Confirmed Trade: [VGK/CGY/PHI] Noah Hanifin (75% retained), Mikhail Vorobyov to VGK; 2026 1st , 2025 cond. 3rd, Daniil Miromanov to CGY; 2024 5th to PHI

No Vegas is the kid of the boomer with great retirement fund, great house, sweet car telling the Gen X, Millennial, Gen Z to work harder to get what they have, but we work more hours at a job that requires more education and have significantly less.

But to invest wisely, double the profits, and then sell the profits 10x what they bought them for, is 6-6 with a great physique, flirts with your girlfriend, f***s her, for her to leave you, and then he dumps her.

He then convinces your ex girlfriend to give him money to take a hotter girl out for dinner, to then ask her dad if he can date her HOTTER sister, then HER DAD funds his business which grows into a multi billion dollar tycoon...

WHICH THEN INVESTS INTO ALL HIS OTHER BUSINESSES, and he Steals your girlfriend again, and the cycle goes on.

Did I get it right?
Sounds like every person I know who thinks all us regular folks have to work harder
 
Just putting it into the universe here…..

Please, VGK…..keep Nic Hague….he’s the guy you trust as a defacto top pair guy after more experience and Pietrangelo calling it quits.
 
As a Dallas I can agree that Vegas was the best team last playoffs. They were solid from top to bottom. They deserved the cup.

"If" Stone comes back this year for game 1 or 2, it would definitely look very suspicious and I wonder if the NHL will change something, but honestly I really can't see a player
sitting out and faking being injured. I definitely wouldn't, I hate missing hockey lol

Anyways, see you guys in the conference finals again? Unless you end up in the central through a wild card spot.
I really just don't even care about the issue at this point. Even without the LTIR thing, neutral and rival fans would find something to bitch and moan about when it comes to Vegas. LTIR exploitation just sounds more valid/less ridiculous than the old "Vegas was gifted a contending roster/the NHL rigs the reffing in Vegas' favor'. I don't think that Vegas will shake being an object of derision until they've 'paid their dues' to the neutrals and rivals (like the VGK should give a shit about what they think) with a proper rebuild.

But yeah I'd be game for a VGK/Dallas rematch.
 
Just putting it into the universe here…..

Please, VGK…..keep Nic Hague….he’s the guy you trust as a defacto top pair after more experience and Pietrangelo calling it quits.
Nic Hague will never, ever, ever be a Pietrangelo. He will never make it off the third pairing of a properly rostered and healthy team.
 
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Would be hilarious if the hold up on details was because Vegas was on his no trade list and Calgary’s 1st gets forfeited.
 
I really just don't even care about the issue at this point. Even without the LTIR thing, neutral and rival fans would find something to bitch and moan about when it comes to Vegas. LTIR exploitation just sounds more valid/less ridiculous than the old "Vegas was gifted a contending roster/the NHL rigs the reffing in Vegas' favor'

But yeah I'd be game for a VGK/Dallas rematch.
Vegas has been a top tier team since they joined the league, they are destined to burn a few villages because of it
 
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Nic Hague will never, ever, ever be a Pietrangelo. He will never make it off the third pairing of a properly rostered and healthy team.
No - he won’t be.

But at his age, keeping him for his snarl and hard shot with the intent to pair him with a high end guy if needed?

He’s someone who looks to be fit for that role - eventually. The 2nd/3rd pairing guy who won’t kill you if he needs to be paired with a true #1.
 
Considering I work in the rehab field I think I have a better idea than you how easy it is to delay a players return even when they are completely safe and able to return to play. Hell, you can easily have two completely different medical opinions assessing the same person, and its incredibly easy to exploit this.

What problems exactly would the salary cap fixes I discussed present? They would do what the cap is supposed to do and even the playing field. Please do explain the cap's purpose if it doesn't exist during the only part of the schedule that actually matters outside of just getting into the playoffs? At this point the cap isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing, so why even have a salary cap?
The salary cap was not created and implemented to create parity. It was designed by the league owners so they would have cost certainty for their business projections. This, and to avoid player salaries from running wild well above 50% of revenue teams can bring in (which is what was happening). They care more about the business than they do parity in league standings.
 
Hopefully they continue to plummet down the standings and miss the playoffs altogether.

This is league condoned cheating. Nothing more.
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Ken Holland should have been taking notes when Tampa did it.
Who can the oilers afford to lose with a notable contract, and what assets would they have to spend to add?
As a Dallas I can agree that Vegas was the best team last playoffs. They were solid from top to bottom. They deserved the cup.

"If" Stone comes back this year for game 1 or 2, it would definitely look very suspicious and I wonder if the NHL will change something, but honestly I really can't see a player
sitting out and faking being injured. I definitely wouldn't, I hate missing hockey lol

Anyways, see you guys in the conference finals again? Unless you end up in the central through a wild card spot.
People will choose to see it as suspicious even if he came back 6 games in


But realistically, hockey has a history of playing injured. It’s more likely he comes back before a legit doctor would advise it and there’s really not much the league can do about it.

He quite likely wasn’t 100% last year, Kucherov most certainly was not 100% when he came back a few years ago. Teams can get away with it not by faking injury, but only need to time it well enough that the player is ready to put himself through it.


And of course they need to be a well run team with good asset management. Many teams could legally take advantage of the rule except they’d feel less confident about making the playoffs and or don’t have the assets to add or the guts to pull off a ground shaking move.
 
