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Traded Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

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jbeck5 said:
For the record, I don't think him picking only Florida is him screwing Ottawa. That's the right he had when he got his NMC.

What I said was the screwing was if he went around telling everyone he would only accept a trade with Florida. That does nothing for him but screws Ottawa.
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I think he is just being upfront with Staios it wouldnt take long for Florida to figure it out. Return sucks, but I am not going to go blame Staios he didnt give him the NMC.

jbeck5 said:
And apparently he only wanted to go to NY last year?

What's different this year?
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Show one source. Did he have a full NMC? You really dont seem to understand what a NMC can do for leverage. He could have said he wasnt going to go to any team.
 
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bert said:
There is no fair price when you have no leverage. They had none. He liked it here with his family. He even said it, he has won a cup already.

If Tarasenko wont waive for any other team and they get nothing for him is that better? How do you know what transpired? Also maybe there is good will here to sign him next year. Another thing you dont know. If he does hold him hostage maybe Tarasenko sours, wont sign here next year and they get nothing.

If you want to blame someone blame Dorion for this. He gave Tarasenko that control, he burned all this teams picks so they have nothing coming down the pipeline. Staios is going to run this like a business and I am glad there is someone here that doesnt react emotionally. To think they had any other choice here is being pretty naive.
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If this trade were made on Friday afternoon, I would feel differently about it. At that point you truly are down to "light return" or "no return", and I can understand sucking it up and accepting the light return for the reasons you mention (the Dorion handcuffs and goodwill benefits). But 48 hours out from the deadline, there is still a third potential outcome, which is that Florida comes back with a better offer. They might be saying this is last and final, but for Tarasenko at 50% retained, Staois doesn't have to believe them.

By settling for this trade today he banks goodwill with the players, which is absolutely a positive. But he also loses the flexibility of that retention slot (which can be used to get a mid round pick), and he signals to rest of the league that he is a negotiator who'll cave on price rather than walk away if he doesn't get what he considers acceptable.
 
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bert said:
I think he is just being upfront with Staios it wouldnt take long for Florida to figure it out. Return sucks, but I am not going to go blame Staios he didnt give him the NMC.


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I won't blame staios, but this is definitely not a win.

That much more pressure for his next move to be a win.

You cant just keep making bad moves because your hands were tied.

For now, I'm letting it slide, as this was dorions's signing.

But the pressure is on. People are waiting to see staios' superior moves to dorions, and so far, this isn't it.

So all eyes are on his next trade or signing. Is he capable of making a couple home run deals to propel this team into a playoff team (and preferably a contender) or is he going to make a bad move for every good move and cancel everything out and stay mediocre.
 
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Senator Stanley said:
By settling for this trade today he banks goodwill with the players, which is absolutely a positive. But he also loses the flexibility of that retention slot (which can be used to get a mid round pick), and he signals to rest of the league that he is a negotiator who'll cave on price rather than walk away if he doesn't get what he considers acceptable.
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Don't we still have 2 retention spots left? We were never going to use up 3 retention spots without one of them being Tarasenko.

Also, maybe contenders didn't really like Tarasenko all that much?
 
BrawlFan said:
Anyone blaming dorion is out to lunch. This is not on him. Same scenario last year Kane. Better return.
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Well, fair to say that Kane was always at a level above Tarasenko. Kane is arguably the greatest US born player ever. Tank is a nice star player. Kane was at or above PPG leading in to that with a real good season the year before whereas Tank was well below PPG.

And the return was mildly better in a 2nd instead of a 3rd, with a 4th still attached. Welinski was just an AHLer. So to me that's simply the difference of getting a better, higher stature player.
 
bert said:
I think he is just being upfront with Staios it wouldnt take long for Florida to figure it out. Return sucks, but I am not going to go blame Staios he didnt give him the NMC.


Show one source. Did he have a full NMC? You really dont seem to understand what a NMC can do for leverage. He could have said he wasnt going to go to any team.
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I most certainly do understand what a NMC does for leverage. Why would you think otherwise?
 
jbeck5 said:
So all eyes are on his next trade or signing. Is he capable of making a couple home run deals to propel this team into a playoff team (and preferably a contender) or is he going to make a bad move for every good move and cancel everything out and stay mediocre.
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Honestly, if that's your expectation you're going to be disappointed. This team is not a couple of moves away from being a contender. Not even a playoff team.

