Traded Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

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Dorion gave Tarasenko a NMC. He clearly only had 1 team on his list.

Then don’t make the trade or hold out till the deadline and tell Tarasenko he can play it out in ottawa or open up his list to another couple of contenders if he wants to be in a playoff run this year
 
I've always found it funny reading posts here and on Twitter leading up to the deadline... with people talking about Lundell, Luostarinen, Knight... LOL! Or even 1st round picks. Crazy talk.

Tarasenko had a NMC that he would pretty clearly only waive for FLA. And despite how much some Sens fans like him (because he looks decent compared to some of the other shit on this team), other GMs probably don't see him as a surefire top 6 winger in the playoffs. He's depth.

This is what you get when it's a market of one.

I'm not going to judge Staios yet. He's inherited a large pile of manure. It'll take a couple years to fix.

There are reasons why it's a bad trade but it's still a bad trade.
 
Unfortunately Dorion gave this team no choice but to take whatever they can get through his piss poor asset management.

I am all for blaming Dorion for anything and everything he did to this organization, but regardless of the position Dorion put Staois in, there is a certain price point at which I think Staois is better off just saying "no". Yes, you risk no return at all (though there's also a chance Florida comes back around in the next 48 hours and pays up), but at least you start to establish a reputation as a GM who will hold firm on what he feels is a fair price.

The only reason to accept this deal 48 hours out from the deadline is if you're doing Tarasenko a solid, but at 50% retained that's more than just a solid.
 
The League would find a reason to confiscate another first round pick from us.
Lmao probably eh.

And to add to my point, I would never go back on my agreement with Tarasenko to trade him to a contender.

Just knowing this return, I would have played hardball and played teams against each other to try to get a better return.

Even if you miss out and get a worse return, knowing how bad our return was, it would be worth it to try to improve it.
 
There are reasons why it's a bad trade but it's still a bad trade.

I guess, but anyone who thought that a 32-year-old Tarasenko on a 1-year deal with a full NMC was going to yield a future "building block" in a trade was out to lunch.

Everyone needs to buckle up for the eventual Chychrun trade (probably this summer too).

Whatever you as a Sens fan value one of our players at, knock it down 25-50%, and that's what the rest of the league sees them as.
 
And how does that look to future FAs? Clearly he had an understanding that if the team performed poorly this year we'd move him to a contender - you can't exactly say "Not liking the market, we'll just go back on our word if you don't mind"
We probably said something like that, but I doubt they gave him a guarantee he would be traded. Staying with the team that signed you because the market was not good enough is a valid excuse, you just can't word it like that.

He could tell Tarasenko "Florida doesn't think you're worth trading for, we are happy keeping you if you are, but we want to accommodate your request. Are there any other teams you would waive to."
 
I guess, but anyone who thought that a 32-year-old Tarasenko on a 1-year deal with a full NMC was going to yield a future "building block" in a trade was out to lunch.

I think people would understand it a little bit more if it was triggered right at the end of the deadline period.

"Oh well, clearly this is the best they could get." would be the thinking.

What, the worry is that Florida will trade this bounty to someone else in the interim? What could they get from anyone else at this kind of value?

As other players get signed, maybe the price goes up. Maybe Tarasenko opens up his list.

Losing out on a 3rd and a 4th rounder because you waited too long isn't that much of a risk.
 
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Lmao probably eh.

And to add to my point, I would never go back on my agreement with Tarasenko to trade him to a contender.

Just knowing this return, I would have played hardball and played teams against each other to try to get a better return.

Even if you miss out and get a worse return, knowing how bad our return was, it would be worth it to try to improve it.

But if Tarasenko isn't waiving for any other team, and all the other teams know that, why would Florida bid against themselves?
 
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Then don’t make the trade or hold out till the deadline and tell Tarasenko he can play it out in ottawa or open up his list to another couple of contenders if he wants to be in a playoff run this year

I am all for blaming Dorion for anything and everything he did to this organization, but regardless of the position Dorion put Staois in, there is a certain price point at which I think Staois is better off just saying "no". Yes, you risk no return at all (though there's also a chance Florida comes back around in the next 48 hours and pays up), but at least you start to establish a reputation as a GM who will hold firm on what he feels is a fair price.

The only reason to accept this deal 48 hours out from the deadline is if you're doing Tarasenko a solid, but at 50% retained that's more than just a solid.
There is no fair price when you have no leverage. They had none. He liked it here with his family. He even said it, he has won a cup already.

If Tarasenko wont waive for any other team and they get nothing for him is that better? How do you know what transpired? Also maybe there is good will here to sign him next year. Another thing you dont know. If he does hold him hostage maybe Tarasenko sours, wont sign here next year and they get nothing.

