Traded Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

[albator71]

Fire Staois!!! He's Dorion 2.0

 

[jbeck5]

Being "allowed" to talk to him something is meaningless. That's not how it works in reality. If Tarasenko is only willing to waive for FLA, they will easily find that out.

How do they do that without tampering?

And is getting a middle man to do all the talking/investigating a legal way to goa round this?

 

[flyingfingers]

Well, if it was a game of chicken, Staois didn't even start the car.

Maybe Florida already had another deal ready to go and this was their last chance.

It's still a very weak return for a player of his calibre. I think Florida got a steal here.

Tarasenko isn't all that high a calibre of player. Not someone other teams will play chicken about. Don't want to take the offer? Fine, we'll move on. I'd imagine that's what Florida said.

 

[Adrianopolous]

-Get hired for a GM position by your friend
-Stay radio silent for several months
-Complain about needing veterans
-Trade one of your only veterans for jackshit and diddlysquat while retaining 50% of his salary

 

[flyingfingers]

How do they do that without tampering?

And is getting a middle man to do all the talking/investigating a legal way to goa round this?

Any other GM, or "insider", can tell them what Tarasenko wants.

 

[bicboi64]

Yes having a 3rd and 4th in hand is better than nothing, but that is still pathetic. Its Tarasenko's fault for only wanting to go to one spot.

If he wants to come back and sign here, he better give us a damn discount given this utterly shite return.

 

[jbeck5]

There was no other teams.....

I have to negotiate for a living. Once there is no leverage and an expiring timeline you have to take what you can get unfortunately. I hate the return too, but I think people have to understand what type of leverage a full NMC gives a player. A player that has won a Stanley Cup that has a young family. I really think there is a very good chance he comes back next year, I think thats why this trade went down the way it did.

How does a team know whether there's only 1 team in the mix vs 3 in the mix without tampering? Did Tarasenko announce anything anywhere? Why would he purposely screw Ottawa's return by putting it out there that he only wants to go to Florida (I haven't seen this report published)

 

[flyingfingers]

There was no other teams.....

I have to negotiate for a living. Once there is no leverage and an expiring timeline you have to take what you can get unfortunately. I hate the return too, but I think people have to understand what type of leverage a full NMC gives a player. A player that has won a Stanley Cup that has a young family. I really think there is a very good chance he comes back next year, I think thats why this trade went down the way it did.

Ottawa should have no interest in bringing back Tarasenko next year.

 

[Tragedy]

How would they know that? No team is allowed to talk to Tarasenko.

So if staios says to Vegas that Tarasenko is willing to waive for them...surely they might throw together an offer?

And then take that offer and explain to Florida that though Tarasenko prefers you(Florida) he has given us 4 more teams he's willing to waive for...one being Vegas...this is there offer. Are you topping vegas' offer?

How would Florida know that Tarasenko hasn't given Ottawa 3-4 teams he's willing to go to If Florida isn't allowed to talk to Tarasenko?

So you are arguing his first act as GM should be to risk being branded a liar?

Lets say Vegas says, sure I'll do a 2nd and a mid prospect - Steve takes that Florida and they say they won't match and we just...don't trade Vlad to Vegas because he won't waive there? Then what? Lol

This isn't NHL 24, these are people Staios will have to work with in the league for years and years.

Sure, they can't officially talk to Tarasenko but you are pulling the wool over your own eyes if you think an agent or player doesn't hear "whispers" from other agents or players around the league.

 

[Samboni]

The 3rd is a 2nd if Florida wins the Cup

No, it’s a conditional fourth-round pick in this year's draft (which becomes a 2026 third-rounder if the Panthers win the Stanley Cup) and a third-round selection in 2025… and the Sens retain 50%. Ouch!

 

[NyQuil]

Yes having a 3rd and 4th in hand is better than nothing, but that is still pathetic. Its Tarasenko's fault for only wanting to go to one spot.

If he wants to come back and sign here, he better give us a damn discount given this utterly shite return.

Meh, it's never the player's fault when they exert the NMC that a GM has given them.

