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Confirmed Trade: [VGK/CGY/PHI] Noah Hanifin (75% retained), Mikhail Vorobyov to VGK; 2026 1st , 2025 cond. 3rd, Daniil Miromanov to CGY; 2024 5th to PHI

JKG33 said:
Love it for Vegas, especially if they can sign him. Let the tears of other jealous fanbases flow
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So much for my dream of Hanifin becoming a Bruin(assuming an extension is in the works), the only good thing is he didn't end up in Tampa.



P.S. For anyone who has NESN, BC and UConn are heading to overtime.
 
Tobias Kahun said:
Vegas had one call go against them in the playoffs that got them eliminated and there was a rule change instantly.
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San Jose had 2 calls go for it in the playoffs, and then there were 2 rules changes immediately after - one dealing with each of the situations that led to those calls.

Obvious interpretation: the league f***ing hates San Jose.
 
Tobias Kahun said:
Vegas had one call go against them in the playoffs that got them eliminated and there was a rule change instantly.
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And? The situation was demonstrative of why the rule change was needed. It wasn't implemented because it just kept happening to Vegas only and they needed to change the rules to protect them. A game 7 was heavily impacted by a call that was made purely by the ref's emotional reaction to seeing blood on ice rather than actually watching the play that caused injury. I fail to see the favoritism.
 
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McFlyingV said:
Sadly this is true, but it was at least sold to fans as a way for small market teams to compete with the super teams of the 90's and early 2000's. That said it makes for a terrible product when you only have 1 or 2 teams doing this every playoffs. Obviously the league doesn't care so maybe we shouldn't either. At the end of the day the NHL has pretty pathetic viewership and revenue numbers compared to other sports leagues and I think it has a lot to do with how poorly run the league is.
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It has way more to do with the sport being expensive and niche


When it was less expensive, it was even more niche


Older fans have this die hard dedication to the idea of a team game-UFC hybrid. Most sports fans find it ridiculous the type of crap the league lets players get away with even today, that would be considered unsportsmanlike. Except in the NHL it’s just tuff. It has literally nothing to do with the game itself (scoring, not letting the other team score) but people romanticized it and say it’s “part of the game”. The crowds used to be mostly dudes and less family lol.



The league has been growing even despite the increase cost and I’d bet improved perception of the game itself is a big part of that.
 
senators101 said:
Wednesday: Vegas trades for Hanifin
Thursday: mysterious injury, Hanifin goes on ltir
Friday: Vegas trades for another humongous piece

After losing the first game of the playoffs, All Vegas players take off their casts and they win 16 in a row.

(My team isn't in contention so I really don't give a f***, I think this is hilarious and very well executed).
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Not surprising they are having troubles finding the 3rd party according to insiders

3rd party retention on this transaction is a lot more expensive than other deals
 
Ted Hoffman said:
I'm also sure, being in the rehab field, you know there are times where you think someone is fine and ready to go back to work, and the patient says they can't - and, after some investigation and maybe someone else's evaluation, you discover that the patient really is right and you were wrong, and now more work needs to be done with the patient to fix the problem you didn't think existed.

Or maybe you're just that damn good, and it's never happened to you. Or to anyone else around you.

And you're probably not typically dealing with a union, and you're almost certainly not dealing with the NHLPA who takes a very dim view of "yeah, I don't care if your player says he's still hurt - he's fine, he can get his ass in the lineup and play, big fat f***ing faker."


1. You have to define what "make the salary cap apply during the playoffs" means, because that can be interpreted any number of ways and I'm not about to try and guess what you mean by it.
2. Whatever you suggest, it has to allow for teams whose sum of full-year cap hits exceed the cap but who never violated the cap because they permissibly acquired those players by accruing cap savings, to be able to use all of those players in the playoffs, without restriction. You know, like some teams are doing right now as we go into the trade deadline.
3. It alsohas to account for "legitimate" uses of LTIR where players are in fact out the entire season and unable to play in the playoffs at all, where teams use that LTIR space permissibly to acquire other players. You know, like some teams are doing right now as we go into the trade deadline.
4. It also has to allow teams to be able to add/subtract players as needed during the playoffs due to injuries, even when teams are limited to who's available to be used because of unavailability of some players who are in the AHL playoffs.
5. It also has to account for players legitimately injured, who may not in fact be healthy enough to play when the playoffs start, but who can be healthy and able to play after the playoffs start.
6. It ALSO has to be acceptable by the NHLPA, since this will have to be part of the CBA and the union is going to have to sign off on it. [Spoiler: saying players are ineligible to play in the playoffs for purely subjective reasons that have nothing to do with player fitness or league discipline, ... guaranteed not to fly with the NHLPA.]

That's just off the top of my head.


I think it's @KevFu or @tarheelhockey who has repeatedly dispelled this myth of "the cap is supposed to even the playing field" numerous times in the past. If it's not either of those two, perhaps they'll know who has and that person can come and dispel it yet again.


The cap's purpose is to provide a measure of cost certainty for owners. Cost certainty without a cap = teams spend whatever they want --> the players are still bound by a 50/50 split of HRR --> they pay a whole f***ing shitload in escrow, and they've long complained about losing money to escrow.


Because the owners demand cost certainty, which comes via the salary cap. And, that prevents the players from getting taken to the woodshed on escrow as I allude to above.


Why do you think you know what I'm thinking, when you know you have no idea what I think?
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I mean the problem is players play through injuries all the time against medical advice and it's been documented numerous times. It's why the concept of LTIR doesn't make much sense when it only applies to the regular season. For whatever reason athletes are crazy enough to play through significant injuries in the playoffs that they wouldn't in the regular season.

There's a major difference between a player being medically cleared to play and a player's readiness to return, but a player can easily be persuaded to stay out longer if its going to help the team. For example, do you think that if Stone is ready to return at game 78 that he's going to when he knows he can help the team gain a massive advantage if he just sits out 4 more games? It just sets a pretty ridiculous precedent and the ethics of this would be highly questioned in any sports ethics literature.

As for clearing somebody to return to play it involves a lot more than just assessing someone and saying ok good to go. Its easy to exploit. The patient or client is always included in the process with their own symptoms and experiences. They generally have to first get medically cleared to begin physical therapy/strength and conditioning and then need to get cleared again at the end of their rehab process by physical therapist/team doctor/specialist. Yet still despite this being a thorough and rigorous process, it is very easy to exploit, and we still have numerous circumstances of players playing despite knowingly having fractures, torn ligaments, etc. There really is no true safeguard to exploiting this "loophole" in the CBA. Stone's case is a little more cut and dry because its an injured organ. You can see in real time if its healed or not. The subjective nature of his conditioning really doesn't impact his chance of re-rupturing his spleen. A player is obviously at higher risk to sustain a re-injury for a musculoskeletal injury if their strength and conditioning component is not properly rehabbed, but a lacerated spleen is not a musculoskeletal injury.

My suggestion was that active 23 man roster or even the starting roster for any playoff game must be cap compliant. There's no grey area there and that allows for people to slot in if injuries occur, but doesn't allow teams to ice a team that is massively over the cap.
 
Rubi said:
Its been reported that an extension with Vegas is in the works. Vegas is one of the teams Hanifin was willing to extend with.
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My reference to a snag was about how nice Vegas’ top-6 looks with Hague still there after adding Hanifin.
 
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