Player Discussion Vitali Kravtsov - Signed 2-Year Deal with Traktor Chelyabinsk

[me2]

Kid needs some Viagra.

Kravtsov to Kravthard?

 

[decma]

Even 1 or 2 might be an overestimate: Beauvillier, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Boeser, Garland, Joshua, Di Giuseppe, Pearson, Kuzmenko, Hoglander, Kravtsov, Studnicka

That's 12 names for ~9 spots. Even if Pearson is LTIRetired and one of the high salary wingers is moved, there's still no room for Kravtsov.

Kuzmenko is on the list twice. I think there is a high chance Pearson is LTIR'd.

So 10 guys for 9 spots. 9 for 9 if Boeser or Garland is traded with no winger coming back.

I am not a big fan, but I think he might be back.

 

[MS]

Even 1 or 2 might be an overestimate: Beauvillier, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Boeser, Garland, Joshua, Di Giuseppe, Pearson, Kuzmenko, Hoglander, Kravtsov, Studnicka

That's 12 names for ~9 spots. Even if Pearson is LTIRetired and one of the high salary wingers is moved, there's still no room for Kravtsov.

Yeah. I was just comparing him to the other fringe guys his age, but we're deep on the wings and there isn't going to be a lot of room even for guys like Hoglander and Podkolzin who are theoretically higher up the totem pole.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us add another bottom-6 PK winger to the mix in the summer, too.

 

[Brookbank]

Nichuchkin put up 34 points in his first season as an 18 year old the proceeded to have another campaign putting up similar totals before bolting to Russia. It was evident Nichuchkin had the dynamic skill and showed it in his first few seasons but didn't have the mental maturity early on.

Kravtsov just isn't very good to be a viable option in a top 6 role.

Nich had no goals in 57 games in 2018/19 and was bought out.

 

[Brookbank]

Fair enough. However, they were in talks with NY for over a year. I cant them not qualifying him.

I think they will build a summer plan for him, and see if he can stick.

He's been pretty disappointing though, I do agree on that point.

But the talent is there and that never really goes away. It is the guys with that talent that you give up on that will kill you. We did that with Micheal Grabner. Should have dumped Raymond instead. But Raymond was a good ol boy who was always in perfect shape. But he didn't have the talent

 

[ChilliBilly]

Even 1 or 2 might be an overestimate: Beauvillier, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Boeser, Garland, Joshua, Di Giuseppe, Pearson, Kuzmenko, Hoglander, Kravtsov, Studnicka

That's 12 names for ~9 spots. Even if Pearson is LTIRetired and one of the high salary wingers is moved, there's still no room for Kravtsov.

Interesting take. How in the world do you leave Podkolzin off this list, and put Kuzmenko on it? Just curious. And there is rumour (probably baseless) that all of Miller Boeser and Garland are available at the right price. I think the first 5 mentioned, and Podkolzin, are all pretty much locks next year, + EP and Miller of course. Baring trades, the other 6 + whatever new shiny prospects comes in, are fighting for 5 - 6 spots as regulars and bench sitters. And you left out Aman, and McDonough, who are legitimately in the conversation for these spots.

But your original comment is valid ... there is a bunch of competition by 10 - 12 guys for 6 spots.

Edit - Crap. Left out Raty, who really should be in the take too, though at this point a long shot. Real long shots, Bains and Klimovich.

 

[VanJack]

You can see Kravstov has all the talent in the world.......but conditioning looks to be a huge problem. Late in his shift he's just bagged.

I imagine Tocchet will lay down the law......spend the next four months in intense training and conditioning, and report to camp ripped and ready.

He's already hinted darkly what will happen to players to aren't in shape at the start of training camp next September. It'll be the waiver wire and an early exit to Abbotsford.

 

[RobertKron]

But the talent is there and that never really goes away. It is the guys with that talent that you give up on that will kill you. We did that with Micheal Grabner. Should have dumped Raymond instead. But Raymond was a good ol boy who was always in perfect shape. But he didn't have the talent

Good grief. The Canucks heading into the 2010-11 season aren't going to dump Mason Raymond, a solid versatile middle-six winger who was coming off a 25g50p season to make room for Michael Grabner, who went on to not even make the Florida Panthers and get waived out of camp. That would have been an absolute f***ing disaster.

 

[wetcoast]

Nich had no goals in 57 games in 2018/19 and was bought out.

So are teams really going to string out things with guys like Kratsov in case he is the exception that proves the rule?

Kratsov just isn't part of our future IMO.

 

[credulous]

the canucks have too many 'what ifs' in podkolzin, hoglander and aman to carry kravtsov too

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

the canucks have too many 'what ifs' in podkolzin, hoglander and aman to carry kravtsov too

All young players with good upside..there's nothing wrong with that...Way too early to start jumping to rash conclusions..The Sedins were 'what if's' for a number of years.

Having said that..Kravstsov is going to have to come to camp in September, and earn himself a spot..He will be given that opportunity..He will either take advantage of it (because its probably his last shot at the NHL) or he wont.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

What do expect, when the Canucks play Kravstsov on the wing and want him to seal the boards and put the puck out of the glass like a "Lucic", when the best he has ever played is at CENTRE.

 

[RobertKron]

All young players with good upside..there's nothing wrong with that...Way too early to start jumping to rash conclusions..The Sedins were 'what if's' for a number of years.

