of the season? Well then, you have a second round level prospect and one that may not end up a regular NHL'er. I think that potential outcome is hard to justify with the third pick, which is why I think it was too high of a range for him, but time will tell if the Ducks hit on the pick or not.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I'm not even saying the Ducks should've considered Silayev, I'm just using that as a hypothetical example of where you can't only look at upside. There is potential downside to picks also.

There was probably more downside with Sennecke than any pick in the top 10 because he was a very late riser based on upside and some better late season stats. What happens if he doesn't reach his upside and he's closer to the player he was the first half of the season? Well then, you have a second round level prospect and one that may not end up a regular NHL'er. I think that potential outcome is hard to justify with the third pick, which is why I think it was too high of a range for him, but time will tell if the Ducks hit on the pick or not.

Which is fair and i think most duck fans agree, i think madden(might have been PV) even said something on the lines of being in a position to swing for a homerun... which to me says they understand there was risk on the pick.

 

[57special]

The only way the Sennecke pick makes sense is if he progresses much more than a normal top pick over the next 3-4 years, both physically and skill wise.

He is not a guy who is going to be coming into the league and competing for the Calder in the next two years.

 

[JonathnTaylorTavares]

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[Zegs2sendhelp]

The only way the Sennecke pick makes sense is if he progresses much more than a normal top pick over the next 3-4 years, both physically and skill wise.

He is not a guy who is going to be coming into the league and competing for the Calder in the next two years.

Which is fair, and Anaheim was on record saying that they weren’t looking for a guy that was the best now, they were looking for a guy that will be the best in 4-5 years.

But yes it was a bit of a risky pick, and we really won’t know how good this pick is for 2+ years

 

[Leonardo87]

Folks, stop the bickering and off-topic stuff. Thanks.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Folks, stop the bickering and off-topic stuff. Thanks.

Uh oh, now you’ve all done it…. Leo is here

 

[frontsfan67]

The only way the Sennecke pick makes sense is if he progresses much more than a normal top pick over the next 3-4 years, both physically and skill wise.

He is not a guy who is going to be coming into the league and competing for the Calder in the next two years.

He is a project pick. In 3-4 years he will 100% be one of the best from this draft unless he deals with injuries (knock on wood)

Is it a reach at 3?

Yeah I think so but the problem is too many people on here think just cause they go 2/3/4/5 that they’re automatically going to play for their team this coming season and with sennecke- he’s good now don’t get me wrong- but in 2 years he will be so much better and has a lot of tools that will make him successful at the NHL level. Also a great- hard working kid.

Besides the ducks aren’t competing anytime soon- they have a loaded pool and in 3-4 years they’ll start to be a playoff team again- and that’s when sennecke should be making the jump to the nhl starting his ELC(contract doesn’t start until you play a certain amount of nhl/ahl games I believe and because of CHL/NHL agreement he can’t play in the AHL for 2 more seasons.

 

[Leonardo87]

Uh oh, now you’ve all done it…. Leo is here

 

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[KevSkillz4]

I really like his profile. I think we need to respect Martin Madden. He is very good at drafting.

I think, he can be the most impactfull forward with Celebrini, Demidov and Iginla in this year draft.