Confirmed Trade: [VGK/CGY/PHI] Noah Hanifin (75% retained), Mikhail Vorobyov to VGK; 2026 1st , 2025 cond. 3rd, Daniil Miromanov to CGY; 2024 5th to PHI

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If the player is healthy force the team to take him off LTIR. Otherwise why have doctors check him out????
I’m sure they would, if the player was deemed healthy. Just because someone is playing in the playoffs doesn’t mean they are fully cleared to play. Players can play through some bad injuries, you just need to be healthy enough
 
What's in the f***ing trade ?

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Going to be diagnosed with a bad case of cabin flu from the flight over. Won’t clear up until the day after the season. Vegas now a looking for a top 6 forward.
 
I’m sure they would, if the player was deemed healthy. Just because someone is playing in the playoffs doesn’t mean they are fully cleared to play. Players can play through some bad injuries, you just need to be healthy enough
Stone being perennially injured means he can basically pick and choose when he decides he's ok to play.
 
You're really close to getting it.

Both of these ideas have only been proposed numerous times, and had explained numerous times why they won't work and are likely to cause more problems than they problem they purport to fix, but sure ... let's keep lobbing it out like if we keep saying it enough times, it will fix all the problems it will really cause.


Right. That's how the conspiracy works. Physicians put their professional reputations on the line signing bogus injury reports. Vegas intentionally parks players on the sidelines and goes into a tailspin. They eventually get guys at the deadline, but the tailspin puts them in a spot where now they really have to work hard to secure a playoff spot and they still end up with a tougher opponent than if they'd just played everyone, no IR, no LTIR. They get everyone back for the playoffs, play the tougher opponents, no home ice advantage, everyone has to expend more energy as a result, and that's an easier path to success and a Cup than if they'd just played everyone, won games in the regular season and played the weaker opponents in the playoffs, with home ice advantage throughout.

It's f***ing brilliant, and it's a foolproof plan. Especially that whole "go play tougher opponents, no home ice advantage" thing. I can't believe other teams haven't caught on to that and started exploiting it themselves.
Considering I work in the rehab field I think I have a better idea than you how easy it is to delay a players return even when they are completely safe and able to return to play. Hell, you can easily have two completely different medical opinions assessing the same person, and its incredibly easy to exploit this.

What problems exactly would the salary cap fixes I discussed present? They would do what the cap is supposed to do and even the playing field. Please do explain the cap's purpose if it doesn't exist during the only part of the schedule that actually matters outside of just getting into the playoffs? At this point the cap isn't doing what it's supposed to be doing, so why even have a salary cap?
 
Pretty crappy actually. The cup is won on the ice, not on paper. Vegas likely got better (waiting on the return) but they are guaranteed nothing.

Oh, but if they somehow manage to keep Hague in this trade, a top-6 of Petro/Hanifin - Theodore/McNabb - Whitecloud/Hague is the chess equivalent of beginning the match with a second Queen and third Bishop.

We’ll see if it works on the ice and if those pieces get “taken,” but if anyone thought that Dallas was going to win the defense arms race in the west, here’s the answer.

Now PLEASE DONT BE HAGUE. 🤪
 
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I’m sure they would, if the player was deemed healthy. Just because someone is playing in the playoffs doesn’t mean they are fully cleared to play. Players can play through some bad injuries, you just need to be healthy enough
True. And it would only matter if the guy was healthy to play weeks before. If the team has a playoff spot locked up they could rest healthy players in the last few games. Why risk another injury to a player just recovering from one.
 
Who reported the trade? I'd think that the return would be out by now unless it is pending retention via a 3rd team or someone else jumped in trying to up the offer?
 
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There is verification, there's just not verification that some people think is acceptable to a standard they deem satisfactory, with all the transparency they demand, f*** the rights of everyone else involved.


You are SO close to getting it.

Why are you so angry?
 
Who reported the trade? I'd think that the return would be out by now unless it is pending retention via a 3rd team or someone else jumped in trying to up the offer?

I wasn't home, but I seem to recall the Timo Meier trade being announced as complete but it took a few hours for the details to come out. Impatient folks had their own conjecture but I think the speed bump was just one of the random AHLers being injured, so the Sharks had to swap in a different player to balance out the number of contracts.
 
Have you seen any actual injury reports pertaining to Stone?
Why the hell would I? I'm an actuary whose current normal day is talking to IT about data needs of the other actuaries and talking with Underwriting about the performance of a certain segment of business and what if anything should be done to return it to profitability; I don't get faxed player injury reports from teams, Dr. Kitzenbush says that Jack Whack is injured for the next 3 weeks, please make sure this exhibit gets to Central Registry and other necessary parties, TIA.

Why the hell would anyone else here see actual injury reports pertaining to Stone, or any other player? 99.99% of people here aren't working in a team front office the league office, dealing with signed forms related to player transactions of any kind; nothing in their jobs would cause them to get handed over player injury reports from teams.

You might as well ask if I've seen the driver's license of the waitress at the restaurant I went to at lunch to know if she's legal to drive, and then suggest oh, so maybe she's not legally allowed to drive. Yeah, I don't know - but neither do you, and it's neither of our f***ing jobs to know. How about leaving that to people whose job it is to figure out that stuff.
 

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