W Beckett Sennecke - Oshawa Generals, OHL (2024, 3rd, ANA)

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Beckett Sennecke, qualified for the OHL 1/2 Final page 2, player completely ignored

Beckett Sennecke after a few more matches, page 23, most highlighted player.

Even though it's the same guy, with the same level

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Of course he could be. Nowhere did I argue against that. The only thing I took exception to was the other guy calling Celebrini and Demidov finished products.

I’m not even sure why you quoted my post when I disagree with nothing you’ve said as it pertains to Sennecke.

I explained that earlier, that he was prob speaking specifically about physical attributes, and it wasn’t fair to call it an idiotic take when it is a rational take(specifically talking about body mass/size).

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

You’re speaking for him and making assumptions. He never specified nor was it overtly clear he was talking about his physical attributes. It wasn’t even implied. He simply said Sennecke was eary in his developmental curve.

As if the other two aren’t… It’s clear this is a futile argument as you’ve assumed to know what the other dude meant and are arguing for the sake of it.

And then I explained how that can be true too

welcome to the world of public forums

There is a Demidov thread, Montreal fans are aware of this correct?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Again, I agreed that Sennecke was a late bloomer and had loads of untapped potential. The problem is assuming other 18-year-olds don’t, which is what the other guy did. And no, he never specified he was only speaking about physical tools.

You replied to me, and kept the argument going with your straw man arguments. So stop with the sassy attitude.

You came into the thread with a bad attitude becuase you didn’t agree with another posters opinion

I wouldn’t have responded to you either

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

 

[Static]

Beckett Sennecke, qualified for the OHL 1/2 Final page 2, player completely ignored

Beckett Sennecke after a few more matches, page 23, most highlighted player.

Even though it's the same guy, with the same level

Then stop highlighting him? Why are you in here?

 

[Terry Yake]

you'd think habs fans wouldn't give two shits about sennecke or anyone else they didn't draft with their 1st pick considering they got "their guy," but here we are

says a lot about who some of them really wanted

 

[Garbageyuk]

you'd think habs fans wouldn't give two shits about sennecke or anyone else they didn't draft with their 1st pick considering they got "their guy," but here we are

says a lot about who some of them really wanted

It’s because many sources had the Habs possibly taking him, and a lot of us didn’t want him. I wouldn’t have took him in the top 15.

Tell me what he’s done to be regarded above guys like the following, other than ANA reaching for him:

•Greentree
•Connelly
•Hage
•Luchanko
•Boisvert

The Ducks reached massively for a guy who isn’t really better than any of the above. The pick is reminiscent of Kotkaniemi (MTL, ‘18), Hayton (ARI, ‘18), and Thomas Hickey (LA, ‘07).

 

[Terry Yake]

It’s because many sources had the Habs possibly taking him, and a lot of us didn’t want him. I wouldn’t have took him in the top 15.

Tell me what he’s done to be regarded above guys like the following, other than ANA reaching for him:

•Greentree
•Connelly
•Hage
•Luchanko
•Boisvert

The Ducks reached massively for a guy who isn’t really better than any of the above. The pick is reminiscent of Kotkaniemi (MTL, ‘18), Hayton (ARI, ‘18), and Thomas Hickey (LA, ‘07).

that's great man. good for you guys

i didn't like the pick for the ducks and still don't, but i get a kick out of how you guys seemingly can't stop talking about a guy you supposedly "didn't want"

 

[Hockey Duckie]

It’s because many sources had the Habs possibly taking him, and a lot of us didn’t want him. I wouldn’t have took him in the top 15.

Tell me what he’s done to be regarded above guys like the following, other than ANA reaching for him:

•Greentree
•Connelly
•Hage
•Luchanko
•Boisvert

The Ducks reached massively for a guy who isn’t really better than any of the above. The pick is reminiscent of Kotkaniemi (MTL, ‘18), Hayton (ARI, ‘18), and Thomas Hickey (LA, ‘07).

