Value of: Vlasic to Montreal

[DonskoiDonscored]

Isn't it the same logic though, the Sharks don't move Vlasic outside of a major overpay?

Our window is closing for a few years in the next year or two (unless DW works some magic). Vlasic is going to cost a fortune to re-up, and if we get a top line forward and a likely top two defenseman for him this summer, I'd probably do it.

 

[snipes]

Our window is closing for a few years in the next year or two (unless DW works some magic). Vlasic is going to cost a fortune to re-up, and if we get a top line forward and a likely top two defenseman for him, I'd probably do it.

That sounds like a rebuild .

How could you guys let him walk? That seems crazy, I'd let Burns walk before Vlasic. You have Couture and Pavelski locked up until 2019 on reasonable deals.

Yeah, when you reup Vlasic in 2018 he'll be way more expensive than the steal you have him at now. I can't see him getting out of your grasp. I mean, I'd like it as a divisional rival for him to be out of the Pacific, but he's too talented to let go.

Who else needs a decent contract? Marleau is aging out, Jumbo is aging out. Donskoi needs a new deal after next year, he'll get a decent pay day I imagine.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

That sounds like a rebuild .

How could you guys let him walk? That seems crazy, I'd let Burns walk before Vlasic. You have Couture and Pavelski locked up until 2019 on reasonable deals.

We wouldn't let him walk. Unless there's a trade, he's going to be here for awhile longer.

Who else needs a decent contract? Marleau is aging out, Jumbo is aging out. Donskoi needs a new deal after next year, he'll get a decent pay day I imagine.

Hertl is going to get a huge pay day. So will Jones and Donskoi.

Hertl is who I am worried about the most. He is so, so dominant on his own and I'm not sure how much cap space we'll have.

 

[snipes]

We wouldn't let him walk. Unless there's a trade, he's going to be here for awhile longer.



Hertl is going to get a huge pay day. So will Jones and Donskoi.

Hertl is who I am worried about the most. He is so, so dominant on his own and I'm not sure how much cap space we'll have.

Ahh yes, I knew I was forgetting someone. Hertl will likely cost you guys some money, Jones will get a nice raise as well with his recent performances.

It'll run you guys tight. Think you resign Burns? He'll command some serious money as a UFA.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Ahh yes, I knew I was forgetting someone. Hertl will likely cost you guys some money, Jones will get a nice raise as well with his recent performances.

It'll run you guys tight. Think you resign Burns? He'll command some serious money as a UFA.

Burns is going to cost ~9M. I've tried convincing myself otherwise, but I have to accept it now.

We can definitely afford him (letting Wingels go and having Marleau take a 1.5M paycut makes that easily possible).

The problem is then what we do for 2018, with Donskoi (~3M), Jones (~5M), Vlasic (~7M), and Hertl (~6M) likely getting nearly 10M in raises combined. We'd have to trade Dillon and one/both of Martin/Ward to make that happen.

 

[snipes]

Burns is going to cost ~9M. I've tried convincing myself otherwise, but I have to accept it now.

We can definitely afford him (letting Wingels go and having Marleau take a 1.5M paycut makes that easily possible).

The problem is then what we do for 2018, with Donskoi (~3M), Jones (~5M), and Hertl (~6M) likely getting 7M in raises combined. We'd have to trade Dillon and one of Martin/Ward to make that happen.

Yup. That was my thoughts as well, you would be paying a guy in his 30s that money while losing those future core pieces. Plus how would you resign Vlasic when his time comes? Basically you pay Burns that big money, at least one of Hertl, Donskoi, or Jones is gone. Likely in tough to resign Vlasic as well.

Tough pill to swallow, but Burns might end up going to market.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Yup. That was my thoughts as well, you would be paying a guy in his 30s that money while losing those future core pieces. Plus how would you resign Vlasic when his time comes? Basically you pay Burns that big money, at least one of Hertl, Donskoi, or Jones is gone. Likely in tough to resign Vlasic as well.

Tough pill to swallow, but Burns might end up going to market.

I don't see Burns going to the market though. Whether it be Marleau taking a paycut or an overpaid depth player getting traded/let go (Dillon/Wingels), Burns will stick around.

 

[snipes]

I don't see Burns going to the market though. Whether it be Marleau taking a paycut or an overpaid depth player getting traded/let go (Dillon/Wingels), Burns will stick around.

