Coach Discussion: Warsofsky

[matt trick]

I don't blame Warso. I think Grier was optimistic thinking we'd be out of the bottom 5. However, with Blackwood 6th may have been possible. With Georgiev and the team is a clear bottom 2. Remove Granlund and Ceci for 27 games (which means 45 games with a single top six center). Add in injuries to Wennberg, Sturm, and Kovalenko and an already shallow team becomes horribad. That's not on Warso. With Blackwood+Vanny/Askarov we'd take a big step. Reality is, the most important thing other than Celebrini's development is another franchise cornerstone, best found top 5 (meaning bottom 3 finish)

We're going to have a hell of a time overhauling the defense. Increasing cap, high taxes, and a league wide lack of middle six/top 4 talent on a bad team is a going to make it difficult to significant improve. How many teams do you see selling off and actively getting worse? Most UFAs can be retained. Those who don't will be chasing dollar signs.

My ideal offseason is signing Ehlers, Gavrikov, a vet goalie Speer likes, and a guy like Jake Evans/Tanev and replicating Utah's Marino trade (2 2nds for a 2nd pair RHD), while flipping Ferraro and Kunin for picks at the deadline or draft (Ferraro). My bet is only one of Gavrikov, Ekblad, Provorov, and Kovacevic makes it to UFA. Those that do will have 10+ suitors. 8 of them will be better teams, and 7 will have better tax situations. If we can flip both Dallas 1st and SJ 2nd for top 4 guys (or get a guy like Byram) that'd be awesome, but I'll be content with one such move.

I'd guess they cost us:
Ehlers- $9-10M (7 years)
Gavrikov- $7.5M (6-7 years)
Tanev- $4.5M (2 years)
Allen- $4M (also wouldn't hate Jarry+NYR 1st for DAL 1st...)

Ehlers-Celebrini-Tofolli
Eklund-Smith-Zetts
Tanev-Wennberg-Graf
Kovalenko-Goody-Delly
Grundstrom

Walman-Gavrikov
Muk-Top 4 Trade
Thrun-Liljigren

Spoiler alert, even with a good offseason this team is likely to finish bottom five. It's at that point Grier's seat will begin to warm. He's competitive, so I have no doubt he'll do everything he can to get out of the bottom five, I just don't think the UFA market, prospect readiness, and trade opportunities will allow it.

 

[coooldude]

With the long break for Four Nations, they need to seriously consider just canning this dude. Ride it out w/ one of the other useless coaches the rest of the way. Wouldn't be any worse or better. But it would send a message, that this play is unacceptable. I'm not sure what anyone expected, seeing as this is the clown who coached the DEFENSEMAN last year and seemed to fail upwards. But he knows nothing about possession hockey. He continues to ice horrific plugs that get their ass kicked every night. Like I mentioned w/ the Nashville game, he honestly believes his little Kunin/Goodrow line is some "stopper line" because they "grind it out on da boards". Seriously, this is just an embarrassment. It was a mistake hire. It was probably a mistake to can Quinn when you gave him Justin Bailey and Mike Hoffman in the top 9. But David Quinn is laughing his arse off right now. Mistakes happen. It's not the end of the world. But you need to send a message to not only the fans, who pay a LOT OF MONEY to go watch this dishonest CRAP. But more importantly, you need to show the young talent on the team that this will NOT BE TOLERATED. Or else they will just bolt for FA as soon as they can.

THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!

 

[Pinkfloyd]

You are right that Thrun is "next man up", but that role also allows him to have 100+ NHL games under his belt compared to Shakir's 16, when it should be the other way around. You can do all the mental gymnastics all you want. The team is in desperate need for better on ice play, and they continue to place the inferior player higher on the pecking order. They also do this w/ the absolutely useless, embarrassing bottom 6 forwards(Line 3 and Line 4 tonight were a combined -4, LOL) but wait I'm sorry I'm being too insulting and I need to be nicer to these absolute clowns who embarrass the people who PAY TO GO TO THE GAMES. And it is NOT CHEAP EITHER. Seriously, watch the Goodrow "shift" on the last goal, or was it goal 7. Does it even matter?

You want sunshine and rainbows? You want to make excuse after excuse for this braindead coach and roster strategy? Be my guest. But I'm not going to tone it down, because this is a freaking laughing stock. Luke FREAKING KUNIN continues to get PP2 time. And then fans like you expect fans like me to just go "oh...its okay.....we need Schaefer anyway, tee hee"

Get freaking serious dude.

If you think this team doesn’t need someone like Schaefer, it’s you who needs to get serious. The team was going to be bad because we didn’t have talent that we need to build around to compete and the draft is where the Sharks will get most of that talent. You laying all that on the coach is simply a poor way to evaluate the team’s situation currently.