I really just don't even care about the issue at this point. Even without the LTIR thing, neutral and rival fans would find something to bitch and moan about when it comes to Vegas. LTIR exploitation just sounds more valid/less ridiculous than the old "Vegas was gifted a contending roster/the NHL rigs the reffing in Vegas' favor'. I don't think that Vegas will shake being an object of derision until they've 'paid their dues' to the neutrals and rivals (like the VGK should give a shit about what they think) with a proper rebuild.

But yeah I'd be game for a VGK/Dallas rematch.

I hear you, I want Dallas to win another cup so I can stop hearing about Brett Hulls toe, but like you said there will always be something for someone to use as an excuse lol
 
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I get all the not playing in Canada thing but this is way more the trade the Canucks needed to make. Didn’t have to be Hanifin, but a dman like him, instead of chasing forwards.

The current woes coincide with Hronek being given the opportunity to carry that second pairing. Something they should’ve done 2 months ago. There’s now a good chance, they enter the playoffs with only one pairing who can drive play in a 7 game series. Doesn’t matter how much offense you have. Ask the Leafs…

Vegas now has 3 of them. They can now literally corner a playoff game, driving play for 60 minutes with Pietrangelo, Theodore and Hanifin. Then they have 4 pretty good role playing dmen. If I’m other teams I’m calling about a Hague right now, and Theodore this summer. Was under the impression Whitecloud would be in this deal, but doesn’t seem to be. That means Martinez or Whitecloud will be sitting In the playoffs. That’s criminal really.
 
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The salary cap was not created and implemented to create parity. It was designed by the league owners so they would have cost certainty for their business projections. This, and to avoid player salaries from running wild well above 50% of revenue teams can bring in (which is what was happening). They care more about the business than they do parity in league standings.
Sadly this is true, but it was at least sold to fans as a way for small market teams to compete with the super teams of the 90's and early 2000's. That said it makes for a terrible product when you only have 1 or 2 teams doing this every playoffs. Obviously the league doesn't care so maybe we shouldn't either. At the end of the day the NHL has pretty pathetic viewership and revenue numbers compared to other sports leagues and I think it has a lot to do with how poorly run the league is.
 
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Considering I work in the rehab field I think I have a better idea than you how easy it is to delay a players return even when they are completely safe and able to return to play. Hell, you can easily have two completely different medical opinions assessing the same person, and its incredibly easy to exploit this.
I'm also sure, being in the rehab field, you know there are times where you think someone is fine and ready to go back to work, and the patient says they can't - and, after some investigation and maybe someone else's evaluation, you discover that the patient really is right and you were wrong, and now more work needs to be done with the patient to fix the problem you didn't think existed.

Or maybe you're just that damn good, and it's never happened to you. Or to anyone else around you.

And you're probably not typically dealing with a union, and you're almost certainly not dealing with the NHLPA who takes a very dim view of "yeah, I don't care if your player says he's still hurt - he's fine, he can get his ass in the lineup and play, big fat f***ing faker."

What problems exactly would the salary cap fixes I discussed present?
1. You have to define what "make the salary cap apply during the playoffs" means, because that can be interpreted any number of ways and I'm not about to try and guess what you mean by it.
2. Whatever you suggest, it has to allow for teams whose sum of full-year cap hits exceed the cap but who never violated the cap because they permissibly acquired those players by accruing cap savings, to be able to use all of those players in the playoffs, without restriction. You know, like some teams are doing right now as we go into the trade deadline.
3. It alsohas to account for "legitimate" uses of LTIR where players are in fact out the entire season and unable to play in the playoffs at all, where teams use that LTIR space permissibly to acquire other players. You know, like some teams are doing right now as we go into the trade deadline.
4. It also has to allow teams to be able to add/subtract players as needed during the playoffs due to injuries, even when teams are limited to who's available to be used because of unavailability of some players who are in the AHL playoffs.
5. It also has to account for players legitimately injured, who may not in fact be healthy enough to play when the playoffs start, but who can be healthy and able to play after the playoffs start.
6. It ALSO has to be acceptable by the NHLPA, since this will have to be part of the CBA and the union is going to have to sign off on it. [Spoiler: saying players are ineligible to play in the playoffs for purely subjective reasons that have nothing to do with player fitness or league discipline, ... guaranteed not to fly with the NHLPA.]

That's just off the top of my head.

They would do what the cap is supposed to do and even the playing field.
I think it's @KevFu or @tarheelhockey who has repeatedly dispelled this myth of "the cap is supposed to even the playing field" numerous times in the past. If it's not either of those two, perhaps they'll know who has and that person can come and dispel it yet again.

Please do explain the cap's purpose if it doesn't exist during the only part of the schedule that actually matters outside of just getting into the playoffs?
The cap's purpose is to provide a measure of cost certainty for owners. Cost certainty without a cap = teams spend whatever they want --> the players are still bound by a 50/50 split of HRR --> they pay a whole f***ing shitload in escrow, and they've long complained about losing money to escrow.

At this point the cap isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing, so why even have a salary cap?
Because the owners demand cost certainty, which comes via the salary cap. And, that prevents the players from getting taken to the woodshed on escrow as I allude to above.

Why are you so angry?
Why do you think you know what I'm thinking, when you know you have no idea what I think?
 

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