Having said that..Kravstsov is going to have to come to camp in September, and earn himself a spot..He will be given that opportunity..He will either take advantage of it (because its probably his last shot at the NHL) or he wont.

Oh brother

 

[Brookbank]

the canucks have too many 'what ifs' in podkolzin, hoglander and aman to carry kravtsov too

Podz and Hogs aren't what ifs. But Kravtsov is

 

[Brookbank]

Good grief. The Canucks heading into the 2010-11 season aren't going to dump Mason Raymond, a solid versatile middle-six winger who was coming off a 25g50p season to make room for Michael Grabner, who went on to not even make the Florida Panthers and get waived out of camp. That would have been an absolute f***ing disaster.

That is such a load of tripe. Some of us could see that Raymond wasn't talented and was one dimensional. That took every ounce of his being to get 25 goals. It wasn't about making room. Gillis was making a trade to get Keith Ballard and he should have shipped off Raymond instead of Grabner.

Just because Florida dropped the ball and was clueless too isn't an excuse. The same thing happened with Jared Mccan.

Oh brother

Not "oh brother". There was serious questions and concerns about the Sedins.

 

[strattonius]

That is such a load of tripe. Some of us could see that Raymond wasn't talented and was one dimensional. That took every ounce of his being to get 25 goals. It wasn't about making room. Gillis was making a trade to get Keith Ballard and he should have shipped off Raymond instead of Grabner.

Just because Florida dropped the ball and was clueless too isn't an excuse. The same thing happened with Jared Mccan.


Not "oh brother". There was serious questions and concerns about the Sedins.

Raymond was an excellent 3rd liner. He had great speed and hands and was always responsible in his own zone. He was a big part of that 2011 team's success.

Don't know why you're dumping on him to be honest. Won't support that nonsense.

 

[Raistlin]

they will give Kravtsov a one year prove it deal, mark it. It'll be up to his off season training, if he cannot get his behind in gear, hes booking a one way ticket home.

 

[RobertKron]

That is such a load of tripe. Some of us could see that Raymond wasn't talented and was one dimensional. That took every ounce of his being to get 25 goals. It wasn't about making room. Gillis was making a trade to get Keith Ballard and he should have shipped off Raymond instead of Grabner.

Just because Florida dropped the ball and was clueless too isn't an excuse. The same thing happened with Jared Mccan.


Not "oh brother". There was serious questions and concerns about the Sedins.

Grabner was cut by the Panthers, and then spent the first half or so of the season doing shit all with the Islanders until he eventually figured things out, which he would have done anyway because he'd have been on waivers all the same coming out of camp with the Canucks. What an absolutely terrible take.

By the time they were Kravtsov's age, both Sedins had put up like 150 points in the NHL. The question was where their ceiling was, not if they were even NHL players.

 

[alternate]

Problem with Kratsov is he plays with the intensity of a pre-game skate.

If he'll sign his QO and commit to the kind of offseason Tocchet is preaching, great. If not and he goes back to the KHL, fine.

 

[Peen]

how people evaluate prime mason raymond is easily top three among my qualifiers of whether or not i think someone’s probably got good hockey takes

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

That is such a load of tripe. Some of us could see that Raymond wasn't talented and was one dimensional. That took every ounce of his being to get 25 goals. It wasn't about making room. Gillis was making a trade to get Keith Ballard and he should have shipped off Raymond instead of Grabner.

Just because Florida dropped the ball and was clueless too isn't an excuse. The same thing happened with Jared Mccan.


Not "oh brother". There was serious questions and concerns about the Sedins.

Grabner had 27 goals once and was the definition of one dimensional, even looking at his stats you can see that. Also Raymond was a great 2 way player. I don't know what your talking about here, if Raymond hadn't broken his back he would have had a decent career too unlike Granber who went from team to team to team.

Mccann went through what 3 teams after us, yah we should have kept him but we weren't alone in our evaluation of him and by all accounts he was a shitty person in the locker room.

The Sedin't were in no way comparable to Krav, like at all.

Sounds like you need to do some more research here.

 

[Cancuks]

Put him on the first line for a couple of games to at least see if he can show glimpses of something. He hasn't earned it but I want to see if he has what it takes.

 

[bossram]

I see the discourse over the Allvin "fleecing" to get Kravstov is going well.

It was a decent, no-risk medium-upside bet. But I really was not high on Kravstov at all before the trade (and evidently every other NHL team agreed).

It's not just the work rate/conditioning. I honestly don't think he's that skilled. He can make some nice moves or snipe in open ice if he has tons of space, but that's not the reality of the NHL. He has poor edges, isn't great at picking pucks up off the boards, or using some combo of hands + size to make a move off the wall. He's not great at playing in the part of the ice where 80% of the play happens.

 

[timw33]

The 7th we paid was worth taking the attempt on a reclamation project. Clearly hasn't been a good fit and there's not much more to this player so I expect them to not tender the QO. All good.

 

[MS]

Not "oh brother". There was serious questions and concerns about the Sedins.

The Sedins were always competent middle-6 NHL forwards at their worst. Daniel scored 20 goals as a rookie and 54 points in the season where he's the same age Kravtsov is this year.

The questions/concerns about the Sedins in their first couple years were 'will these guys every be the sort of front-line star-level players to justify their draft position or just kind of disappointing ok 2nd line players'. That's a TOTALLY different thing from a guy like Kravtsov not looking like any sort of NHL player in his draft+5. It would take a miracle right now for Kravtsov to get to 'ok 2nd liner' status.