Transitioning to a new and younger team identity doesn’t happen overnight and comes with seasons like this where bad players play while younger players develop.

You don’t have to like it but you should probably take your fair weather attitude elsewhere because it’s largely inaccurate and unproductive. If you want to be loudly wrong, you can’t be stopped but you’re only embarrassing yourself.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

Not happening.

I don’t think so either, but they should. This guy is the worst coach in NHL history. How did he GET THIS JOB

Quite a remarkable achievement considering he's been a head coach for less than 60 games.

Yeah, he’s going to finish w/ a worse record than David Quinn despite having a roster w/ Celebrini, Toffoli, Walman, Liljegren, Wennberg, and young d men that are better than the Jacob MacDonald types of last year(besides Thrun). He has absolutely zero knowledge of hockey. We can see this w/ his postgame answers when all he can say is “durrrrr….poor puck play!”.

If you ice Kunin on the penalty kill more often than Wennberg, and treat Kunin and Badrow as your “defensive stopper” line…you just don’t have a clue.

 

[coooldude]

I don’t think so either, but they should. This guy is the worst coach in NHL history. How did he GET THIS JOB

Yeah, he’s going to finish w/ a worse record than David Quinn despite having a roster w/ Celebrini, Toffoli, Walman, Liljegren, Wennberg, and young d men that are better than the Jacob MacDonald types of last year(besides Thrun). He has absolutely zero knowledge of hockey. We can see this w/ his postgame answers when all he can say is “durrrrr….poor puck play!”.

If you ice Kunin on the penalty kill more often than Wennberg, and treat Kunin and Badrow as your “defensive stopper” line…you just don’t have a clue.

PUT MY SON IN THE GAME!!!!!

 

[HockeyScout1425]

Grier needs to trade all of Warsofsky’s favourite toys - Ferraro, Kunin, Thrun, Dellandrea, and then tell Goodrow not to report and buy him out when the window opens.

I would just waive Kunin, Grubdstrom, Dellandrea, and Badrow tomorrow. Send them down, call up Bordeleau, Cardwell, Bystedt and Robins. Literally cannot be any worse, and it sends a message that loafing low effort crap play will not be tolerated. The Celebrini/Eklund line is the only line doing anything and it’s not fair to those guys. And I don’t give a damn about the stupid ass AHL playoffs.

 

[HockeyScout1425]

PUT MY SON IN THE GAME!!!!!

That’s not the energy at all. The bottom 6 is far and away the worst in the league, and Henry Thrun is not an NHL player. You can’t just tank every season. Nobody expected playoffs, but they should have been a 25 win team this year, and there should have been a foundation built. Instead, the bottom 6 plugs continue to play embarrassing hockey every game and there’s no changes made. You can’t keep memeing me, but if you don’t think this is wearing on guys like Macklin and Will, you’re naive about it.

 

[TheBeard]

I would just waive Kunin, Grubdstrom, Dellandrea, and Badrow tomorrow. Send them down, call up Bordeleau, Cardwell, Bystedt and Robins. Literally cannot be any worse, and it sends a message that loafing low effort crap play will not be tolerated. The Celebrini/Eklund line is the only line doing anything and it’s not fair to those guys. And I don’t give a damn about the stupid ass AHL playoffs.

For what point? What's gonna be salvaged this year? At least let the kids get some playoff hockey under their belts even if it's at the A.

 

[Hodge]

For what point? What's gonna be salvaged this year? At least let the kids get some playoff hockey under their belts even if it's at the A.

More importantly, none of "the kids" would be faring better in a bottom six NHL role than Goodrow or Kunin or Dellandrea.

 

[karltonian]

Who is this guy? He finna out-hodge hodge

 

[Lebanezer]

More importantly, none of "the kids" would be faring better in a bottom six NHL role than Goodrow or Kunin or Dellandrea.

I agree with your point except for with Goodrow. He has been the worst forward in the NHL this year. I think Cardwell could play in that role and gain valuable experience and be better.

 

[Star Platinum]

Grier needs to trade all of Warsofsky’s favourite toys - Ferraro, Kunin, Thrun, Dellandrea, and then tell Goodrow not to report and buy him out when the window opens.

I'm not the world's biggest Warsofsky fan, but he has to play somebody and if there's a bunch of bums on this roster (and there are), Grier is the one who gave him those bums.

Sadly, Grundstrom and Dellandrea will probably be back next year as they are both under contract for another year and we all know about Goodrow. Sturm and Kunin are the two opportunities to upgrade the forward slots and if there's an opportunity to trade either, we should take whatever we can get.

Grier needs to overhaul the defense this offseason. IMO, we need at least three brand new veteran defenders that are better than what we've iced this year.

