Value of: Vlasic to Montreal

[Benstheman]

Mtl better wait for him to become UFA in two years.

he might be interested in finishing is career in his hometown, with is WC bodies Weber and Price.

 

[guyzeur]

Not happening but can you imagine for a minute having to play against Vlasic, Weber and Price?

Teams would have only 30 min to score goals when the VW pairing would not be on the ice

 

[hohosaregood]

Vlasic's gonna be a UFA next year, I'll do a 2nd.

 

[BatVader]

The Moon, The Sun, Venus and a 2nd rounder.

All we have are the Moon and the Sun
We traded Venus for Mars!
We still have Pluto if anyone is interested?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Slow down there, bud. No it very wouldn't:

MTL

Galchenyuk
Sergachev

SJ

Vlasic

Who do you think is getting screwed there? My offer would probably be more along the lines of:
Juulsen/Beaulieu + enticing forward prospect (McCarron/Scherbak) + 2nd/3rd
OR Juulsen/Beaulieu + late 1st
But that's only viable if Vlasic is on his way out and is being shopped on the market; he isn't, OP just wants him. San Jose does better to keep him along with their cup contending core for at least this year.

Then you're not really looking at this from San Jose's perspective. If you want a top contender to part with at worst their second best defenseman while they're in a win-now mode, you're going to have to pay through the nose to make it worth their while. Because let's face it, if the Sharks traded Vlasic for Galchenyuk and Sergachev, they're still not a better team now for doing so. In fact, they open a very large hole in a pivotal position that would likely cost them dearly towards the end goal of a Stanley Cup. It doesn't matter if the Habs are getting screwed, which they certainly would be in that proposal, because that's what it's going to take to get the Sharks to move on someone as vitally important to their success as Vlasic is.

As much as I value Vlasic, I certainly cant value him as much as Galchenyuk. Adding Sergechev is crazy.

That's what I was expecting to get the point across that Vlasic isn't available and is crucial to the team's success that something similar to that proposal is what it would take to even get a serious conversation going about the Sharks moving Vlasic. He is quite simply that important for this team right now.

Hahaha right.

It's all about perspective. Those thinking that it would take Beaulieu or Patches or good prospects for a team that's looking to win the Cup now are not taking the Sharks perspective into account. They are a win-now club. Vlasic is a win-now player playing what is at the very least as a #2 spot on said team. Asking that team to part with such an important player is going to take a lot because you're likely asking them to take a large hit towards their odds of winning a championship which is going against their M.O. for now. I mean, there is a reason why winning teams don't make the kinds of trades people here are suggesting. It makes no sense for the Sharks to part with Vlasic but if you want a nuts and bolts suggestion of what it would take, that's what it would take. Why would the Sharks settle for less in their current situation?

 

[weastern bias]

How about... Habs give up great pieces on very cheap cap hit

Mtl: Couture, Vlasic

Sj: Patches, Beaulieu

This is actually hilarious, Couture is the best player in this deal by far and you just try to kinda slip him in there

 

[One Winged Angel]

It's all about perspective. Those thinking that it would take Beaulieu or Patches or good prospects for a team that's looking to win the Cup now are not taking the Sharks perspective into account. They are a win-now club. Vlasic is a win-now player playing what is at the very least as a #2 spot on said team. Asking that team to part with such an important player is going to take a lot because you're likely asking them to take a large hit towards their odds of winning a championship which is going against their M.O. for now. I mean, there is a reason why winning teams don't make the kinds of trades people here are suggesting. It makes no sense for the Sharks to part with Vlasic but if you want a nuts and bolts suggestion of what it would take, that's what it would take. Why would the Sharks settle for less in their current situation?

I understand the perspective and the want for a return like that, but that doesn't mean that...

A. He's worth that return.
B. He would get that kind of return.

I'm not a general manager, but for the life of me, I can't see anyone giving up that kind of return for a veteran shutdown defender. Young and productive cost controller players are the most valuable commodities in hockey in the salary cap era. No team is going to give up that and a top prospect and overpay handsomely for a player like Vlasic.

