Traded Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

Bileur

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Seems like a good gamble on the one year deal.

Barring a suspension, and presuming we find a way to sign Pinto, this goes a long way to fixing the depth issue.
 
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Thank f***

How do we know it's even true or just another way to criticize management, the team or city they don't like or click bait? It could be someone's opinion & not fact at all & as always they don't name the source. Was it one of the Mann brothers? I'm not a fan of Dorion, but this is a good signing for this team, unfortunately some always find a way to create a negative spin regarding this team even when there is good news & want to see this team fail. I give it :thumbd::thumbd:down.
 
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Right, his plan is to have a bounce back year and be worth more than 5.5 for the next deal with some term

Taking the short term deal here but rejecting the long deal just speaks to that. Coming here over more money in SJ AND Carolina suggests it's more about opportunity than location or money at the moment, there's no reason to assume he doesn't want to be here long term, he just wants to first leverage a good year into negotiations for whatever deal he's on, here or otherwise.

He's not like Giroux, who specially wants to be here, but I don't think he specifically doesn't want to be here either. There is the possibility that he does have a specific landing spot in mind but they won't have the cap space till next year
If Tarasenko ends up playing on either top line really but let's say with Norris & Batherson we know that Batherson is an excellent puck distributor & playmaker & will get him the puck often in scoring positions & that will help him put up a lot of points. Norris was very good at draws before he got hurt which goes to puck possession & has an excellent shot so he will likely put up some decent pts which should help Tarasenko put up a lot of assists too. The 2nd line will likely challenge the top line in scoring game in & game out & they could even mix & match these six guys. If Tarasenko plays the right side we could have the best right side since Alfredsson, Hossa & Havlat with Giroux, Tarasenko & Batherson.
 

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How do we know it's even true or just another way to criticize management, the team or city they don't like or click bait? It could be someone's opinion & not fact at all & as always they don't name the source. Was it one of the Mann brothers? I'm not a fan of Dorion, but this is a good signing for this team, unfortunately some always find a way to create a negative spin regarding this team even when there is good news & want to see this team fail. I give it :thumbd::thumbd:down.
no... It could be 100% accurate.

The Sens offer a 4y x 5.5 M. He assumes there are better offers out there. There isn't!!! He doubles back. They say: that was last month.

SJ at 6 M may have been on July 1 and later got pulled.
Ditto for Carolina

Players can overplay their hand.
 

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no... It could be 100% accurate.

The Sens offer a 4y x 5.5 M. He assumes there are better offers out there. There isn't!!! He doubles back. They say: that was last month.

SJ at 6 M may have been on July 1 and later got pulled.
Ditto for Carolina

Players can overplay their hand.
Yep, just look at Klingberg last summer
 

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Another (hopefully) peripheral benefit to this signing... maybe we can keep both firsts for next year and start to restock the prospect pool. The roster looks good, we've spent wisely. But we need to replenish the system for coming years now.
 

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no... It could be 100% accurate.

The Sens offer a 4y x 5.5 M. He assumes there are better offers out there. There isn't!!! He doubles back. They say: that was last month.

SJ at 6 M may have been on July 1 and later got pulled.
Ditto for Carolina

Players can overplay their hand.
The key word there being "could" it "could" also not be true, we don't know, but I agree it does happen & my guess is we may never know.
 

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no... It could be 100% accurate.

The Sens offer a 4y x 5.5 M. He assumes there are better offers out there. There isn't!!! He doubles back. They say: that was last month.

SJ at 6 M may have been on July 1 and later got pulled.
Ditto for Carolina

Players can overplay their hand.
Or if it true, maybe agent didn’t tell him, and then fired him after.
 

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its more than likely that Tarasenko didnt want to commit here long term and wants to use us as a spring board going into the summer where the cap is set to raise and he gets a retirement contract with a place he wants to go. 5.5 mill somewhere else outside of canada will go further

Pretty much what Bertuzzi is doing with Toronto
 

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Offered Debrincat and Tarasenko term to be pure offense guys in the top 6. Makes me think they'll still be big game hunting going into next summer for an offensive winger to lock up for 3-4 years.
 