We're in a new "rebuild." The only difference is that Staios and Andlauer won't go on TV every week to say the word "rebuild" as many times as they can, like Dorion did.

Settle in for 2-3 years of slow, methodical building.
 
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Lol Staois was so nervous about making his first trade that he forgot to ask for a prospect.
 
I guess it's disappointing, two third round picks best case.

That being said I still believe this is an attempt to make the organization look classy like it did when Murray traded Fisher to Nashville. But we will have to see this pay off at some point in the future. If you're going to take care of your players then you need them to reward you, you need the image of the organization to become respectable among players. If that doesn't happen, helping out people just makes us a worse team.
 
BonHoonLayneCornell said:
Well, fair to say that Kane was always at a level above Tarasenko. Kane is arguably the greatest US born player ever. Tank is a nice star player. Kane was at or above PPG leading in to that with a real good season the year before whereas Tank was well below PPG.

And the return was mildly better in a 2nd instead of a 3rd, with a 4th still attached. Welinski was just an AHLer. So to me that's simply the difference of getting a better, higher stature player.
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Tank this year is better than Kane last year.
 
Was hoping for more but 2 picks for a player who was here for 60 games isn’t bad.


Not surprised Tank went from one Takchuk to another. Those St Louis ties run veryvery deep
 
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flyingfingers said:
Don't we still have 2 retention spots left? We were never going to use up 3 retention spots without one of them being Tarasenko.

Also, maybe contenders didn't really like Tarasenko all that much?
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No we have one left, we’re using the other on Murray.

Regardless, I don’t know if Chychrun is getting traded til this summer so we don’t have much else to use it for. I don’t see a big issue there.
 
Senator Stanley said:
If this trade were made on Friday afternoon, I would feel differently about it. At that point you truly are down to "light return" or "no return", and I can understand sucking it up and accepting the light return for the reasons you mention (the Dorion handcuffs and goodwill benefits). But 48 hours out from the deadline, there is still a third potential outcome, which is that Florida comes back with a better offer. They might be saying this is last and final, but for Tarasenko at 50% retained, Staois doesn't have to believe them.

By settling for this trade today he banks goodwill with the players, which is absolutely a positive. But he also loses the flexibility of that retention slot (which can be used to get a mid round pick), and he signals to rest of the league that he is a negotiator who'll cave on price rather than walk away if he doesn't get what he considers acceptable.
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They have other players to trade. If Tarasenko says this is it get it over with and move on to the next. Time is also money and friday is coming up quick. I hate the return too, but Staios, Bowness and Poulin are not dumb people. If there was an option for something better they would have taken it.
 
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BrawlFan said:
Tank this year is better than Kane last year.
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Kane had 45 points in 54 games last year. Tarasenko has 41 in 57 this year.

But Kane is a much bigger name, and it's easy to think that GMs would have believed he could take his game up a notch, for a short time, in a new situation.

Tarasenko is what he is. He'll play 14-15 minutes a night in Florida, get some 2nd PP time, and hopefully put up a couple goals in the playoffs.
 
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BrawlFan said:
Tank this year is better than Kane last year.
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Statistically, Kane was actually putting up more in Chicago that year prior to the trade, than Tarasenko did this year, and in a few less games. And I think that's where it's less about the current year. Kane is a sure fire HOFer with a Calder, Hart, Art Ross, Conn Smythe individual trophies to go with the cups. Vlad has nothing on his resume but the 1 cup that he was arguably more secondary to.
 
flyingfingers said:
Honestly, if that's your expectation you're going to be disappointed. This team is not a couple of moves away from being a contender. Not even a playoff team.

We're in a new "rebuild." The only difference is that Staios and Andlauer won't go on TV every week to say the word "rebuild" as many times as they can, like Dorion did.

Settle in for 2-3 years of slow, methodical building.
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Well then, let's hear the plan already... What are they waiting for?

Either way, whether it's in the next year or two or in the next 3-4 years, doesn't change the fact that staios is going to have to hit a couple home run trades or signings to propel this team into contending...and those moves have to start now or soon...so all eyes are on him.

A couple more losses on moves, and regardless of if it's his fault or not, the heat and pressure will be on.

The sens fans won't be patient with another win a trade, lose a trade, win a trade, lose a trade record we had with dorion. There was never progress because every time he won a trade, he followed it up with losing a trade. No gains made.


So staios better have what it takes to win several moves in a row and show some real progress or else fans will lose it saying we got the same shit with another inexperienced/budget GM/president.
 
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