I'll eat my crow if it somehow happens, but Galchenyuk is already a legit 1st line forward. 30 goals last year as a 22 year old. Competitive teams that need a piece like Vlasic that have pieces like Galchenyuk are not giving up players like that. Like you mentioned before, while it fills one hole, it creates another, because where is that production coming from?

 

[Asheru]

As a Kings fan I wish the Sharks would trade away Vlasic...but there's no chance in heck. Why should SJ cut out a core piece this year? What's their motivation? They should easily be a playoff team again. That matters far more to them than getting good younger players in return at this point.

P.S. To call Vlasic a mere 'shut-down' defender downplays his true value, IMO. Steady, smart top-pair defensemen like him are gold.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I understand the perspective and the want for a return like that, but that doesn't mean that...

A. He's worth that return.
B. He would get that kind of return.

I'm not a general manager, but for the life of me, I can't see anyone giving up that kind of return for a veteran shutdown defender. Young and productive cost controller players are the most valuable commodities in hockey in the salary cap era. No team is going to give up that and a top prospect and overpay handsomely for a player like Vlasic.

I'll eat my crow if it somehow happens, but Galchenyuk is already a legit 1st line forward. 30 goals last year as a 22 year old. Competitive teams that need a piece like Vlasic that have pieces like Galchenyuk are not giving up players like that. Like you mentioned before, while it fills one hole, it creates another, because where is that production coming from?

I doubt you truly understand the Sharks perspective then. You may understand the perspective of the want for a return like that but you're not really understanding the Sharks' perspective on something like this. It's not saying Vlasic is worth that return or that he'd get that return. It's saying that his value to the team right now in the position that they're in is worth substantially more than what his value may be in a vacuum or under different circumstances. Sharks have forward depth to where Galchenyuk isn't as valuable to them on the trade market as it would be to other teams. Sharks have historically had issues developing top end defensemen and replacing someone like Vlasic in general is tough to do unless you're good at drafting and developing them. Sharks aren't really good at that relatively speaking.

I can't see a GM giving up that kind of return either which is why I'm not expecting a trade of this sort. Vlasic is incredibly valuable to the team and not someone that is on the trade table. They're trying to win now and you're going to be very hard-pressed to find a deal involving Vlasic that makes the Sharks better and chances are it is likely going to be an overpayment to do so. Otherwise, there is simply no motivation to make the deal. But you asked a question regarding Galchenyuk's performance but you really make no mention about how Vlasic is replaced. He's not just some veteran shutdown defender. He's one of the best defensive players in the league and had some good production himself last year. That isn't exactly easy to replace.

 

[bigwillie]

I get that valuing players is difficult - I myself often struggle with properly valuing players both from my own and other teams, and that's a reason why I try to avoid proposing anything on these boards.

But there's a big difference between failing to properly value a player and not even trying to take into account another team's need whatsoever. You're asking for a potential Stanley Cup contender's best defenseman, and are offering futures in return? Come on.

 

[CrypTic]

I understand the perspective and the want for a return like that, but that doesn't mean that...

A. He's worth that return.
B. He would get that kind of return.

I'm not a general manager, but for the life of me, I can't see anyone giving up that kind of return for a veteran shutdown defender. Young and productive cost controller players are the most valuable commodities in hockey in the salary cap era. No team is going to give up that and a top prospect and overpay handsomely for a player like Vlasic.

I'll eat my crow if it somehow happens, but Galchenyuk is already a legit 1st line forward. 30 goals last year as a 22 year old. Competitive teams that need a piece like Vlasic that have pieces like Galchenyuk are not giving up players like that. Like you mentioned before, while it fills one hole, it creates another, because where is that production coming from?

Which is why two teams that want to contend right now generally make bad trading partners. Neither wants to create a hole in order to patch/upgrade another position. So, in order for it to work, you'd need, e.g., a team with an excess of RHD but a hole at C to find a team with an excess of Cs with a hole at RHD. Then how likely is it that the RHD will be of an age, caliber, contract status, style that matches the 2nd team approximately as well as the C matches the first team? It's very unlikely that the two will be a good match.

