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Player Discussion Vitali Kravtsov - Signed 2-Year Deal with Traktor Chelyabinsk

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CherryToke said:
Shades of Goldoblin
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Kravtsov seems to be another in the long line of Canucks reclamation projects...usually draft picks for young players that were once high picks ...to see if they can find their stride in Vancouver...and I have have a feeling he will end up a nothing like most all before him have including Goldobin.

This year we already have Strudinka as well as Kravtsov.

Other teams are doing it successfully though. You only have to look at Daniel Sprong, and Eeli Tolvanen in Seattle this year.
 
Cupless44 said:
Kravtsov seems to be another in the long line of Canucks reclamation projects...usually draft picks for young players that were once high picks ...to see if they can find their stride in Vancouver...and I have have a feeling he will end up a nothing like most all before him have including Goldobin.

This year we already have Strudinka as well as Kravtsov.

Other teams are doing it successfully though. You only have to look at Daniel Sprong, and Eeli Tolvanen in Seattle this year.
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I've liked Kravtsov though, he drives play unlike those other guys. The points aren't coming but he's honestly been a pretty good all-round player who even if the scoring doesn't can be useful in a secondary role.
 
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Valeri Nichuchkin 2.0. We will probably give up on him at some point. Then he'll get a little older and sign a league minimum deal and have a career. Bigger guys take longer but nobody wants to wait
 
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Brookbank said:
Valeri Nichuchkin 2.0. We will probably give up on him at some point. Then he'll get a little older and sign a league minimum deal and have a career. Bigger guys take longer but nobody wants to wait
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Nichuchkin put up 34 points in his first season as an 18 year old the proceeded to have another campaign putting up similar totals before bolting to Russia. It was evident Nichuchkin had the dynamic skill and showed it in his first few seasons but didn't have the mental maturity early on.

Kravtsov just isn't very good to be a viable option in a top 6 role.
 
MS said:
I’ve kind of seen enough and wouldn’t be continuing to use a contract slot on him.
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I'm of the same mind but i assume the organization with qualify him. If he accepts he accepts. If he doesn't then he doesn't. I don't think they will have any interest in signing him to any sort of multi-year deal. Qualifier or gone.
 
Bgav said:
lol canucks obviously would have a summer plan for him. You don't go after someone for as long as they did just to give up
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They basically got him for free, gave him a big chance, and he’s been crap. And it doesn’t look like the coach likes him much or he fits what they’re trying to do.

I’d think it’s far more likely than not that he’s in the KHL next year.
 
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I would give him a 1 year deal (even a 1 way at 800k) to give him a chance to spend 5 months getting serious about a NHL career but unfortunately unlike Podkolzin Hoglander PDG Baines he's doubtfully gonna be able to grind out playing on a 3rd or 4th line to earn more ice time.

If he turns a corner great but if not he goes on waivers. If he wont go to Abbotsford or gets picked up then bye.

My concern would be that he has a pre season spike that makes the coaching staff give him a roster spot and then he just regresses back to what were watching then he costs a other asset that gets picked up going to Abbotsford.
 
MS said:
They basically got him for free, gave him a big chance, and he’s been crap. And it doesn’t look like the coach likes him much or he fits what they’re trying to do.

I’d think it’s far more likely than not that he’s in the KHL next year.
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Fair enough. However, they were in talks with NY for over a year. I cant them not qualifying him.

I think they will build a summer plan for him, and see if he can stick.

He's been pretty disappointing though, I do agree on that point.
 
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I think he has screwed up his own development by not going to the AHL when he was younger.

I do think he could become a really good player, but the problem is most teams don't have a spot to develop him into that. To give the roster spot to him. I do think he is probably years away at this point.
 
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I'd probably use the last few games to try Kravstov with Pettersson or Miller at centre, or give him a look at centre. He's basically been saddled with Dries at centre this entire time, who struggles to get pucks moving out of the defensive zone.
 
