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Confirmed Trade: [VGK/SJS] Tomas Hertl (17.05% retained), 2025 and 2027 3rd round picks for David Edstrom, 2025 1st round pick

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I didn't think it would happen considering San Jose and Vegas were rivals, let alone the stupid contract Hertl has.

Vegas will probably never have a first round pick again because either way, they trade first rounders all the time whether they were drafted there or not.

Or they may want them so they draft a potential bust and use that to get good players.
 
HugeInTheShire said:
This has to be the first time a GM will start a season with no retention slots.


Most teams try to keep one or two if they're tanking so they can retain. SJ has used them all for next year as well.
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I don't see your point. Nix the trade because it uses the final retention slot? (Until Burns slot opens up next year).
 
Brent Burns said:
I don't see your point. Nix the trade because it uses the final retention slot? (Until Burns slot opens up next year).
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Now if they have any 1 year deals at the deadline next year, they'll be unable to retain on them. Teams that are buying usually want retention and SJ won't be able to do that, they'll have to trade anyone at full price.

Teams don't usually burn all 3 before the season even starts.
 
DudeWhereIsMakar said:
I didn't think it would happen considering San Jose and Vegas were rivals, let alone the stupid contract Hertl has.

Vegas will probably never have a first round pick again because either way, they trade first rounders all the time whether they were drafted there or not.

Or they may want them so they draft a potential bust and use that to get good players.
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This literally have their first this year.
 
nbwingsfan said:
Couldn’t they just make it that whatever roster you ice in the post season is cap compliant?

aure you could acquire people to cover for injuries in the regular season but if you want to now play that player in the post season, then someone is sitting
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I just said the league and the PA won’t want that. Sitting a fun star player is bad business, and even if the league wanted teams sitting multiple paid support guys instead (I doubt) the PA would certainly fight that


Ultimately the league makes sure the guys on LTIR are injured, but can’t stop them from coming back before they’re 100% (they’re not “miraculously healthy”. They’re most likely just not full recovered) as that’s NHL tradition to play hurt


Perks of being super well run teams
 
TheBeard said:
They're still reaping the benefits of a advantageous expansion draft that brought in a boatload of additional picks. It's easy to score when you're immediately put on third base.
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It’s easier than if you’re given nothing, but you still actually need good scouts and management to work with that opportunity

We’ve seen two teams with the new rules get pretty different results.
 
HugeInTheShire said:
Now if they have any 1 year deals at the deadline next year, they'll be unable to retain on them. Teams that are buying usually want retention and SJ won't be able to do that, they'll have to trade anyone at full price.

Teams don't usually burn all 3 before the season even starts.
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There's no one left to sell LOL
 
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Chips said:
It’s easier than if you’re given nothing, but you still actually need good scouts and management to work with that opportunity

We’ve seen two teams with the new rules get pretty different results.
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Yes and no, The players the team drafted who went to other teams didn't really do all that much except for Suzuki. Brannstrom, Glass, Krebs, Brisson looks meh... Vegas had the ammo to take chances and when they didn't work they just didn't rest on the laurels. They kept at it. Seattle didn't have the same opportunities because GMs adjusted.
 
Brent Burns said:
There's no one left to sell LOL
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Next trade deadline if they want to trade Vanacek, Granlund, Rutta, or any player they sign to a 1 year deal, they won't be able to retain on them.

There may be nobody left to sell right now but in a full year a lot can change.

I guess it may not matter but it's highly unusual to retain for multiple years on 3 contracts.
 
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I'm not sure i've more genuinely hated a team purely for off-ice reasons in my life. I hope they get f***ing stomped. Or just miss the playoffs altogether. That'd be sweet.
 
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HugeInTheShire said:
Next trade deadline if they want to trade Vanacek, Granlund, Rutta, or any player they sign to a 1 year deal, they won't be able to retain on them.

There may be nobody left to sell right now but in a full year a lot can change.
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It's probably not that big of a deal. Sharks will have so much cap space, they could take on any number of bad contracts next TDL.
 
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HugeInTheShire said:
Now if they have any 1 year deals at the deadline next year, they'll be unable to retain on them. Teams that are buying usually want retention and SJ won't be able to do that, they'll have to trade anyone at full price.

Teams don't usually burn all 3 before the season even starts.
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But but but if they used the retention slot next season then they wont have any left!

Alaskanice said:
This made me laugh out loud. My wife thinks I’m crazy.
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Well, you are a Sharks fan
 
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hohosaregood said:
It's probably not that big of a deal. Sharks will have so much cap space, they could take on any number of bad contracts next TDL.
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Contenders don't always have bad contracts. They just want players at a huge cap hit discount. It absolutely is a big deal.
 
nbwingsfan said:

Detroit Red Wings 2018-19 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

The roster, scoring and goaltender statistics for the 2018-19 Detroit Red Wings playing in the NHL.
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The Wings had this roster when Yzerman took over:

Detroit Red Wings 2018-19 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

The roster, scoring and goaltender statistics for the 2018-19 Detroit Red Wings playing in the NHL.
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Their top picks were Zadina and Veleno and they had zero extra 1st rd picks as well as zero top 3 picks the entire rebuild.

Just 5 years later it looks like they will make the playoffs.

SJ will be brutal, but with the right management it won’t take a decade + to be respectable again.
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Fair point. Jury is still out but they do look on the right path (for being repeatedly in the playoffs I mean). I think Yzerman was getting a bit more value out of his assets though.

Examples:
- flipped Athanasiou for 2 2nd picks + Gagner
- got a 2nd pick to take on Marc Staal's contract
- got a 1st and a 2nd in the Mantha deal. Vrana was a nice little bonus that didnt work.
- Found Walman out of a nothing deal involving Nick Leddy
- Hronek got him a 1st and a 2nd
- Debrincat was acquired later in the timeline of the rebuild, but the price wasnt super high considering what he brought Detroit.

Plus Larkin, SJ doesnt have that guy. Maybe I underestimate Hertl's injury tbh I havent kept an eye on him. Seems like (with the retention), he would be a guy that garners a more competitive offer.


But we'll see. Grier is doing a big cleanup, basically starting from scratch. They have 4 picks in the fiest two rounds this year, currently 3 for next year... so with solid drafts they could do well.
 
HugeInTheShire said:
Next trade deadline if they want to trade Vanacek, Granlund, Rutta, or any player they sign to a 1 year deal, they won't be able to retain on them.

There may be nobody left to sell right now but in a full year a lot can change.

I guess it may not matter but it's highly unusual to retain for multiple years on 3 contracts.
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But without retention spots it's impossible. Mike doesn't know how to trade without retaining.
 
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HugeInTheShire said:
Now if they have any 1 year deals at the deadline next year, they'll be unable to retain on them. Teams that are buying usually want retention and SJ won't be able to do that, they'll have to trade anyone at full price.

Teams don't usually burn all 3 before the season even starts.
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They just got a pick for a goalie swap , they can retain and help teams with the cap in otherways in 3 way deals .

Instead of retaining they just take a cap dump player. teams will pay picks for that too so I don't see it as a problem
 
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