I agree with Asheru that calling Vlasic a shutdown defender underplays his value. He's a great defender who moves the puck very well. He's decent at scoring (on pace for 48 points last season, which looks about average for a #1D).

 

[Jaynki]

Price would be around Galchenyuk + Sergachev...

MTL don't have the forward depth to afford it but with Vlasic it would definitely be awesome.

 

[CHaracter79]

whatever happened to the good ole days where we could offer Craig Rivet to the sharks and they would give us Josh Gorges and a 1st (pacioretty)


I like vlasic. but the truth is we would overpay for a player that is great.. but not what we need.

would be nice to get someone cheaper that is close to UFA status .. like maybe next year.. and try to sneak a trade in that way

 

[Pinkfloyd]

whatever happened to the good ole days where we could offer Craig Rivet to the sharks and they would give us Josh Gorges and a 1st (pacioretty)


I like vlasic. but the truth is we would overpay for a player that is great.. but not what we need.

would be nice to get someone cheaper that is close to UFA status .. like maybe next year.. and try to sneak a trade in that way

Talk to us in a few years when Petry is a rental 30+ year old and we'll see if we can do some business. lol

 

[Legend123]

This is actually hilarious, Couture is the best player in this deal by far and you just try to kinda slip him in there

Patches is clearly ahead of Couture over the past few seasons. 2nd most GWGs, 3rd most goals in the NHL in the past few seasons.

 

[Dertell]

Confirmed Trade With Link: [SJ/MTL] Vlasic for Beaulieu + 1st

...

Rumor: SJ 'desperately' searching for a Top 4 D.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Patches is clearly ahead of Couture over the past few seasons. 2nd most GWGs, 3rd most goals in the NHL in the past few seasons.

Couture is a better all-around player. That really shouldn't be in doubt here.

 

[domiwroze]

Couture is a better all-around player. That really shouldn't be in doubt here.

Well there is some doubt, because patches best side of his play is his defensive play.

 

[BillR10]

Patches is clearly ahead of Couture over the past few seasons. 2nd most GWGs, 3rd most goals in the NHL in the past few seasons.

That's right it was patches that led the nhl in scoring last postseason........ wait, who led scoring when it mattered again?

 

[Legend123]

That's right it was patches that led the nhl in scoring last postseason........ wait, who led scoring when it mattered again?

Where Patches wasnt even playing? lol

And also for you one postseason outmatches 5 years of NHL??? haha

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Well there is some doubt, because patches best side of his play is his defensive play.

Yeah...and? Just because it may be his best side of his play doesn't mean that it's better than Couture's. Couture does just a little bit more overall than Patches does.

 

[weastern bias]

Well there is some doubt, because patches best side of his play is his defensive play.

The same thing can be said for Couture, last year's leading playoff scorer is a much better defensive player than an offensive one

 

[Gecklund]

Patches is clearly ahead of Couture over the past few seasons. 2nd most GWGs, 3rd most goals in the NHL in the past few seasons.

Great. Couture has been our best player this season and Vlasic the 2nd best. So we get someone that would be a 2nd line winger on our team and someone that wouldn't break our top 4 for our best defender and our best forward.

 

[powerstuck]

Why ppl gotta come up with such bad statements when regarding the habs lol
No high end prospects?? Who is Sergechev?
Other than the gallies, the habs have nothing?? Really?? Im 100% sure Weber, Price, Patches, Radulov, Petry would all be very enticing to the Sharks. Then u add in solid prospects/rookies like Juulsen, Sherback, McCarron, Lehkonen and the habs can easily make a trade with every non-divisional team in this league.

Simple answer to this is except Petry, not a single one of players you named will be put on ''Available for trade'' list. If we're honest, Habs need all of those players, and losing one of those to fix one problem will just create a new and bigger one.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Patches is clearly ahead of Couture over the past few seasons. 2nd most GWGs, 3rd most goals in the NHL in the past few seasons.

Couture doesn't fall apart in the playoffs though.

Without Couture's clutch playoff scoring (30 points in 24 games) we wouldn't have gotten to the finals. No thanks.