Value of: Vince Dunn

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

I'd part with the later of AZ/VAN 1st's for Dunn + Bozak without batting an eye.

 

[malcb33]

I'd part with the later of AZ/VAN 1st's for Dunn + Bozak without batting an eye.

If I was the STL GM I would take that and run, which likely means you're not using your leverage in this situation.

I know a lot of posters seem to think they can flick Allen or Bozak off for a low draft pick or something without taking money back, but with the poor economic outlook, flat cap and the expansion draft looming it will make it a fair bit more difficult to trade cap dumps/ replaceable players. We have yet to see how the market prices for the off-season, but I'm willing to bet moving cap without taking money back will be more difficult than in previous off-seasons. If this happens, GM's with cap space will have more leverage than before and would be wise to use that leverage.

Now of course, if NJ sees Dunn as a major target and there is a bidding war, maybe the price gets pushed up to a first, it's possible but I think he goes for less depending on how things play out.

 

[Beauterham]

I'm sure the Blues and other teams who have cap issues with players to sign are looking to make moves on draft day (before free agency). Teams with cap space and willing to take on salary have to decide if they want to do this on draft day or wait for better offers cause GM's get desperate. Draft day should be interesting with this flat cap. Habs would be interested in Dunn, Leddy and Brodin (with extension) as our LD option. We have not had a decent back-up to Price in many years so if the Blues want to move Dunn and Allen to clear out space in one move... Habs are your team.

Pieces on the table... not all parts but a package of this is what we can offer
- Blues 2nd
- Maybe the Blackhawks 2nd but more likely we offer multiple 4th's or our 3rd.
- Mete
- Kulak
- Ikonen
- Olofsson

We've had this conversation before with other Hab fans... Other teams, for example: the Devils, are willing to offer a lot more for Dunn (+no capdump). If you guys are really serious in making an offer you really should do better.

Blues and Hawks 2nd's could be low picks (can be included, but shouldn't be the main piece coming back). Mete and Kulak aren't any better then Mikkola, Perunovich and Walman. Ikonen hasn't played a game all year. Olofsson is just... 'meh'. I don't see what the Blues get out of all of this.

 

[UK Canuck]

I'd be all Dunn for Vancouver tbh, he's one of the more underrated defenseman in the league

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

If I was the STL GM I would take that and run, which likely means you're not using your leverage in this situation.

I know a lot of posters seem to think they can flick Allen or Bozak off for a low draft pick or something without taking money back, but with the poor economic outlook, flat cap and the expansion draft looming it will make it a fair bit more difficult to trade cap dumps/ replaceable players. We have yet to see how the market prices for the off-season, but I'm willing to bet moving cap without taking money back will be more difficult than in previous off-seasons. If this happens, GM's with cap space will have more leverage than before and would be wise to use that leverage.

Now of course, if NJ sees Dunn as a major target and there is a bidding war, maybe the price gets pushed up to a first, it's possible but I think he goes for less depending on how things play out.

what about something like

VAN or ARZ 1st

for

Dunn
Bozak
STL 3rd

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

If I was the STL GM I would take that and run, which likely means you're not using your leverage in this situation.

I know a lot of posters seem to think they can flick Allen or Bozak off for a low draft pick or something without taking money back, but with the poor economic outlook, flat cap and the expansion draft looming it will make it a fair bit more difficult to trade cap dumps/ replaceable players. We have yet to see how the market prices for the off-season, but I'm willing to bet moving cap without taking money back will be more difficult than in previous off-seasons. If this happens, GM's with cap space will have more leverage than before and would be wise to use that leverage.

Now of course, if NJ sees Dunn as a major target and there is a bidding war, maybe the price gets pushed up to a first, it's possible but I think he goes for less depending on how things play out.

If we can get him cheaper, even better.

I just wanted to sidestep the waterfall of shit that almost always arises when a fan of Team X cites the leverage it has with respect to Team Y when trying to acquire one of Team Y’s good players.

 

[Beauterham]

what about something like

VAN or ARZ 1st

for

Dunn
Bozak
STL 3rd

Not saying I'll agree to a deal yet, but we can clearly see that the Blues and Devils would make good trading partners if we're forced to move Dunn.

 

[sfvega]

We've had this conversation before with other Hab fans... Other teams, for example: the Devils, are willing to offer a lot more for Dunn (+no capdump). If you guys are really serious in making an offer you really should do better.

Blues and Hawks 2nd's could be low picks (can be included, but shouldn't be the main piece coming back). Mete and Kulak aren't any better then Mikkola, Perunovich and Walman. Ikonen hasn't played a game all year. Olofsson is just... 'meh'. I don't see what the Blues get out of all of this.

It's the same Montreal fan who was offering trash for Tarasenko at the beginning of last year. He's not very realistic. He's not very realistic.

I was telling other Blues fans at the start of the year that we had to pay to move Allen. But being that he is now gonna be in the last year of his contract, he had a very good season, and that we have the expansion draft coming up, he's no longer a negative value. Teams can get a solid back-up, not have to worry about protecting him. Detroit I feel like would be a good landing spot for Allen and Dunn if it came to moving Dunn. I would want more than that high 2nd, but not a whole lot.

 

[simon IC]

I'd part with the later of AZ/VAN 1st's for Dunn + Bozak without batting an eye.

I would do this if it means keeping Pietrangelo. It all depends on the market for cap space. Some of my fellow Blues fans think they can just dump Allen and Bozak for picks, I disagree, as I think the competition will make it more expensive to unload contracts. I think the Blues are going to have give up a substantial player/pick/prospect.