 

[atmx093]

Holy mother... Tarasenko for a bag of pucks AND we retain half salary??? Shoulda just kept him and let him walk at the end of the season.

Hoping there's a bigger, smarter move coming.

 

[jbeck5]

Any other GM, or "insider", can tell them what Tarasenko wants.

How would another GM know this?

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I f***ing hate Dorion, but I can't even blame him for the NTC because Tank might not have come here without that.

It's an understandable but extremely horrendous return.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

-Get hired for a GM position by your friend
-Stay radio silent for several months
-Complain about needing veterans
-Trade one of your only veterans for jackshit and diddlysquat while retaining 50% of his salary

The return sucks, but what the f*** are we going to do with Tarasenko at this point? Go on another deceiving March/April run before he bolts in the offseason?

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

I wish we held onto him and get absolutely nothing for him instead of trading him within our division. Let's hope we don't meet them in the playoffs this year or this trade may bite us

 

[NyQuil]

Tarasenko isn't all that high a calibre of player. Not someone other teams will play chicken about. Don't want to take the offer? Fine, we'll move on. I'd imagine that's what Florida said.

I take your point, but they would say that regardless in any kind of negotiation.

 

[bert]

Well, if it was a game of chicken, Staois didn't even start the car.

Maybe Florida already had another deal ready to go and this was their last chance.

It's still a very weak return for a player of his calibre. I think Florida got a steal here.

This is accurate, but boy did that NMC f*** the sens. The fact he has already won I really think effected his value. He isnt chasing a cup, he has also had a good season. So its not like he needs to go out and prove it. He is what he is and other teams know it. Perfect storm to give Ottawa no leverage. Another Pierre Dorion special in asset management.

 

[Pavlikovsky]

Being "allowed" to talk to him something is meaningless. That's not how it works in reality. If Tarasenko is only willing to waive for FLA, they will easily find that out.

Unless Staios tells other teams, or Tarasenko outs himself which is a bad look any team trying to get that info could be dinged for collusion.

 

[flyingfingers]

How would another GM know this?

The NHL is not the CIA. People talk.

 

[Dionysus]

Must have been a pretty soft market for Tank unfortunately. Was hoping for a 2nd or a prospect.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

I wish we held onto him and get absolutely nothing for him instead of trading him within our division. Let's hope we don't meet them in the playoffs this year or this trade may bite us

Agreed. Terrible trade considering we are likely to meet Florida in a first-round match-up this year.

 

[Tragedy]

There was no other teams.....

I have to negotiate for a living. Once there is no leverage and an expiring timeline you have to take what you can get unfortunately. I hate the return too, but I think people have to understand what type of leverage a full NMC gives a player. A player that has won a Stanley Cup that has a young family. I really think there is a very good chance he comes back next year, I think thats why this trade went down the way it did.

Tarasenko didn't sign a month after free agency with Ottawa because he wanted to be here lol. He signed because it was the best offer he could get after his agent fumbled free agency. He got a NTC and the ability to decide his future at the deadline if the team stunk.

 

[bert]

I wish we held onto him and get absolutely nothing for him instead of trading him within our division. Let's hope we don't meet them in the playoffs this year or this trade may bite us

Hunh?

Do you actually think with or without Taresenko Ottawa is beating that florida team over 7 games let alone making the playoffs. Their chances are less than .2 %.

I will take the assets over no assets any day.

 

[jbeck5]

So you are arguing his first act as GM should be to risk being branded a liar?

Lets say Vegas says, sure I'll do a 2nd and a mid prospect - Steve takes that Florida and they say they won't match and we just...don't trade Vlad to Vegas because he won't waive there? Then what? Lol

This isn't NHL 24, these are people Staios will have to work with in the league for years and years.

Sure, they can't officially talk to Tarasenko but you are pulling the wool over your own eyes if you think an agent or player doesn't hear "whispers" from other agents or players around the league.

Things fall through all the time. Also, Florida wouldn't know you're lying if Vegas actually offered that.

I think GM's posture a lot more than you think. I would think a GM saying "I have a better offer" has been done 100s of times without actually having a better offer and they're never branded as liars.