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Confirmed Signing with Link: Vesey signs with the New York Rangers

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Man there's lots of salt in this thread, and that's coming from a Flyers fan...

NYR seemed to come out of nowhere here, good for them
 
Lindberg Cheese said:
In the next 3 years, there are likely 28-29 teams that aren't winning jack ****, I don't see how this serves to support qualitative evaluation.
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Ok so your argument is that since it's hard to win the cup. 1 out of 30 teams win it every year then their are no wrong choices when it comes to a free agents decision. You may not realize it but that's basically what your saying.
 
Good for Vesey. He got to pick wherever he wanted to play and did. NYC is an awesome place to play and live.

Some of you bitter fans should get over it.
 
Avsblitzkrieg said:
Lol I'd be pissed if I was buffalo. Wasn't he and stamkos Toronto bound :)
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I obviously can't speak for Tim Murray or all Buffalo fans, but I am not pissed at all. Honestly, I am used to his type of thing happening. We are a Buffalo after all. Free agents usually don't choose to come here, which is a huge reason we had to tank to get proper talent.

Maybe Tim Murray hasn't learned this yet, but I give him all the credit for continuing to step up to the plate.

Congrats again NYR fans! I hope Vesey finds lots of success playing for you guys!
 
Bryzard of Oz said:
Man there's lots of salt in this thread, and that's coming from a Flyers fan...

NYR seemed to come out of nowhere here, good for them
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Yeah I don't get why signing Vesey invited everyone to come out of the woodwork to crap on the Rangers and tell us that we have no chance and are on a decline as if we already are declining and not coming off a season with the 4th most points in the East.

Only Tampa, Washington and Pittsburgh have a chance out of the East. I don't get why you all don't migrate to the 12 other teams boards and tell them that they have no chance this upcoming season.
 
Seeing a lot of this in the thread:

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It hurts.
 
JT Kreider said:
Yeah, this team is younger.

Except the Rangers have made the playoffs both seasons. The Bruins haven't.

So go in every other teams threads outside of the top 4 and tell them that they have no chance like you're doing with us. I hope that makes you feel better about yourself. Telling someone their team has no chance. Ok mighty one. Tell me more about what happens in the next few years. Since you seem so in tune with what is going to be happening in the future.
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So again you can't give a simple answer?
So many Rangers fans laughing at posters who disagree with the future is bright view and this is your answer.

Rangers are now where the Bruins have been for the last 2 years.

Sarutobi said:
And what do the Rangers have over those other teams? Did you just forget the Rangers are an O6 team playing in NYC? And then there's the fact the core of the team is still young that already has a winning culture.
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How does being an O6 team help to win games on the ice with that roster?
Again you have young players, but no franchise/elite player on that list, you need a true #1C and #1D to compete in this league, and those are the most difficult to find, to trade for.
 
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BB88 said:
So again you can't give a simple answer?
So many Rangers fans laughing at posters who disagree with the future is bright view and yet no one can give honest answers.



How does being an O6 team help to win games?
Again you have young players, but no franchise/elite player on that list, you need true #1C and #1D to compete in this league, and those are the most difficult to find, to trade for.
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The simple answer is we should tank to get ourselves a true bonafide superstar center or defenseman because that's the only way to win a Cup in today's NHL. Emphasis on today.

I'm not going as far back as ANA and DET because the NHL was very different then and those teams were stacked coming out of the lockout. Getzlaf wasn't even the #1 center on that team and Pronger and Niedermayer had more to do with that Cup then Getzlaf. Considering Getz hasn't won jack since they left.

And Dats hasn't done anything since Lidstrom retired.

Everyone says WSH, PIT, TB and FLA are the class of the East. Their best skaters are all top draft picks.

And they certainly wouldn't be where they are without them.
 
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JT Kreider said:
The simple answer is we should tank to get ourselves a true bonafide superstar center or defenseman because that's the only way to win a Cup in today's NHL.

I'm not going as far back as ANA and DET because the NHL was very different then and those teams were stacked. Getzlaf wasn't even the #1 center on that team and he played with Pronger and Niedermayer.
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You don't have to.

Your model should be the 2011 Bruins: depth, great goaltending, solid structure. They won a Cup with Krejci and Bergeron, each of who slots perfectly as a #2C. That's what you hope Stepan and Zib become.

Detroit had Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Filpulla down the middle their Cup year. That's a high end #1C, among the best #2Cs in the league, and a good #3 center. That's actually the model of what you want/need to win a Cup.

Crosby/Malkin/Staal plus Letang and solid depth.
Crosby/Malkin/Bonino plus Letang and solid depth.
Kopitar/Carter/Richards/Stoll plus Doughty and solid depth.
Toews/Richards/Vermette plus Keith and solid depth.
Datzyuk/Zetterberg/Filpulla plus Lidstrom and solid depth.
 
LeetchisGod said:
This is not guaranteed by any means. Are you certain that all their prospects will pan out? Do all of these teams have the right coaching and front office management to attain consistent success? I doubt it.
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Nothing is guaranteed lundqvist could blow his knew out in training camp. Ranger fans keep pointing to their core and how it's youmg but it's filled with just good players. No stars besides McDonough. I just think the Rangers championship potential is gone 2012-2015 those were the years they're gonna look like the Yankees soon tying to put an aging championship team together.

As for those teams even of half of these teams reach their potential they will easily surpass a team that hasn't drafted a first rounder in five years.
 