 

[simon IC]

what about something like

VAN or ARZ 1st

for

Dunn
Bozak
STL 3rd

That is fair. Again, it depends on the market.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Dunn for Drouin or Domi as a base?

 

[DJN21]

Kostin and Dunn for 8th overall?

 

[Colt55]

Kostin and Dunn for 8th overall?

If Jake Sanderson was available I would really think about it. But is eigth overall enough with loathing going too.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Kostin and Dunn for 8th overall?

Done!

 

[Just Linda]

Now that we have a better idea where the Habs are drafting (not top 15), I'd do a 1st for Dunn.

 

[DJN21]

If Jake Sanderson was available I would really think about it. But is eigth overall enough with loathing going too.

I think the Sabres bear the weight of potential buyers remorse again in dealing with the Blues because that pick is higher than either guy I'm asking for was taken. Sabres need size and sandpaper on the wing and Kostin might be nothing long term (I'm a huge fan though). And Dunn or Petro are leaving regardless so you might as well cut your losses. I can imagine Sabres fans being mad at this proposal I just value Kostin that much for personal bias.

 

[Colt55]

I think the Sabres bear the weight of potential buyers remorse again in dealing with the Blues because that pick is higher than either guy I'm asking for was taken. Sabres need size and sandpaper on the wing and Kostin might be nothing long term (I'm a huge fan though). And Dunn or Petro are leaving regardless so you might as well cut your losses. I can imagine Sabres fans being mad at this proposal I just value Kostin that much for personal bias.

Kostin at 20 had 13 goals and 30 points in 48 games. He has improved every year he is big and gritty and has a good shot. Blues all team lacks talent and coach. This would be a steal for buff.

 

[DJN21]

Kostin at 20 had 13 goals and 30 points in 48 games. He has improved every year he is big and gritty and has a good shot. Blues all team lacks talent and coach. This would be a steal for buff.

You can just say pass man...just throwing out a proposal if you dont think it's fair I get that. I'm sure our board would hate my proposal too. Which means it's probably close to fair.

 

[Colt55]

You can just say pass man...just throwing out a proposal if you dont think it's fair I get that. I'm sure our board would hate my proposal too. Which means it's probably close to fair.

I think its very close. Maybe have to add a 3rd to it from buff. But very close

 

[DJN21]

I think its very close. Maybe have to add a 3rd to it from buff. But very close

Buffalo spent all it's 3rds on Vesey, frolik and Byslma lol.

Yeah we're winners...

 

[sfvega]

I would do this if it means keeping Pietrangelo. It all depends on the market for cap space. Some of my fellow Blues fans think they can just dump Allen and Bozak for picks, I disagree, as I think the competition will make it more expensive to unload contracts. I think the Blues are going to have give up a substantial player/pick/prospect.

I think we can now move Allen for free or with a small add. But Bozak is gonna be hell to move. Every team has a forward or two like Bozak they want to unload, and with an unexpected flat cap, teams are gonna need a noteworthy sweetener to take someone like him back.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

I think we can now move Allen for free or with a small add. But Bozak is gonna be hell to move. Every team has a forward or two like Bozak they want to unload, and with an unexpected flat cap, teams are gonna need a noteworthy sweetener to take someone like him back.

Bozak has only 1 year, is good guy who seems popular in room, and is a center who can play up or down lineup. All of which make him attractive. Don’t think he will be hard to move (not saying will get much for him, just that won’t be too painful).

 

[sfvega]

Bozak has only 1 year, is good guy who seems popular in room, and is a center who can play up or down lineup. All of which make him attractive. Don’t think he will be hard to move (not saying will get much for him, just that won’t be too painful).

But again, every team has a third liner they'd love to unload who isn't a bad player, isn't bad in the room, is a little overpaid. Everyone wants a top 6 center, but there's so many bottom 6 caliber centers that a team could have that you'd think they grew on trees. Everything you said about him was also true of Bergy and Sobotka, and we traded them readily and Buffalo still gets made fun of for taking them as the 3rd and 4th biggest pieces in a deal. Not to mention we don't want to retain or take salary back. When cap space is at a premium, who is gonna pay 5 mil for Tyler Bozak? And I like Bozak. But he's not an easy move rn. We'd all love for him to be, but I think if you asked 99% of the non-Blues fans here if they think a team would just take Bozak, the answer would be "LOL, no."

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

But again, every team has a third liner they'd love to unload who isn't a bad player, isn't bad in the room, is a little overpaid. Everyone wants a top 6 center, but there's so many bottom 6 caliber centers that a team could have that you'd think they grew on trees. Everything you said about him was also true of Bergy and Sobotka, and we traded them readily and Buffalo still gets made fun of for taking them as the 3rd and 4th biggest pieces in a deal. Not to mention we don't want to retain or take salary back. When cap space is at a premium, who is gonna pay 5 mil for Tyler Bozak? And I like Bozak. But he's not an easy move rn. We'd all love for him to be, but I think if you asked 99% of the non-Blues fans here if they think a team would just take Bozak, the answer would be "LOL, no."

Question isn’t whether every team would want him. Rather is there any team that would? Would Ottawa (whose coaches know him) feel like he would be good vet to mentor kids and help take next step? Would Buffalo feel like he could help with culture change and be bridge until their young centers are ready? Devils also may see him in similar light. I don’t expect to get much, but do think he has real value a handful of teams who would be able to acquire him for very little.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Edmonton really could use a D that understands transitional play. I’d do 14ov for Dunn+

What could the Blues add? We could use a scoring winger prospect