Legend123
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As much as I value Vlasic, I certainly cant value him as much as Galchenyuk. Adding Sergechev is crazy.
Value of: Vlasic to Montreal
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As much as I value Vlasic, I certainly cant value him as much as Galchenyuk. Adding Sergechev is crazy.
Legend123
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Why ppl gotta come up with such bad statements when regarding the habs lol
No high end prospects?? Who is Sergechev?
Other than the gallies, the habs have nothing?? Really?? Im 100% sure Weber, Price, Patches, Radulov, Petry would all be very enticing to the Sharks. Then u add in solid prospects/rookies like Juulsen, Sherback, McCarron, Lehkonen and the habs can easily make a trade with every non-divisional team in this league.
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For 2 years of Vlasic? Yea, no.
Sergachev is the starting piece but Galchenyuk most definitely won't be the add.
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From San Jose's perspective? You're asking for a Stanley Cup contender's #1 defenseman in the tail end of their window to actually win. If you're not overpaying, you're not getting what you asked for.
Would San Jose do it for anything less? I don't think so. Even Sergachev and Galchenyuk is questionable as it doesn't really help San Jose win this year.
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Moving Galchenyuk doesn't make sense for us because we don't have a replacement for him (he's a young 1C..). In any case that's terrible value for us, because like i said we're not guaranteed to resign Vlasic after his 2 years are up and he'll be 31/32. His next contract is going to take him into the later stages of his career.
If SJ moves Vlasic that means they're going to be rebuilding, my offer would be Sergachev + McCarron/Beaulieu + 1st, if that's not enough then so be it.. but we certainly can't create holes at other spots on our roster (if we want to contend).
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Wait you think Galchenyuk has more value than Vlasic? There's no way Galchy's value is higher than Vlasic's, which is really a testament to how damn good Vlasic really is.
He doesnt but moving him means we'd be creating a massive hole at center (which is already a big problem that we have).
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Even tho Galchenyuk is an RFA this is still his last year, he'll be getting a big raise aswell. He's a guaranteed signing (well most likely) but he's gonna be pricier than he is now.
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From a outsider perspective the sharks would need the young Russian D and Gally at C for it to make sense. Vlasic is top tier D and replacing him is not easy especially because the 2nd best sharks D is a Ufa after the year and is in his early 30s but will still demand big cash that the sharks might not want to pay. So the risk of losing 2 key defense they need to make sure it is worth it for them. The Habs don't have great prospects other then Serg and they don't have many guys with the big club worth asking for. The guys you do have that the sharks might want are likely not being moved because they were just brought in or to valuable like price radulov and weber. Sharks don't need patches and that just leaves Gally who is a guy who can help replace jumbo joe.
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Vlasic is awesome, he is an underrated Dman and an essential part of the Sharks team. It would take more than these offers to entice the Sharks to move him.
Look what happened to the sharks when (was it) stoll rubbed his face along the boards in the playoffs a few years back.
Look what happened to the sharks when (was it) stoll rubbed his face along the boards in the playoffs a few years back.
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This is correct. We need a Stanley Cup ASAP. So before you make any offer, keep that in mind. We don't need prospects or picks, we need players that can help us win now.
Because of that, I don't think the Habs and Sharks make good trading partners. Add to that that not many players on the Habs interest me:
Price (we'd need to ship a couple of contracts back to fit him under the cap),
Weber (you'd need to retain so we could fit him on the team),
Galchenyuk,
Patches (with a big plus) but I wouldn't take him as the centerpiece of a Vlasic trade.
Some of your prospects are interesting but I'm not interested in prospects for Vlasic
Even Galchenyuk plus Sergachev would give me pause bc I think trading Vlasic for Galchenyuk (plus) would make us at least a bit worse this year and this year (and every remaining year that he's still good) might be the last year Jumbo is good. Galchenyuk might eventually replace Joe but, unless he improves a lot this year, he's not doing it now. From that list, I think the Habs would only be interested in trading Patches which wouldn't work at all from the Sharks' POV.
In short: anything that I'd consider from the Habs would probably piss off most Habs' fans.
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So parts for a #1. Parts you're willing to part with that they don't want for a centerpiece they aren't willing to move and have no desire to.
Always, always start with the best 1 for 1 you can come up with as a fan...then add from your side. If you can't do that, you're making a bad offer.
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No worries! Every fanbase has them. The usual 3 piece for one of your best unavailable 1 piece deals.
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Oh sure. No Sharks fan has said that we think that an offer starting at Galchenyuk + Sergachev is one that Montreal would or even SHOULD make for Vlasic. We're just stating the fact that given our team situation and needs that that's the ONLY starting point for an offer that wouldn't result in Doug Wilson laughing derisively as he hangs up the phone.
Remember, Vlasic is arguably the best defensive D-man in the NHL today, and has been adding a growing offensive component to his game as well. All while signed to a deal that pays him $1m less AAV than Dennis Wideman. Given that the team's entire focus is winning a Cup within the next year or two, we have zero interest in virtually any prospect or pick for a player that is such an integral part of our team. As a result, any price that SJ would even consider accepting is one that Montreal simply wouldn't be willing to pay.
So, while no player is truly untouchable, suffice it to say there's zero chance SJ could be enticed into trading Vlasic to Montreal for parts, and that we make terrible trading partners for a deal of this kind.
You gotta be kidding me, right? In what twisted little Bleu, Blanc , Rouge universe is this anywhere near realistic?
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