From the Hockey News:

Now 6-foot-3 and 182 pounds, Sennecke was only 5-foot-10 and 150 pounds when Oshawa took him in the OHL draft two years ago. Some scouts think the right winger might even continue growing, though Sennecke says he's perfectly fine whether he gets any taller or not. For the Ducks, the package he brings to the table was irresistible.​

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"What we love about the player is the skating ability and the hockey sense," said GM Pat Verbeek. "His individual skill level is off the charts and he's the type of player who can play any game on the ice, whether it's a physical game, a skill game or a fast-paced game."​

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And while Sennecke had a very nice regular season with the Generals, he was a beast in the playoffs with 22 points in 16 games, helping Oshawa on a surprise run to the OHL final. So ending strong probably helped his cause, eh?​

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"I think it was probably the driving factor," Sennecke said. "They want someone who produces in the playoffs and shows up when it matters most and I do think I'm a playoff performer."​

• Greentree has skating issues. Like many other scorers who can't skate, they drop in the draft.
• Connelly had two issues: 1) off-ice problems and 2) USHL level of competition
• Hage: USHL level of competition
• Luchanko: is 5'10/5'11 (an OHL product who got drafted ahead of Greentree, Connelly, Hage, and Boisvert)
• Boisvert: USHL level of competition

There are reasons why OHL'er Sennecke is high risk, but also many reasons why he could become high reward. Something clicked in the 2nd half of the season and the playoffs. It could be his brain and elongated body finally got into sync. He's got immense talent that reminds me a lot of 2021, 5th OA Kent Johnson... but taller and slightly more team oriented in play.

We won't know for another 3-5 years if the risk was worth the reward. Anaheim had a similar situation back in 2021 in drafting Mason McTavish 3rd OA. In his D+1 season, he helped Hamilton with the OHL championships, captained team Canada to a WJC-20 gold, and was MVP at the WJC-20. That kinda quelled a lot of naysayers.

 

[Garbageyuk]

why not discuss the prospect your own team drafted then instead of posting about how bad of a pick sennecke was over and over again?

just can't let him go huh?

Because I can discuss whatever I want to. That’s what the site is for. I’m sorry that bothers you. Feel free to ignore posts you don’t like.

 

[Johnnyduck]

Well geez if Madden or PV gets canned in the near future, we will all have to remember “Garbageyuk” and consider him for the open position… the guy is clearly more well versed than ex nhlers and professional long tenured scouts.

This whole thread has become ridiculous. The kid is 6’3 is clearly still growing, comes from a household of athletic professionalism, has elite puck skills, solid skating, excellent vision, a great shot, can play any style game to win, can/likes to turn it on when it matters most, and is right handed (which was dire for us) sounds like a legitimate 3rd OA pick to me.

Habs fans I really dont understand why you're here. Seems like you got your guy and we got ours. Hard stop. If you’re here because you can’t sleep at night, tossing and turning wondering why the Ducks staff took Sennecke over Demidov, well… It's because they believe Sennecke will be the better player and thats as much a possibility as the contrary ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Beckett Sennecke, qualified for the OHL 1/2 Final page 2, player completely ignored

Beckett Sennecke after a few more matches, page 23, most highlighted player.

Even though it's the same guy, with the same level

It's not the same guy, it's someone who grew substantially very quickly and adjusting to his body. Without the growth spurt and what he showed after he wouldn't be picked this high, but he did have it and evidently Anaheim thinks it's a chance at a special player

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

It's not the same guy, it's someone who grew substantially very quickly and adjusting to his body. Without the growth spurt and what he showed after he wouldn't be picked this high, but he did have it and evidently Anaheim thinks it's a chance at a special player

No, there are only 15 days between the end of page 2 of the topic and the end of the season.

I would even say that compared to his U17 season which was excellent, he was completely ignored.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Well geez if Madden or PV gets canned in the near future, we will all have to remember “Garbageyuk” and consider him for the open position… the guy is clearly more well versed than ex nhlers and professional long tenured scouts.

This whole thread has become ridiculous. The kid is 6’3 is clearly still growing, comes from a household of athletic professionalism, has elite puck skills, solid skating, excellent vision, a great shot, can play any style game to win, can/likes to turn it on when it matters most, and is right handed (which was dire for us) sounds like a legitimate 3rd OA pick to me.

Habs fans I really dont understand why you're here. Seems like you got your guy and we got ours. Hard stop. If you’re here because you can’t sleep at night, tossing and turning wondering why the Ducks staff took Sennecke over Demidov, well… It's because they believe Sennecke will be the better player and thats as much a possibility as the contrary ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

With these credentials I'm surprised ge hasn't gotten the generational tag.

