Traded Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

[Pierre from Orleans]

I like this gimmick of pretending that none of the issues with the team Pierre Dorion built have anything to do with Pierre Dorion.

It's pretty sad and cringey

 

[DylanSensFan]

What a waste of cap space, both in signing and trading. Glad he's gone. We need room to re-sign Pinto and make other moves. Tarasenko is well past his prime and did not offer enough for the price tag.

 

[Micklebot]

Chock up another bad one on Dorion. That NMC really gummed up the works and imagine they even had to take back salary (mostly because of cap value) to get such poor return. The sharks know where the best feeding spots are.

Eh, we probably can't sign Tarasenko without the NMC, I really don't blame Dorion for giving him it.

The return sucks, I guess we could have threatened to leave him to play out the year in Ottawa, which of course would have just resulted in people complaining that we could have had a second had we only traded him not realizing that the best offer was a 3rd and 4th.

Id have hoped that he'd have been open to a couple options to allow us a decent return, but oh well.

If this is the kind of trash offer we are getting for Chychrun, he isn't getting moved at the deadline.

 

[inthewings]

Not trading Tarasenko and then letting him walk for nothing would have been indefensible. I'm sure Staios got the highest picks available to him.

 

[Tuna99]

Eh, we probably can't sign Tarasenko without the NMC, I really don't blame Dorion for giving him it.

The return sucks, I guess we could have threatened to leave him to play out the year in Ottawa, which of course would have just resulted in people complaining that we could have had a second had we only traded him not realizing that the best offer was a 3rd and 4th.

Id have hoped that he'd have been open to a couple options to allow us a decent return, but oh well.

If this is the kind of trash offer we are getting for Chychrun, he isn't getting moved at the deadline.

In context we have lost so many trades recently and all the big ones.

ADB trade out
ADBtrade in
Chychryn trade in
Matt Murray trade in
Matt Murray trade out
Gus trade out

So many assets out and so much bad brought in. Need to turn this around.

Not trading Tarasenko and then letting him walk for nothing would have been indefensible. I'm sure Staios got the highest picks available to him.

Some posters here could have done WAY better and would have given Tank and the entire NHL a take or leave it proposal that would have left the entire NHL shaking and in return Ottawa fleeces a team, but whatever

 

[Byron Bitz]

Man Staios has to get a 2nd for Tank.

 

[Ouroboros]

Bruce suggests the Sens tried to engage Tarasenko in extension talks but the player was having none of it...

Tarasenko was a good soldier and an effective player for the Senators and some are wondering why the organization didn’t just keep him? The reality is the club was willing to have discussions on an extension with his camp, but he had no plans to stay here and wasn’t going to sign.

Unfortunately the situation worked out very poorly, but that's just life as an Ottawa Senators fan.

 

[swiftwin]

Bruce suggests the Sens tried to engage Tarasenko in extension talks but the player was having none of it...


Unfortunately the situation worked out very poorly, but that's just life as an Ottawa Senators fan.

Strange. He was willing to sign for Dorion, but not Staios?

 

[flyingfingers]

Strange. He was willing to sign for Dorion, but not Staios?

He was willing to sign for one season with a full NMC so he could get out of dodge at the deadline with full control over his destination.

Didn't it leak that Dorion offered him a 4x5M deal in July and he turned it down only to circle back when all other offers had dried up?

It's time to look for players that fit into an actual team that can win games. Dorion was a name chaser who wanted TSN.ca headlines, and it failed miserably.

Chychrun needs to go next.

 

[inthewings]

Strange. He was willing to sign for Dorion, but not Staios?

I kind of thought you'd cool it with the bad takes after your unfailing support of Dorion has been proven objectively and hilariously wrong, but here we still are.

 

[HF Reader]

Not trading Tarasenko and then letting him walk for nothing would have been indefensible. I'm sure Staios got the highest picks available to him.

I agree. I doubt Staios turned down a better offer.
Some believe SS could've received more by holding out, negotiating harder, etc. Maybe. I wasn't on any of the (likely numerous) calls he made.

 

[Relapsing]

The thing I can't seem to wrap my head around was what the retention got us in this trade.

Was it the condition on the 4th? The 4th itself? Would we have gotten 2 4ths with no condition without it?

Any thoughts on the value of the retention we provided?

 

[swiftwin]

He was willing to sign for one season with a full NMC so he could get out of dodge at the deadline with full control over his destination.

Didn't it leak that Dorion offered him a 4x5M deal in July and he turned it down only to circle back when all other offers had dried up?

It's time to look for players that fit into an actual team that can win games. Dorion was a name chaser who wanted TSN.ca headlines, and it failed miserably.

Chychrun needs to go next.

Didn't it leak that he turned down an offer with Carolina to sign with us?

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

He was willing to sign for one season with a full NMC so he could get out of dodge at the deadline with full control over his destination.

Didn't it leak that Dorion offered him a 4x5M deal in July and he turned it down only to circle back when all other offers had dried up?

It's time to look for players that fit into an actual team that can win games. Dorion was a name chaser who wanted TSN.ca headlines, and it failed miserably.

Chychrun needs to go next.

You're ignoring that the only people who want to play in Ottawa have ties to the area.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Man Staios has to get a 2nd for Tank.

I don't know how you don't put your foot down and tell a divisional rival that if they want a legit top 6 forward they'll need to give up a late 2nd next season at the very least.

It's an embarrassing return. Signals to the rest of the league that when backed into a corner you'll settle for a crap offer instead of insisting on a fair return.

Doesn't bode well for Chychrun offers.

The thing I can't seem to wrap my head around was what the retention got us in this trade.

Was it the condition on the 4th? The 4th itself? Would we have gotten 2 4ths with no condition without it?

