Value of: Vince Dunn

[BatVader]

If there wasn’t the ED coming up, I’d be interested in Dunn, but we can only protect 3 and already have Morrissey, DeMelo, and Pionk

The Blues would move Bozak and Allen before they’d give away Dunn

That’s a question... what would a Bozak trade look like?

 

[Colt55]

If there wasn’t the ED coming up, I’d be interested in Dunn, but we can only protect 3 and already have Morrissey, DeMelo, and Pionk


That’s a question... what would a Bozak trade look like?

How bout a 2nd rnd pick 2021

 

[Mavrik112]

I pass on that as a Habs fan. Rather trade the Blues 2nd and two 4th's for Leddy who has 2 more years left and a good bridge to Romanov, Norlinder, Harris, Struble.

Interested in Dunn/Allen but my top offer is the Blues 2nd, Habs 3rd, Mete, and B- type prospects in Olofsson or Ikonen. If another team trumps that, I let them. I think we need to be careful with how Dunn looks on the Habs vs the cup contender in the Blues. He's a very good young piece but I'm not using our 16th pick on him.

Blues will look to make moves on draft day so they are free to lock up Pietrangelo. How many teams will be willing to make that move for Dunn/Allen on draft day? Not sure but the Habs certainly can help them out. If that don't work, I move to other options

Also curious to see how Kulak looks against the Flyers. He played well against the Pens and it reminded me of how he looked in the 2nd half of 18/19

But in Dunn you can get a reliable top 4 D for at least the next 7-8 years. He will also be cheaper than Leddy and I believe he’s also already a better hockey player. We won’t draft a better player than Dunn at 16 either. Isn’t that a smarter way to leverage our assets?

Do we HAVE to take one of your backup goalies? Outside of Primeau, I prefer Husso (and in the future Hofer) over all Habs goalie prospects, so we don't really need one of those. I'd rather have you guys add another pick or a more useful prospect.

No, I just thought St-Louis needed a backup goalie. You probably will have to take an irrelevant AHL contract though as I think Montreal is close to 50.

 

[Habs Halifax]

But in Dunn you can get a reliable top 4 D for at least the next 7-8 years. He will also be cheaper than Leddy and I believe he’s also already a better hockey player. We won’t draft a better player than Dunn at 16 either. Isn’t that a smarter way to leverage our assets?

No, I just thought St-Louis needed a backup goalie. You probably will have to take an irrelevant AHL contract though as I think Montreal is close to 50.

Leddy would be with retention and the price to acquire is cheaper. Leddy's 2 years in term fits as a bridge to our young LD's. Leddy at $4M AAV for two years vs Dunn on a bridge contract? Dunn probably gets close to $4M AAV on a bridge deal. McAvoy got $4.9M so Dunn gets $3M - $4M range at least!

Rather use the Blues 2nd and two 4th's (Habs have 14 picks which is too much IMO) for Leddy with retention
vs
our 16th pick for Dunn

If we didn't have Romanov, Harris, Norlinder, Struble on our LD side coming in the next few years, I would consider 16th for Dunn. Understand my approach?

 

[Habs Halifax]

No, I just thought St-Louis needed a backup goalie. You probably will have to take an irrelevant AHL contract though as I think Montreal is close to 50.

Habs are at 34 contracts right now. After you count Domi, Mete, Evans, Juulsen, that makes 37 contracts. Add a few AHL guys and we are 40-45 range. We are not close to 50 contracts. Don't see a problem there.

 

[Mavrik112]

Leddy would be with retention and the price to acquire is cheaper. Leddy's 2 years in term fits as a bridge to our young LD's. Leddy at $4M AAV for two years vs Dunn on a bridge contract? Dunn probably gets close to $4M AAV on a bridge deal. McAvoy got $4.9M so Dunn gets $3M - $4M range at least!

Rather use the Blues 2nd and two 4th's (Habs have 14 picks which is too much IMO) for Leddy with retention
vs
our 16th pick for Dunn

If we didn't have Romanov, Harris, Norlinder, Struble on our LD side coming in the next few years, I would consider 16th for Dunn. Understand my approach?