 

[HabzSauce]

Well geez if Madden or PV gets canned in the near future, we will all have to remember “Garbageyuk” and consider him for the open position… the guy is clearly more well versed than ex nhlers and professional long tenured scouts.

This whole thread has become ridiculous. The kid is 6’3 is clearly still growing, comes from a household of athletic professionalism, has elite puck skills, solid skating, excellent vision, a great shot, can play any style game to win, can/likes to turn it on when it matters most, and is right handed (which was dire for us) sounds like a legitimate 3rd OA pick to me.

Habs fans I really dont understand why you're here. Seems like you got your guy and we got ours. Hard stop. If you’re here because you can’t sleep at night, tossing and turning wondering why the Ducks staff took Sennecke over Demidov, well… It's because they believe Sennecke will be the better player and thats as much a possibility as the contrary ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sennecke is gonna be a nasty player and wish Habs could have gotten both Demidov AND Sennecke in some alternate reality.

But people are free to express their opinion, love or hate the guy. It's a public forum, who cares lol

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

The Ducks reached massively for a guy who isn’t really better than any of the above. The pick is reminiscent of Kotkaniemi (MTL, ‘18), Hayton (ARI, ‘18), and Thomas Hickey (LA, ‘07).

He will be a better than all three of those combined.

Don't take out your frustrations on your scouting staff picking KK over better options out there at the time!

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

No, there are only 15 days between the end of page 2 of the topic and the end of the season.

I would even say that compared to his U17 season which was excellent, he was completely ignored.

He actually had two different threads on this site that were merged right before the draft, he was definitely under the radar posting wise, but I know he had enough hype here to get me interested in his u17 season.

 

[57special]

Again, I agreed that Sennecke was a late bloomer and had loads of untapped potential. The problem is assuming other 18-year-olds don’t, which is what the other guy did. And no, he never specified he was only speaking about physical tools.

You replied to me, and kept the argument going with your straw man arguments. So stop with the sassy attitude.

The complete and utter lack of self awareness is impressive. Now, go back to your Demidov thread, roll around, sniff and lick it. Leave us alone.

As to the Sennecke pick... I was on the hype train, but i never thought he would go to #3. I sorta get it, because he flashes some exciting talent, and appears to have more room to mature physically than just about any other prospect. I also think that some of his coordination issues will get sorted out as he ages. This is also a draft where almost all of the prospects after Celebrini have a question or two about them, even though they have some undeniable talent. With Lindstrom it's the lack of games and injuries. Catton the size and strength, Levshunov the IQ, Parekh the lack of defensive element, and on, and on.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

“USHL level of competition”. USHL is basically equivalent to CHL these days.

You wanted reasons and I gave you reasons. Trying to counter with "USHL is basically equivalent to the CHL these days" is flaccid statement that you provide no support. Out of all of the names you provided, the little 5'11 CHL prospect Luchanko was drafted higher than all the taller talents out of the USHL. Luchanko, just like Sennecke, had a massive jump up in the actual draft. Yet, you have no qualms about Luchanko.

MyNHLdraft Final Mock draft

In case you cannot identify the names quickly enough, here are the MyNHLdraft mock draft positions from the names you pulled:

10. Sennecke (OHL)
18. Hage (USHL)
19. Connelly (USHL)
20. Luchanko (OHL)
24. Greentree (OHL... heavy skater)
29. Boisvert (USHL)

TSN's Bob McKenzie's Final ranking
(Stat column key: Position, Height, Weight, Games played, Goals scored, Points scored)

Apparently, Sennecke was already a higher rated prospect over all the names you displayed in final mock or rankings of MyNHLdraft and TSN's Bob McKenzie. McKenzie creates his rankings through verified scouts. Your assessment of prospects is off.

 

[Garbageyuk]

You wanted reasons and I gave you reasons. Trying to counter with "USHL is basically equivalent to the CHL these days" is flaccid statement that you provide no support. Out of all of the names you provided, the little 5'11 CHL prospect Luchanko was drafted higher than all the taller talents out of the USHL. Luchanko, just like Sennecke, had a massive jump up in the actual draft. Yet, you have no qualms about Luchanko.