Yeah, I guess your next couple years drafting will be crucial to fill in the depth with ELCs. Guys like Dillon and Wingels will go. Braun is locked up for the next bit.

Couture and Pavelski will need new deals in a couple years. If signing those 3 means Vlasic is the odd man out that would be insanity. Vlasic will pull a big time pay day as well, might be tough having those 4 drawing big paper.

But I guess with Jumbo and Marleau coming off the books that helps big time.

 

[Intent]

I mean the cap reductions HAVE to come from Jumbo and Patty. Patty will take a pay cut, cuz how the hell do you give a 38 year old 6m+ with that production? Sure he could hit 20 goals but cmon he can't be expecting anything near 6m. And even if Jumbo is still elite, I don't see how he would refuse to take a pay cut, he claims to just want to win. I think we also forget just how Doug Wilson(all GM's really) manages to finagle discounts, he throws NMC's around like candy, and it works. I even expect Burns next contract to look oddly good for us. Idk I feel like its more unusual for a contract to be big than it is for it to seem like a steal. I could totally envision Patty at 3m, Jumbo at 4, and Burns at like 4X7.5.

 

[Kalv]

Dat OP

Kind of warms me because we are not the only ones receiving horrifying offers (for Fowler) it gives me the ''we are not alone'' notion.

You hang in there Sharks fans, as bad as this was it can/could go way worse than this... just trust me.

 

[Limekiller]

Dat OP

Kind of warms me because we are not the only ones receiving horrifying offers (for Fowler) it gives me the ''we are not alone'' notion.

You hang in there Sharks fans, as bad as this was it can/could go way worse than this... just trust me.

Hey, as Sharks fans, we'd be ecstatic if you traded away Fowler for peanuts. Like you'd be unhappy if we traded Vlasic away for a handful of magic beans?

 

[Kalv]

Hey, as Sharks fans, we'd be ecstatic if you traded away Fowler for peanuts. Like you'd be unhappy if we traded Vlasic away for a handful of magic beans?

From that point of view - sure! But let`s just say i`m not putting too much stock into that

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I mean the cap reductions HAVE to come from Jumbo and Patty. Patty will take a pay cut, cuz how the hell do you give a 38 year old 6m+ with that production? Sure he could hit 20 goals but cmon he can't be expecting anything near 6m. And even if Jumbo is still elite, I don't see how he would refuse to take a pay cut, he claims to just want to win. I think we also forget just how Doug Wilson(all GM's really) manages to finagle discounts, he throws NMC's around like candy, and it works. I even expect Burns next contract to look oddly good for us. Idk I feel like its more unusual for a contract to be big than it is for it to seem like a steal. I could totally envision Patty at 3m, Jumbo at 4, and Burns at like 4X7.5.

It's reasonable to expect Marleau to take the cut and to some extent maybe Thornton but both can still get 6 mil if they want to do the one year bonus deals. Then you can realistically see 3 and 4 mil cap figures with the bonuses being pushed onto the next season's cap. Burns at 7.5 mil is highly unlikely. You'd be asking him to take less than Byfuglien. I don't see that happening.

The Sharks aren't going to have problems re-signing anyone that they want to keep. This year it's Jumbo, Marleau, Burns, and Wingels as UFA's with Donskoi, Karlsson, Tierney, and Nieto as RFA's. Wingels is as good as gone. Burns probably maxes out here at about 8.5 mil. Jumbo and Marleau are tough to call. It depends on what they're willing to do. The team gains the most flexibility if they go with one year deals with bonuses involved. It can lower their cap figure and pay them more in bonuses that could be pushed to the next season's cap if it goes over. Out of the RFA's, only Donskoi is going to see a significant increase but even his will only be somewhere between 2 and 3 million figure. Next year, it's Vlasic, Hertl, and Jones with Ward also becoming a free agent. Ward leaving will pay for Vlasic's increase easily. After that, you're probably looking at moving someone like Martin or Dillon which won't be a difficult thing to accomplish and that's assuming none of the 7 figure contracts are picked up via expansion.

 

[Juxtaposer]

OMG you can't be serious...

Pacioretty has had the same or better production per game in all the other years as well. what now? lol

Why wouldn't he be serious about not including a year in which Couture missed literally half the season because of a pair of freak long-term injuries?

Look friend. Pacioretty is an awesome player and I have a lot of time for him. But for a team that is trying to win a Stanley Cup, anyone who picks him over Logan Couture is nuts.