Traded Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

[Ice-Tray]

Why not just keep him vs that return.

Because that would have been a supreme dick move to the player who isn’t at fault for Floridas offer, but is well within his agreement to choose his destination. Beyond being spiteful it would be a case of cutting off our nose to spit in our face. We would piss off a player who has been a good player for us, and deny ourselves a few draft assets, just because we’re bitter.

That’s an emotional response for us, not the kind of professional response you want from the managers of the business.

 

[Micklebot]

But if the rumours are true and Tank basically forced his way to Florida, and Florida basically responds that they're not that interested and will offer no more than a 3rd + 4th, I'm not sure what else there is to do.

Well, he could tell Florida if that's their best offer, well just keep him here as we value the vet experience he can pass on to our young players.

Our only leverage was the nuclear option of neither team gets what the want, which only works if Florida doesn't have a viable backup plan.

Generally the difference between a 2nd and a third is pretty negligible in terms of expected outcome so Staios probably just didn't care enough to fight over the nickles and dimes since it's clear he wasn't walking away with a first multiple seconds.

It sucks that he chose to hamstring us with the NTC assuming that's true but it is what it is.

 

[flyingfingers]

Strange that people weren't as sympathetic when DeBrincat did the same thing with Detroit. We still got a 1st round pick out of that one.

Debrincat reportedly gave the team a list of places where he'd be open to extending. If I remember, Detroit, Florida, Dallas, Tampa, Vegas, and Carolina were all on the list—basically all low-tax states plus his hometown.

He also had no protection, so he couldn't refuse a trade anywhere. His leverage was being a one-year rental rather than extending.

Tarasenko could flat-out refuse to go anywhere.

In hindsight, we would have been better off keeping Debrincat as an own-rental. We wouldn't have spent the first 20 games trying to shoehorn one of Batherson or Tarasenko onto the LW. By the time Tarasenko got comfortable, the season was already lost.

And with more hindsight, we never should have traded for Debrincat.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Because that would have been a supreme dick move to the player who isn’t at fault for Floridas offer, but is well within his agreement to choose his destination. Beyond being spiteful it would be a case of cutting off our nose to spit in our face. We would piss off a player who has been a good player for us, and deny ourselves a few draft assets, just because we’re bitter.

That’s an emotional response for us, not the kind of professional response you want from the managers of the business.

You've got it completely backwards, as usual.

Tarasenko is the party who pulled the dick move here and demanded to be traded to a single team

It's not a dick move for the Sens to tell him that team isn't offering anything and that they aren't going to trade him there because of that while simultaneously giving him a number of other attractive destinations that are willing to pay a fair price.

If he'll only waive for one team and that team won't pay a fair price, not trading him there isn't a dick move, it's simply business.

 

[Loach]

There was no other teams.....

I have to negotiate for a living. Once there is no leverage and an expiring timeline you have to take what you can get unfortunately. I hate the return too, but I think people have to understand what type of leverage a full NMC gives a player. A player that has won a Stanley Cup that has a young family. I really think there is a very good chance he comes back next year, I think thats why this trade went down the way it did.

Hidden "future considerations" in the deal? I like it.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

The more I think about this trade the more it becomes obvious Dorion screwed his replacement being able to get anything good in return should we fail to be a playoff team again this season. Only Tampa also going after Tank could have salvaged it.

You've got it completely backwards, as usual.

Tarasenko is the party who pulled the dick move here and demanded to be traded to a single team

It's not a dick move for the Sens to tell him that team isn't offering anything and that they aren't going to trade him there because of that while simultaneously giving him a number of other attractive destinations that are willing to pay a fair price.

If he'll only waive for one team and that team won't pay a fair price, not trading him there isn't a dick move, it's simply business.

Not a dick move on either side.

 

[inthewings]

Well, he could tell Florida if that's their best offer, well just keep him here as we value the vet experience he can pass on to our young players.

Our only leverage was the nuclear option of neither team gets what the want, which only works if Florida doesn't have a viable backup plan.

Generally the difference between a 2nd and a third is pretty negligible in terms of expected outcome so Staios probably just didn't care enough to fight over the nickles and dimes since it's clear he wasn't walking away with a first multiple seconds.

It sucks that he chose to hamstring us with the NTC assuming that's true but it is what it is.

Yeah that’s how I see it too. I’m sure he wanted to put this to bed and move on to bigger things. Chychrun is the much more important asset at play

 

[Puikiou]

We just can't stop getting f****. F***!

 

[Micklebot]

. I really think there is a very good chance he comes back next year, I think thats why this trade went down the way it did

This is what came to mind for me as well, maybe we took this deal in part to make him happy hoping it would grease the wheels to bring him back next year.

I think he fit in really well, I'd be ok with him coming back

 

[flyingfingers]

As a new GM Staios needs to establish that he's not going to get bent over in trades like the previous GM. He did the opposite.

I don't think that should be his primary priority. His primary priority needs to be starting to clean house because this team's roster is not close to good enough.

You have to consider it as if we're entering a new rebuild. Hopefully, this one will be faster and better managed than the last one.

But the goal is to restock the cupboards, get the picks that you can, and find the right players to surround whoever you've deemed to be the core.

It's going to be a 2-3 year process.

Keeping Tarasenko to "prove a point" would have been dumb. It sucks that he had a full NMC. But Tarasenko had it, and it's his right to prioritize family. That's what he did. You have to deal with it.