MyNHLdraft Final Mock draft
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In case you cannot identify the names quickly enough, here are the MyNHLdraft mock draft positions from the names you pulled:

10. Sennecke (OHL)
18. Hage (USHL)
19. Connelly (USHL)
20. Luchanko (OHL)
24. Greentree (OHL... heavy skater)
29. Boisvert (USHL)

TSN's Bob McKenzie's Final ranking
(Stat column key: Position, Height, Weight, Games played, Goals scored, Points scored)
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Apparently, Sennecke was already a higher rated prospect over all the names you displayed in final mock or rankings of MyNHLdraft and TSN's Bob McKenzie. McKenzie creates his rankings through verified scouts. Your assessment of prospects is off.

“Trying to counter”? This is basically a consensus opinion. USHL has been getting stronger for like the last 2 decades. It isn’t 1999 anymore. You being ignorant of that fact isn’t my problem.

And all you did by posting those rankings is show that the Ducks did in fact reach for Sennecke, and he is much closer to the group of players that I mentioned than he is to where he was drafted.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

“Trying to counter”? This is basically a consensus opinion. USHL has been getting stronger for like the last 2 decades. It isn’t 1999 anymore. You being ignorant of that fact isn’t my problem.

And all you did by posting those rankings is show that the Ducks did in fact reach for Sennecke, and he is much closer to the group of players that I mentioned than he is to where he was drafted.

Stronger compared to itself, but still not on the same level. You're still trying to rationalize your stance with poetry? I can also say, "High school programs are getting more talent drafted in the late 1st and early 2nd round recently. They're stronger and are equivalent to the CHL." It's true talents are getting drafted earlier, but they're not on the CHL level.

Your talent assessment is off. The tier talent after Celebrini was 2-8 for some and 2-12 for others. Pronman's tier rankings has tier 6 as bubble top or middle of the lineup player. He has Sennecke ranked in tier 4 (bubble All-Star or top line player) with Catton and Demidov.

I brought receipts and you keep using poetry to rationalize your stance. I even used your own poetry (list of players you "feel" are better) to identify your ranking was completely misplaced and that one of your listed players was an OHL'er who leapfrogged over all of the USHL players you mentioned with Luchanko jumping 8 or 9 spots in the draft, 8 for MyNHLdraft and 9 for McKenzie. Yet, you're begging to believe you now that you think being pre-ranked 10th or 11th is the same for being pre-ranked in the 20s.

Why believe you when you've been disproven time and time again with receipts? Why believe you when you don't even accept your own list of players than an OHL'er leapfrogged over all the USHL players you listed? If you cannot accept your own list with conviction, then why should anyone believe a word you say? Luchanko jumped 8 or 9 spots in the draft and you have no problem with it. Sennecke jumped 7 or 8 spots in the draft, but you have a problem with it. Both are OHL'ers.

Substance over poetry. Yeah, you'll never admit your flaws in this argument b/c poetry lacks receipts of substance.

 

[MMC]

The problem is assuming other 18-year-olds don’t, which is what the other guy did. And no, he never specified he was only speaking about physical tools.

We are all very sorry this happened to you

 

[Garbageyuk]

Stronger compared to itself, but still not on the same level. You're still trying to rationalize your stance with poetry? I can also say, "High school programs are getting more talent drafted in the late 1st and early 2nd round recently. They're stronger and are equivalent to the CHL." It's true talents are getting drafted earlier, but they're not on the CHL level.

Your talent assessment is off. The tier talent after Celebrini was 2-8 for some and 2-12 for others. Pronman's tier rankings has tier 6 as bubble top or middle of the lineup player. He has Sennecke ranked in tier 4 (bubble All-Star or top line player) with Catton and Demidov.

I brought receipts and you keep using poetry to rationalize your stance. I even used your own poetry (list of players you "feel" are better) to identify your ranking was completely misplaced and that one of your listed players was an OHL'er who leapfrogged over all of the USHL players you mentioned with Luchanko jumping 8 or 9 spots in the draft, 8 for MyNHLdraft and 9 for McKenzie. Yet, you're begging to believe you now that you think being pre-ranked 10th or 11th is the same for being pre-ranked in the 20s.