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His spot should be up for grabs in the next training camp. If he doesn't come back with more of a killer instinct, adios.
 
like I said at the time we acquired him, he's soft.

Easier to tame a wild horse than to get one going.

traded basically nothing for nothing.
 
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Gurn said:
The thing about Kravtsov is he was brought here by the new management team. That means, to many on here, that he is automatically better than anyone brought in by Benning.
However , if you pretend that Vitali was a Benning decision, it looks like another 'meh' outcome.
This is also true of how, many, look at the other 'meh' guys.
Joshua?- whatever
Aman- same thing.
Studnicka- ditto
Scrub replacement level players are just that- no matter who signed them.
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this is wildly off
 
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He's a reclamation project..pretty unlikely they cut him loose after 13 games....There's a support system here, of 3 Russian players, and a Russian coach.

I'm sure the coaching staff have a bit more patience than some of the fanbase does.
 
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Pastor Of Muppetz said:
He's a reclamation project..pretty unlikely they cut him loose after 13 games....There's a support system here, of 3 Russian players, and a Russian coach.

I'm sure the coaching staff have a bit more patience than some of the fanbase does.
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Yes, but this needs to be weighed against the cost of keeping him which is based on what they can give him, and what he can give the team, with what his contract ask is.
 
racerjoe said:
Yes, but this needs to be weighed against the cost of keeping him which is based on what they can give him, and what he can give the team, with what his contract ask is.
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Problem for him is that he’s kind of caught in a numbers game.

Team has Hoglander (2000) and Podkolzin (2001) ahead of Kravtsov (1999) - the team has a lot more invested in both those players, both are younger, both have had more NHL success. There isn’t room for all 3 on the NHL roster next year. But then you have Bains (2001) who is flying up the organizational ladder with a better 2-way game then any of these guys and McDonough (1999) has entered the chat as well.

That’s a lot of similar-aged wingers competing for only 1 or 2 roster spots next year and playing well now is Kravtsov’s best chance to get ahead of the rest. He hasn’t … and I don’t really know where you go forward with him from here.

It’s hard to imagine him winning a job in camp next year without a total 180 in his compete level and he isn’t going to the AHL if he doesn’t.
 
MS said:
That’s a lot of similar-aged wingers competing for only 1 or 2 roster spots next year and playing well now is Kravtsov’s best chance to get ahead of the rest. He hasn’t … and I don’t really know where you go forward with him from here.
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Even 1 or 2 might be an overestimate: Beauvillier, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Boeser, Garland, Joshua, Di Giuseppe, Pearson, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Kravtsov, Studnicka

That's 12 names for ~9 spots. Even if Pearson is LTIRetired and one of the high salary wingers is moved, there's still no room for Kravtsov.
 
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racerjoe said:
I think he has screwed up his own development by not going to the AHL when he was younger.

I do think he could become a really good player, but the problem is most teams don't have a spot to develop him into that. To give the roster spot to him. I do think he is probably years away at this point.
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I said for a while that is where he should have tried to develop his game, confidence and body. He did not want to play in the AHL. It is not too late but he has to be willing.
 
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Burke's Evil Spirit said:
Even 1 or 2 might be an overestimate: Beauvillier, Kuzmenko, Mikheyev, Boeser, Garland, Joshua, Di Giuseppe, Pearson, Kuzmenko, Hoglander, Kravtsov, Studnicka

That's 12 names for ~9 spots. Even if Pearson is LTIRetired and one of the high salary wingers is moved, there's still no room for Kravtsov.
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This is basically the issue. and i get Kuz the 2nd time is supposed to be Podkolzin

He hasn't leaped anyone and in fact i would say Studnicka has actually moved past him and provides more utility in that he can play wing and C for that 13/14 spot and i bet Tocchet likes his stiffness more.

The only way he cracks is if he goes ballistic in his training and they move 1 of Beauvillier/Boeser/Garland and they have some injury issues at camp.

Would love to see it differently.
 
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