 

[inthewings]

Strange that people weren't as sympathetic when DeBrincat did the same thing with Detroit. We still got a 1st round pick out of that one.

If Staios had recently paid significantly more for Tarasenko than he got back, I’d be critical. But he didn’t so I’m not

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Sometimes you just have to be a killer. We aren’t killer s

 

[Good in Osgoode]

We just can't stop getting f****. F***!

It feels like it is going to take at least couple more years for the stank on this team to go away.

 

[flyingfingers]

This is what came to mind for me as well, maybe we took this deal in part to make him happy hoping it would grease the wheels to bring him back next year.

I think he fit in really well, I'd be ok with him coming back

I doubt it. Tarasenko played well enough and seems like a really good guy, but he was an awkward fit. We have Batherson and Tarasenko on the right side, and neither of them (nor Tarasenko) seems comfortable at LW.

If you assume 8 of our top 9 next year will be: Tkachuk, Stützle, Giroux, Batherson, Pinto, Norris, Greig and Joseph, I don't think Tarasenko fits into that group. You want someone who's more of a defense-first guy, who can play in different spots, and who can add some physicality and grit.

Someone like Stefan Noesen, for example.

If you were to move on from Batherson, Tarasenko would make more sense, but I'm not sure that's going to happen.

 

[Xspyrit]

As I said in the Staios thread :

Guess we were stuck in a corner, a bit like in the DeBrincat trade where he only wanted to go to Detroit. This is pretty much a Dorion type situation that Staios had to execute

Of course when there's zero competition to land the services of a player, it reduces the price tremendously. But what's with acquiring players who want to play somewhere else?

Are we really going to be able to sign UFAs who will want to be here? Is it even worse than I thought? Asset management is extremely crucial for us and Dorion royally screwed it up

The reality is we're going back to the Murray years where Staois and Andlauer want to build a brand that they will take care of players like Fisher to Nashville.

We had some good years under Murray. The year after he passed a team he built took us to Game 7 double OT against the Penguins who would go on to win the cup.

We made the playoffs 6 times out of 10 seasons under Murray team and won 3 rounds (although that 1st year in 2007-08 was still Muckler's team). He couldn't rebuild due to Alfredsson and Melnyk contexts but we had some mitigated success and had a good prospect pool when Dorion took over. 7 years of Dorion were downright terrible, couldn't build anything while doing a FULL rebuild and plenty of quality assets for trade, plus left with a bare prospect pool.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

This is what came to mind for me as well, maybe we took this deal in part to make him happy hoping it would grease the wheels to bring him back next year.

I think he fit in really well, I'd be ok with him coming back

He's never coming back to Ottawa. No chance in hell.

 

[Micklebot]

I doubt it. Tarasenko played well enough and seems like a really good guy, but he was an awkward fit. We have Batherson and Tarasenko on the right side, and neither of them (nor Tarasenko) seems comfortable at LW.

If you assume 8 of our top 9 next year will be: Tkachuk, Stützle, Giroux, Batherson, Pinto, Norris, Greig and Joseph, I don't think Tarasenko fits into that group. You want someone who's more of a defense-first guy, who can play in different spots, and who can add some physicality and grit.

Someone like Stefan Noesen, for example.

If you were to move on from Batherson, Tarasenko would make more sense, but I'm not sure that's going to happen.

Well, regardless of us having both him and Bath, he's seemed to play well no matter what line he's on.

I agree a guy like Noesen might be a better fit, but I'd be fine with him coming back if the family really liked Ottawa.

Do I think it's likely, no, but if his options are once again limited, I could see him considering us a good fit for his fam. Happy wife, happy life, they say.

 

[flyingfingers]

Well, regardless of us having both him and Bath, he's seemed to play well no matter what line he's on.

I agree a guy like Noesen might be a better fit, but I'd be fine with him coming back if the family really liked Ottawa.

Do I think it's likely, no, but if his options are once again limited, I could see him considering us a good fit for his fam. Happy wife, happy life, they say.

He played well, sure, but the team didn't have success. Staios needs to bring in different skill sets to help the team succeed, not keep a guy around because he likes Ottawa.

There's only so much cap to spend and ice time to go around. We shouldn't allocate $4-5M on Tarasenko, even if he's open to it.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Disappointing return for a (currently) scoring veteran centre with Stanley cup pedigree, especially with 2.5 mill retention.

Only way this makes sense is if Tank wants to sign here in the offseason and there is a handshake deal in place.

Also… disappointing first trade for Staios.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Why are some acting like this is the first NMC trade ever lol. It’s happened countless other times with decent returns

 

[dumbdick]

It bothers me that we retained here. I get that tank's return was going to be trash. But andlauer just handed like $500k out of his wallet for zero compensation.

I never would have retained here.

 

[Relapsing]

It bothers me that we retained here. I get that tank's return was going to be trash. But andlauer just handed like $500k out of his wallet for zero compensation.

I never would have retained here.

It feels like that time a certain GM took a lesser pick because the team he was trading with didn't have 2nd.

Did we retain because Florida didn't have the cap room/wanted to make other trades?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He wanted to be close to family…

Really this NHL player couldn’t play a couple months away from family lol? If they’re in Florida then he’s ALRaeADY been 7 months away from family lol. Just bs. They know they get traded.

 

[redbrick98]

Terrible return.

Would have just kept him if that was the case.

 

[Samboni]

Tank is just one more example why the Sens need to build through the draft. Not many “grade A” free agents are willing to play in Ottawa.