 

[Star Platinum]

Who is this guy? He finna out-hodge hodge

Late entrant into the Sharks HFBoards Calder Trophy for most promising rookie poster race.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'm not the world's biggest Warsofsky fan, but he has to play somebody and if there's a bunch of bums on this roster (and there are), Grier is the one who gave him those bums.

Sadly, Grundstrom and Dellandrea will probably be back next year as they are both under contract for another year and we all know about Goodrow. Sturm and Kunin are the two opportunities to upgrade the forward slots and if there's an opportunity to trade either, we should take whatever we can get.

Grier needs to overhaul the defense this offseason. IMO, we need at least three brand new veteran defenders that are better than what we've iced this year.

Grundstrom and Dellandrea can be traded with one year left. Chances are that any blue line acquisitions outside of the draft will have at least one or two trades made that could include those forwards. Goodrow probably can only be traded if we’re taking a worse contract back like Jarry. I’d rather just buy him out and let Cardwell be a 4th liner next season.

 

[Star Platinum]

Grundstrom and Dellandrea can be traded with one year left.

They can, but who is going to want them and what would we get back? I don't want to repeat the Kyle Burroughs trade. Any blue line acquisitions we make are going to involve picks, not these guys.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

Who is this guy? He finna out-hodge hodge

i thought hodgey got banned and had to make a burner.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

They can, but who is going to want them and what would we get back? I don't want to repeat the Kyle Burroughs trade. Any blue line acquisitions we make are going to involve picks, not these guys.

It’s likely to involve both picks and these guys. Teams will take a cheap contract back for guys that are more expensive than the two we’re talking about. Dellandrea is also a guy that they should be fine with keeping. Grundstrom not so much.

 

[Jargon]

Lazy: turning “good” to “bad” for badrow

Inspired: working against expectation and instead changing “row” to “float” for Barclay Goodfloat

Subversive: changing every part of the name for optimal chaos for drinkdirt badfloat

 

[matt trick]

Lazy: turning “good” to “bad” for badrow

Inspired: working against expectation and instead changing “row” to “float” for Barclay Goodfloat

Subversive: changing every part of the name for optimal chaos for drinkdirt badfloat

I think this post has somehow got us more on track.

 

[Hodge]

Lazy: turning “good” to “bad” for badrow

Inspired: working against expectation and instead changing “row” to “float” for Barclay Goodfloat

Subversive: changing every part of the name for optimal chaos for drinkdirt badfloat

Bear Stearns Goodrow because he doesn't deserve to be named after a bank that's still in business.

 

[Jargon]

I think this post has somehow got us more on track.

warandpeaceofsky

 

[Star Platinum]

warandpeaceofsky

Wargoodgodyallwhatisitgoodforabsolutelynothingsayitagainofsky

 

[coooldude]

That’s not the energy at all. The bottom 6 is far and away the worst in the league, and Henry Thrun is not an NHL player. You can’t just tank every season. Nobody expected playoffs, but they should have been a 25 win team this year, and there should have been a foundation built. Instead, the bottom 6 plugs continue to play embarrassing hockey every game and there’s no changes made. You can’t keep memeing me, but if you don’t think this is wearing on guys like Macklin and Will, you’re naive about it.

Dude, you're on a multi-post unhinged anti warsofsky rant where you're claiming he has zero hockey knowledge and is the worst coach in the history of the NHL. I get that you're big mad about the bad performances, and none of us want to be Buffalo or tank forever, but you gotta temper your own hate, or if you won't, you're gonna get some push back.

Given the histrionics I didn't think a reasoned post was worth it, and anyway I've already said my piece earlier in this thread.

Get yourself ready for another tough year next year, by the way. With an incredible off-season, Grier (and hell, the ghost of Scotty Bowman) could maybe have us out of the bottom 5 next year.

 

[DG93]

Dude, you're on a multi-post unhinged anti warsofsky rant where you're claiming he has zero hockey knowledge and is the worst coach in the history of the NHL. I get that you're big mad about the bad performances, and none of us want to be Buffalo or tank forever, but you gotta temper your own hate, or if you won't, you're gonna get some push back.

Given the histrionics I didn't think a reasoned post was worth it, and anyway I've already said my piece earlier in this thread.

Get yourself ready for another tough year next year, by the way. With an incredible off-season, Grier (and hell, the ghost of Scotty Bowman) could maybe have us out of the bottom 5 next year.

Yep, and maybe you're pushing for a wildcard in 2026-2027 if everything goes well. In reality, the real contention window for this team if built and developed appropriately is the 2030s.

 

[tiburon12]

I don’t think so either, but they should. This guy is the worst coach in NHL history. How did he GET THIS JOB?

Hyperbole: the destroyer of a good argument.