We just disagree. I don’t like the Leddy move and I really believe Dunn will be here longer, is a better hockey player overall and have youth as well.

Habs are at 34 contracts right now. After you count Domi, Mete, Evans, Juulsen, that makes 37 contracts. Add a few AHL guys and we are 40-45 range. We are not close to 50 contracts. Don't see a problem there.

We will need to find AHL contracts and we’ll sign ELC as well. A full NHL/AHL team is 46 contracts. We’ll be close to 50 when it is all said and done

 

[Habs Halifax]

We just disagree. I don’t like the Leddy move and I really believe Dunn will be here longer, is a better hockey player overall and have youth as well.

We will need to find AHL contracts and we’ll sign ELC as well. A full NHL/AHL team is 46 contracts. We’ll be close to 50 when it is all said and done

If you trade Dunn for a 1st+, he better be with the Habs longer. But then what? Romanov, Dunn, Harris, Norlinder, Struble. I don't think you get my point. I rather use the late 2nd and two 4th's to get Leddy for 2 years vs a 1st+ for Dunn. I don't think the difference in those two years are much different between Dunn and Leddy and hey... we get to keep our 1st

This is not just about Dunn vs Leddy. This is about term, bridge, and risks/rewards in terms of the price to acquire and what you get from it. I don't hate Dunn but if the price is 16th+, I pass. I am interested in the Dunn/Allen package on draft day but the offer is similar to what I would send to the Islanders for Leddy. Blues 2nd and two 4th's and I might include Mete or B- prospects cause Dunn is 23 and heading into his prime.

Can't explain it any further. I think you are looking at Dunn vs Leddy in simple terms. I'm looking at it much deeper in what happens in 2 years and then after that. Rather not trade the 16th OA pick if I don't have to

 

[Mavrik112]

If you trade Dunn for a 1st+, he better be with the Habs longer. But then what? Romanov, Dunn, Harris, Norlinder, Struble. I don't think you get my point. I rather use the late 2nd and two 4th's to get Leddy for 2 years for a 1st+ for Dunn. I don't think the difference in those two years are much different between Dunn and Leddy and hey... we get to keep our 1st

This is not just about Dunn vs Leddy. This is about term, bridge, and risks/rewards in terms of the price to acquire and what you get from it. I don't hate Dunn but if the price is 16th+, I pass.

First it’s not a 1st+ for Dunn. It’s a 1st for Dunn and Allen. Romanov seem like a good one but don’t know yet about Harris, Struble or Norlinder. If and when they make the team, we can re-asses and see who’s the odd man out.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

So dunn and nikita Alexandrov For 8ova with jake sanderson still on board

Young center as the main piece.

Buffalo has Dahlin and a dirth of LD prospects. LD is only a cheap short term need because Pilut left.

 

[Colt55]

Young center as the main piece.

Buffalo has Dahlin and a dirth of LD prospects. LD is only a cheap short term need because Pilut left.

Nikita Alexandrov is a young center.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

The Blues and Doug Armstrong are pretty smart about not signing players to long term deals when they will be over 35 when the deal completes

Fair enough but I think AP would push hard for at least 6 years. We shall see in a couple months.

 

[Mike Liut]

If there wasn’t the ED coming up, I’d be interested in Dunn, but we can only protect 3 and already have Morrissey, DeMelo, and Pionk


That’s a question... what would a Bozak trade look like?

I think somebody would take Bozak if the Blues retained 1 mill. He’s a good 3C and possibly a 2c on a mediocre team

 

[Colt55]

I think somebody would take Bozak if the Blues retained 1 mill. He’s a good 3C and possibly a 2c on a mediocre team

Agreed

 

[TrapGod Jr]

This would end up costing the Blues more in cap hit than just resigning Dunn. If the Blues are moving Dunn its to free up cap space for AP. If they are adding cap hit and getting worse on defense it doesn't really make sense for the Blues.