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How do we know it's even true or just another way to criticize management, the team or city they don't like or click bait? It could be someone's opinion & not fact at all & as always they don't name the source. Was it one of the Mann brothers? I'm not a fan of Dorion, but this is a good signing for this team, unfortunately some always find a way to create a negative spin regarding this team even when there is good news & want to see this team fail. I give it :thumbd::thumbd:down.
Does Andy Strickland hate the team? I have no idea

Offered Debrincat and Tarasenko term to be pure offense guys in the top 6. Makes me think they'll still be big game hunting going into next summer for an offensive winger to lock up for 3-4 years.
Well with batherson not there tarasenko not there and giroux retiring in one year yeah we will need to go big game hunting
 

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Rundblad was not exactly a sure thing to be in the lineup any sooner, Dmen generally take longer, he hadn't exploded yet so he was still viewed as needing lots of development only having been drafted one year earlier

We were after Schwartz in that draft, he wasn't a regular for 3 seasons anyways, and took another season to be an impact player. I doubt very much wanting a player much sooner than three seasons after draft had any impact on the decision,
Tarasenko was drafted in 2010, and was NHL ready at the time, but did not play in the NHL until 2013, after his KHL season was done

Rundblad played for the Sens in 2011, and after 24 games was swapped for Kyle Turris, and he stepped into the Sens lineup…. In late 2011 if I remember correctly…… so Ottawa ended up with a player(s) in their line up for approximately 2 seasons before Tarasenko played in the NHL.
 

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It’s a no lose contract.

It’s not like we traded away a ton to get him like DBC. That was a highly probable loss scenario.

This is a 1 year deal at a slightly expensive contract.

We do well, we are happy.

We do poorly, that sucks, but we trade Taresenko for a late 1st. We’re happy.
 

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Or if it true, maybe agent didn’t tell him, and then fired him after.
the two greatest examples in sports history
1) Bobby Orr and the Eagle and the Bruins/Blackhawks in 1977
2) Freddie Freeman of the Dodgers and Atlanta/LA in 2021.

WAAAHHH if true, Tara cannot be happy.
 

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Tarasenko was drafted in 2010, and was NHL ready at the time, but did not play in the NHL until 2013, after his KHL season was done

Rundblad played for the Sens in 2011, and after 24 games was swapped for Kyle Turris, and he stepped into the Sens lineup…. In late 2011 if I remember correctly…… so Ottawa ended up with a player(s) in their line up for approximately 2 seasons before Tarasenko played in the NHL.
Rundblad was still very much an unknown at the time he was traded for, he exploded and had a break out season in 2010-11 after the trade, and yes he played 24 games a year after (2011-12). There was no way to predict at the time of the trade he'd have been ready for NHL games two seasons later, or his value would skyrocket the way it did allowing us to acquire Turris.

Tarasenko was player for the Blues the season after that (12-13) the same year our draft target in Schwartz played significant games (he'd played 7 a year earlier). Again, he was ready on the same schedule as Schwartz who we were well known to be after and pulled the trigger on the rundblad trade after he came off the board.

So unless Murray was a clairvoyant and could predict the future, it's highly unlikely that us wanting somebody capable of stepping into the lineup quicker was a factor, particularly when drafting at the 16 slot/trading for a player picked a year earlier in the 17 slot who had yet to make any major strides in his game.
 

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Is he even good defensively or else we will see another train-wreck when he is paired with Batherson?

So, we replaced an aging 30 goal scorer with a young dynamic 40 goal scorer. Lets see how this one goes
 

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I think we have plenty of depth players, in Belleville there will be Jarventie, Ostapchuk, Reinhardt, Chartier, Boucher, Crookshank, Thompson, Guennette, Heatherington, Larsson, Sogaard & Merilainen. A number of these guys were called up last yr & some did alright for short periods of time, afterall with all the injuries they had last yr some of these guys helped this team get fairly close to a playoff spot. Depth players are for short periods of time as injury replacements & that's what the minor league team is for, I don't think they need those two. IMO I think this team needs Kleven more than Brannstrom, he makes our team bigger, tougher & much harder to play against, I think Sokolov has more offensive potential than Joseph has shown. And then there is the cap situation & who would you prefer to lose off the roster to make some salary cap space?
There's a substantial difference between minor league depth and NHL depth, not only that, having great minor league depth still doesn't negate that having more depth at the NHL level is still better than not having it, so getting rid of Joseph and Brannstrom does nothing to make us a playoff team that can contend.

As for the cap situation, that's a completely different question, however we don't need to get rid of both to fit Pinto's next contract, and there are other potential options like reacquiring Matt Murray's LTIR contract opening up cap relief for the 1.5 we currently retain, that could allow us to move forward without trading either.
 

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There's a substantial difference between minor league depth and NHL depth, not only that, having great minor league depth still doesn't negate that having more depth at the NHL level is still better than not having it, so getting rid of Joseph and Brannstrom does nothing to make us a playoff team that can contend.

As for the cap situation, that's a completely different question, however we don't need to get rid of both to fit Pinto's next contract, and there are other potential options like reacquiring Matt Murray's LTIR contract opening up cap relief for the 1.5 we currently retain, that could allow us to move forward without trading either.
I'm really liking this re-acquiring Murray idea. For how bad we got screwed on that contract, it'd be a nice final silver lining.
 
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Murray is owed 8mill something tells me Ottawa won't do that
 

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