If you want to blame someone blame Dorion for this. He gave Tarasenko that control, he burned all this teams picks so they have nothing coming down the pipeline. Staios is going to run this like a business and I am glad there is someone here that doesnt react emotionally. To think they had any other choice here is being pretty naive.
 
I am all for blaming Dorion for anything and everything he did to this organization, but regardless of the position Dorion put Staois in, there is a certain price point at which I think Staois is better off just saying "no". Yes, you risk no return at all (though there's also a chance Florida comes back around in the next 48 hours and pays up), but at least you start to establish a reputation as a GM who will hold firm on what he feels is a fair price.

The only reason to accept this deal 48 hours out from the deadline is if you're doing Tarasenko a solid, but at 50% retained that's more than just a solid.
Staios has the great task of trying to fix Ottawa’s organizational reputation, their long-term outlook and getting them out of the basement asap. There’s a balance to everything, he will have to give and take in some areas at different points. At the end of the day he could’ve made this difficult but then you leave a sour taste in Tarasenko’s mouth and he still controls his destination. It’s not worth it, just take what you can get and go. There will be other ways to upgrade the team.
 
I think people would understand it a little bit more if it was triggered right at the end of the deadline period.

What, the worry is that Florida will trade this bounty to someone else in the interim? What could they get from anyone else at this kind of value?

Probably. They could go out and trade a 3rd and 4th for, let's say Anthony Duclair or Jason Zucker.

There are quite a few 3rd line wingers who can play some 2nd PP available, and not that many buyers.
 
But if Tarasenko isn't waiving for any other team, and all the other teams know that, why would Florida bid against themselves?

How would they know that? No team is allowed to talk to Tarasenko.

So if staios says to Vegas that Tarasenko is willing to waive for them...surely they might throw together an offer?

And then take that offer and explain to Florida that though Tarasenko prefers you(Florida) he has given us 4 more teams he's willing to waive for...one being Vegas...this is there offer. Are you topping vegas' offer?

How would Florida know that Tarasenko hasn't given Ottawa 3-4 teams he's willing to go to If Florida isn't allowed to talk to Tarasenko?
 
Probably. They could go out and trade a 3rd and 4th for, let's say Anthony Duclair or Jason Zucker.

There are quite a few 3rd line wingers who can play some 2nd PP available, and not that many buyers.

Well, if it was a game of chicken, Staois didn't even start the car.

Maybe Florida already had another deal ready to go and this was their last chance.

It's still a very weak return for a player of his calibre. I think Florida got a steal here.
 
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I am all for blaming Dorion for anything and everything he did to this organization, but regardless of the position Dorion put Staois in, there is a certain price point at which I think Staois is better off just saying "no". Yes, you risk no return at all (though there's also a chance Florida comes back around in the next 48 hours and pays up), but at least you start to establish a reputation as a GM who will hold firm on what he feels is a fair price.

The only reason to accept this deal 48 hours out from the deadline is if you're doing Tarasenko a solid, but at 50% retained that's more than just a solid.
The only "solid" here..is the solid STOOL SPECIMEN that is this trade. 💩 I knew those Dubas hornrim glasses were a bad sign. And Poulin is clearly adding ZERO in savvy. My grandmother could make a better trade ( = no trade FFS)
 
How would they know that? No team is allowed to talk to Tarasenko.

So if staios says to Vegas that Tarasenko is willing to waive for them...surely they might throw together an offer?

And then take that offer and explain to Florida that though Tarasenko prefers you(Florida) he has given us 4 more teams he's willing to waive for...one being Vegas...this is there offer. Are you topping vegas' offer?

How would Florida know that Tarasenko hasn't given Ottawa 3-4 teams he's willing to go to If Florida isn't allowed to talk to Tarasenko?

Being "allowed" to talk to him something is meaningless. That's not how it works in reality. If Tarasenko is only willing to waive for FLA, they will easily find that out.
 
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Lmao probably eh.

And to add to my point, I would never go back on my agreement with Tarasenko to trade him to a contender.

Just knowing this return, I would have played hardball and played teams against each other to try to get a better return.

Even if you miss out and get a worse return, knowing how bad our return was, it would be worth it to try to improve it.
There was no other teams.....

I have to negotiate for a living. Once there is no leverage and an expiring timeline you have to take what you can get unfortunately. I hate the return too, but I think people have to understand what type of leverage a full NMC gives a player. A player that has won a Stanley Cup that has a young family. I really think there is a very good chance he comes back next year, I think thats why this trade went down the way it did.
 
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