Youre right I should have picked a less costly top9 FW. So lets say Jordan Weal lol but I think you’d prefer Lehkonen. Great two-way.

 

[Archijerej]

If Dunn's on the market I'd like Montreal to make an aggressive move to aquire him. He fills an immediate need and he's also in Suzuki's/Kotkaniemi's age bracket. Wonder what the Blues fans think of the following offer:

To Mtl: Vince Dunn, one of Allen/Bozak

To St. Louis: 16OA, Victor Mete/Brett Kulak (just a warm body going the other way).

Montreal would add to this if it's required to outbid other teams.

 

[simon IC]

If Dunn's on the market I'd like Montreal to make an aggressive move to aquire him. He fills an immediate need and he's also in Suzuki's/Kotkaniemi's age bracket. Wonder what the Blues fans think of the following offer:

To Mtl: Vince Dunn, one of Allen/Bozak

To St. Louis: 16OA, Victor Mete/Brett Kulak (just a warm body going the other way).

Montreal would add to this if it's required to outbid other teams.

We don't actually need a LD coming back. as we would still have Gunnarsson, Scandella, Perunovich, and Mikkola to start with Walman in the AHL. Having said that, I would prefer Kulak over Mete if Montreal needs to lose salary. The offer is actually pretty good.

 

[Colt55]

If Dunn's on the market I'd like Montreal to make an aggressive move to aquire him. He fills an immediate need and he's also in Suzuki's/Kotkaniemi's age bracket. Wonder what the Blues fans think of the following offer:

To Mtl: Vince Dunn, one of Allen/Bozak

To St. Louis: 16OA, Victor Mete/Brett Kulak (just a warm body going the other way).

Montreal would add to this if it's required to outbid other teams.

I would say the 1st and one of your seconds

For

Dunn and allen/bozak

No need to send money or warm body back

 

[Archijerej]

We don't actually need a LD coming back.

No need to send money or warm body back

Noted.

I would say the 1st and one of your seconds

If that 2nd round pick would be the difference between choosing Montreal as a trading partner, or some other suitor, I'd do it.

 

[Colt55]

Noted.



If that 2nd round pick would be the difference between choosing Montreal as a trading partner, or some other suitor, I'd do it.

Question is which is more preferable bozak or allen. To me I think if petro decides on staying this will happen and I would be ok with it. Especially with the three players blues could draft in the first two rounds.

 

[Archijerej]

Question is which is more preferable bozak or allen. To me I think if petro decides on staying this will happen and I would be ok with it. Especially with the three players blues could draft in the first two rounds.

For Montreal, it's definitely Allen.

 

[Colt55]

For Montreal, it's definitely Allen.

That actually works too blues have husso, hofer Ellis and zherenko the later three just had amazing seasons. So losing allen wouldn't be that bad

 

[ole ole]

Blues would take this and run! The salary of the backup goalie could be a factor, though.

As a Hab fan i would offer that but the problem i have is losing a protection slot with the new team coming in.
I would gladly do this if it was after expansion .

 

[Flyer lurker]

If Dunn's on the market I'd like Montreal to make an aggressive move to acquire him. He fills an immediate need and he's also in Suzuki's/Kotkaniemi's age bracket. Wonder what the Blues fans think of the following offer:

To Mtl: Vince Dunn, one of Allen/Bozak

To St. Louis: 16OA, Victor Mete/Brett Kulak (just a warm body going the other way).

Montreal would add to this if it's required to outbid other teams.

This is a well thought out smart offer that makes sense for both sides.

 

[Archijerej]

As a Hab fan i would offer that but the problem i have is losing a protection slot with the new team coming in.
I would gladly do this if it was after expansion .

I don't think losing the last year of Chiarot's contract, who would be a #4 defenceman for us in this scenario, is the end of the world. Especially since we have around 100 LD prospects.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Value wise Dunn is worth a mid-late 1st and a NHL close to ready B/B+ ELC contract or a 2nd and 3rd along with 2 mil of cap Space which means 50% of Bozak/Allen