Why believe you when you've been disproven time and time again with receipts? Why believe you when you don't even accept your own list of players than an OHL'er leapfrogged over all the USHL players you listed? If you cannot accept your own list with conviction, then why should anyone believe a word you say? Luchanko jumped 8 or 9 spots in the draft and you have no problem with it. Sennecke jumped 7 or 8 spots in the draft, but you have a problem with it. Both are OHL'ers.

Substance over poetry. Yeah, you'll never admit your flaws in this argument b/c poetry lacks receipts of substance.

I never disputed where he was ranked specifically, so you can post as many rankings as you want.

My question was what has he done to warrant the ranking, above guys like Greentree, Boisvert, Hage, Luchanko, and Connelly? Greentree and Luchanko played in the same league as Sennecke did, and put up superior and identical production, respectively, with less help on worse teams. Hage, Boisvert, and Connelly all put up superior numbers in a league that is basically identical in terms of quality (more on that later).

Your knee jerk reaction to just post pre draft lists and rankings, only shows your inability to put forth an argument of your own. I’m not saying he’s necessarily worse than any of the above players; I’m saying he’s closer to those guys in terms of performance than he is to guys like Lindstrom, Demidov, Iginla, or Catton.

Yes, I know he was drafted ahead of them. ANA is obviously placing heavy emphasis on intangible things like potential and “room for growth” or whatever, rather than performance with the selection. But to me, that’s a risky gamble. Thats the rationale that led to the aforementioned Kotkaniemi, Hayton, and Hickey selections.

To be fair, it’s also the rationale behind Winnipeg’s selection of Scheifele, which worked out pretty good for them. How it ultimately turns out for the Ducks is anyone’s guess, but the list of duds with this type of reach pick is long, and it doesn’t work out more often than not.

Regarding the USHL vs CHL issue, you’re misinformed:

Source: NHL Equivalency and Prospect Projection Models: Building the NHL Equivalency Model (Part 2)

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I never disputed where he was ranked specifically, so you can post as many rankings as you want.

My question was what has he done to warrant the ranking, above guys like Greentree, Boisvert, Hage, Luchanko, and Connelly? Greentree and Luchanko played in the same league as Sennecke did, and put up superior and identical production, respectively, with less help on worse teams. Hage, Boisvert, and Connelly all put up superior numbers in a league that is basically identical in terms of quality (more on that later).

Your knee jerk reaction to just post pre draft lists and rankings, only shows your inability to put forth an argument of your own. I’m not saying he’s necessarily worse than any of the above players; I’m saying he’s closer to those guys in terms of performance than he is to guys like Lindstrom, Demidov, Iginla, or Catton.

Yes, I know he was drafted ahead of them. ANA is obviously placing heavy emphasis on intangible things like potential and “room for growth” or whatever, rather than performance with the selection. But to me, that’s a risky gamble. Thats the rationale that led to the aforementioned Kotkaniemi, Hayton, and Hickey selections.

To be fair, it’s also the rationale behind Winnipeg’s selection of Scheifele, which worked out pretty good for them. How it ultimately turns out for the Ducks is anyone’s guess, but the list of duds with this type of reach pick is long, and it doesn’t work out more often than not.

Regarding the USHL vs CHL issue, you’re misinformed:

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Source: NHL Equivalency and Prospect Projection Models: Building the NHL Equivalency Model (Part 2)

We were discussing 8 players (according to madden on Monday prior to the draft)… we don’t and prob won’t ever really know why we went with sennecke over other guys…. I think our youth+ pool put us in a comfortable position to take a home run swing on a guy like sennecke.

He does have a unique blend of skill/size and If be can put some weight/muscle on his frame has a ton of potential.

I think you’re asking questions that arnt really relevant to us as duck fans, sennecke is the guy we chose….. the draft is old news…. And we’re looking forward to seeing what he can become. Most of us thought it was a reach at the time of the draft. But it’s our reality now and we’re going to support the pick and hope he meets the vision our scouts/pv have for him.

I’m not super big on comparing to guys that did or didn’t pan out, I try to take each prospect as an individual circumstance…. He isn’t shciefele, nor is he kotkaniemi, hayton or hickey…. He’s sennecke and we have no clue what he will become, just like Montreal fans have no clue what hage will become. Maybe it’ll end up a bad pick in 3 years, we’ll just have to wait and see like you said.