Any thoughts on the value of the retention we provided?

Retaining 50% on a 5M contract as a third team is worth around the 4th round pick we got.

So yeah it was basically Tarasenko for a late 3rd round pick a year from now.

Not a great sign that our rookie GM is up to the job, frankly.

 

[flyingfingers]

You're ignoring that the only people who want to play in Ottawa have ties to the area.

You can focus on drafting. And trade for players who have control. Or go after lower-profile free-agents who fit into the style of game you want to play.

Dorion wanted to run this team like the New York Rangers of the early 2000s: trade for big names and sign big names.

Anyone with a brain could have told him that trading high draft picks for "stars" without term, or signing UFAs to 1-year deals while tying your hands with full NMCs, was a recipe for disaster because, as you point out, this is Ottawa. We don't have neighbourhoods like SOHO or South Beach. Those guys will bolt whenever they can.

Be smart. Hopefully Staios is the opposite of Dorion. Time will tell.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Eh, we probably can't sign Tarasenko without the NMC, I really don't blame Dorion for giving him it.

There is an argument to make that PD could have utilized the cap space to add futures as well as NHL bodies, which has been a valid argument every single summer... but I personally feel that is nitpicking and would not have really been any better than how things have unfolded.

 

[inthewings]

I don't know how you don't put your foot down and tell a divisional rival that if they want a legit top 6 forward they'll need to give up a late 2nd next season at the very least.

It's an embarrassing return. Signals to the rest of the league that when backed into a corner you'll settle for a crap offer instead of insisting on a fair return.

Doesn't bode well for Chychrun offers.



Retaining 50% on a 5M contract as a third team is worth around the 4th round pick we got.

So yeah it was basically Tarasenko for a late 3rd round pick a year from now.

Not a great sign that our rookie GM is up to the job, frankly.

But if the rumours are true and Tank basically forced his way to Florida, and Florida basically responds that they're not that interested and will offer no more than a 3rd + 4th, I'm not sure what else there is to do.

 

[slamigo]

Dorion just keeps screwing over this team. Sigh

 

[flyingfingers]

Didn't it leak that he turned down an offer with Carolina to sign with us?

He turned down a 1-year deal from Carolina, reportedly. Knowing how shrewd the Canes are, and how they value flexibility, they probably had no interest in offering a full NMC.

Going after him was dumb in the first place. Giving him a full NMC, knowing that this team was no sure bet to be in the playoff race and you might be a seller, again, was the cherry on top.

 

[Hale The Villain]

But if the rumours are true and Tank basically forced his way to Florida, and Florida basically responds that they're not that interested and will offer no more than a 3rd + 4th, I'm not sure what else there is to do.

You tell them you'll do it for the 2nd, nothing less.

If they don't budge by Friday, oh well. You tell Tarasenko they aren't offering anything and that if he doesn't agree to waive for another team he'll spend the rest of the year in Ottawa.

Burke did that with Cammalleri in 2014. Teams weren't offering anything for a good player so he said **** you and kept him. Meant a loss of a mid-round pick in the short-term but I guarantee GMs got the message that he's not going to give players away for free.

As a new GM Staios needs to establish that he's not going to get bent over in trades like the previous GM. He did the opposite.

 

[swiftwin]

But if the rumours are true and Tank basically forced his way to Florida, and Florida basically responds that they're not that interested and will offer no more than a 3rd + 4th, I'm not sure what else there is to do.

Strange that people weren't as sympathetic when DeBrincat did the same thing with Detroit. We still got a 1st round pick out of that one.

 

[Golden_Jet]

If this trade were made on Friday afternoon, I would feel differently about it. At that point you truly are down to "light return" or "no return", and I can understand sucking it up and accepting the light return for the reasons you mention (the Dorion handcuffs and goodwill benefits). But 48 hours out from the deadline, there is still a third potential outcome, which is that Florida comes back with a better offer. They might be saying this is last and final, but for Tarasenko at 50% retained, Staois doesn't have to believe them.

By settling for this trade today he banks goodwill with the players, which is absolutely a positive. But he also loses the flexibility of that retention slot (which can be used to get a mid round pick), and he signals to rest of the league that he is a negotiator who'll cave on price rather than walk away if he doesn't get what he considers acceptable.

I would say if Florida was the only destination, If wait Florida might move on to another player, before Friday, then you have nothing I guess.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Eh, we probably can't sign Tarasenko without the NMC, I really don't blame Dorion for giving him it.

The return sucks, I guess we could have threatened to leave him to play out the year in Ottawa, which of course would have just resulted in people complaining that we could have had a second had we only traded him not realizing that the best offer was a 3rd and 4th.

Id have hoped that he'd have been open to a couple options to allow us a decent return, but oh well.

If this is the kind of trash offer we are getting for Chychrun, he isn't getting moved at the deadline.

Let's just hope Florida wins the cup and then we get two thirds. Maybe we can trade those thirds for a 2nd? Who knows how it all pans out. Either way, it was fun while it lasted, but I'm glad to see Tarasenko in another jersey.

 

[bicboi64]

I don't know how you don't put your foot down and tell a divisional rival that if they want a legit top 6 forward they'll need to give up a late 2nd next season at the very least.

It's an embarrassing return. Signals to the rest of the league that when backed into a corner you'll settle for a crap offer instead of insisting on a fair return.

Doesn't bode well for Chychrun offers.



Retaining 50% on a 5M contract as a third team is worth around the 4th round pick we got.

So yeah it was basically Tarasenko for a late 3rd round pick a year from now.

Not a great sign that our rookie GM is up to the job, frankly.

As much as I agree with everything you've posted, I'd rather have some of the picks than nothing. We can't afford to lose players to FA for nothing given how empty our cupboards are