JT Kreider said:
The simple answer is we should tank to get ourselves a true bonafide superstar center or defenseman because that's the only way to win a Cup in today's NHL. Emphasis on today.

I'm not going as far back as ANA and DET because the NHL was very different then and those teams were stacked coming out of the lockout. Getzlaf wasn't even the #1 center on that team and Pronger and Niedermayer had more to do with that Cup then Getzlaf. Considering Getz hasn't won jack since they left.

And Dats hasn't done anything since Lidstrom retired.

Everyone says WSH, PIT, TB and FLA are the class of the East. Their best players are all top draft picks.
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That's why I have a problem with agreeing that the Rangers are going to be contenders soon again.
I don't believe the core is strong enough(the support group could be) and that missing piece seems to be impossible to trade for. They need to find it one way or another.
 
Der Jaeger said:
You don't have to.

Your model should be the 2011 Bruins: depth, great goaltending, solid structure. They won a Cup with Krejci and Bergeron, each of who slots perfectly as a #2C. That's what you hope Stepan and Zib become.

Detroit had Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Filpulla down the middle their Cup year. That's a high end #1C, among the best #2Cs in the league, and a good #3 center. That's actually the model of what you want/need to win a Cup.

Crosby/Malkin/Staal plus Letang and solid depth.
Crosby/Malkin/Bonino plus Letang and solid depth.
Kopitar/Carter/Richards/Stoll plus Doughty and solid depth.
Toews/Richards/Vermette plus Keith and solid depth.
Datzyuk/Zetterberg/Filpulla plus Lidstrom and solid depth.
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Plus Lidstrom you say that as if he isn't the greatest defenseman of all time.

How come Detroit hasn't done anything since he retired?

Detroit was Lidstrom plus Datsyuk, etc.
 
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Game, set, match... Jeff Gordon!


Good GM's get deals done.


As a fan very happy to be on the winning end of this. As a fan also not expecting for #19 to also be a high impact player in the immediate future. Just happy to see my fav club land a young talented forward w/out having to trade assets away and or draft picks.

:handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap:
 
Kurt Cobain said:
Nothing is guaranteed lundqvist could blow his knew out in training camp. Ranger fans keep pointing to their core and how it's youmg but it's filled with just good players. No stars besides McDonough. I just think the Rangers championship potential is gone 2012-2015 those were the years they're gonna look like the Yankees soon tying to put an aging championship team together.

As for those teams even of half of these teams reach their potential they will easily surpass a team that hasn't drafted a first rounder in five years.
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Getting McDonagh, Zibanejad, Hayes, Zuccarello and now Vesey for free helps make up for all those firsts we traded.

Firsts mind you that were at the end of the draft and not a single player drafted in that vicinity has made any sort of real impact in the NHL.

Except Burakovsky and his 30 game stretch playing with Kuznetsov.
 
Group Chat Legend said:
Well this turned into a pissing match....

All over a guy who likely tops out as a 25-30pt player
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Source?

http://www.tsn.ca/vesey-saga-keeps-coming-back-to-toronto-boston-1.461699

I can't find many NHL talent evaluators who don't think this kid is an NHL-ready top-nine forward, and perhaps ready to score 20 goals, as a starting point anyway, with the potential for maybe more. Better still, for a UFA, he's highly cost efficient. He's going to get the same standard NHL entry level deal from the team that signs him as he was from Nashville. There's no financial bidding war here.
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First, Manager Lou, didn'i coddle Mr. Vesey with hugs and kisses. That the Leafs want and need him so much. David Conte (now with Vegas) mentioned that Lou would challenge the kid. Put the onus on him. Show us what ya got, which is smart.

Secondly, hockey is a team sport as opposed to boxing or golf. In hockey, metaphors like 'family' fly around left and right. If that's the case, wouldn't you think Vesey would be more compelled to sign where Father and Brother scout and play?

It seems selfish and a lack of competitive fire to not come to a Leaf training camp, filled with hungry prospects.

Instead going to an older Ranger team, where as the young buck, he'll get all the fanfare and pressure.

Also, maybe he has his exit planned to Boston in a few years, after getting his feet wet in New Yawk.
 
Lion Hound said:
Game, set, match... Jeff Gordon!


Good GM's get deals done.


As a fan very happy to be on the winning end of this. As a fan also not expecting for #19 to also be a high impact player in the immediate future. Just happy to see my fav club land a young talented forward w/out having to trade assets away and or draft picks.

:handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap:
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You seem to love your team alot, but you can't spell your GM's name?
 
THIRTEEN said:
First, Manager Lou, didn'i coddle Mr. Vesey with hugs and kisses. That the Leafs want and need him so much. David Conte (now with Vegas) mentioned that Lou would challenge the kid. Put the onus on him. Show us what ya got, which is smart.

Secondly, hockey is a team sport as opposed to boxing or golf. In hockey, metaphors like 'family' fly around left and right. If that's the case, wouldn't you think Vesey would be more compelled to sign where Father and Brother scout and play?

It seems selfish and a lack of competitive fire to not come to a Leaf training camp, filled with hungry prospects.

Instead going to an older Ranger team, where as the young buck, he'll get all the fanfare and pressure.

Also, maybe he has his exit planned to Boston in a few years, after getting his feet wet in New Yawk.
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Maybe that competitive fire makes him want to play for a team that tries to make the playoffs every year?
 
Of all the salt in this thread, the funniest are Leaf and Devils fans. Imagine it would be a much different song and dance from their fans if he signed with either of those two clubs.

Welcome aboard, JV!
 
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