Confirmed Signing with Link: Vesey signs with the New York Rangers

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

First, Manager Lou, didn'i coddle Mr. Vesey with hugs and kisses. That the Leafs want and need him so much. David Conte (now with Vegas) mentioned that Lou would challenge the kid. Put the onus on him. Show us what ya got, which is smart.

Secondly, hockey is a team sport as opposed to boxing or golf. In hockey, metaphors like 'family' fly around left and right. If that's the case, wouldn't you think Vesey would be more compelled to sign where Father and Brother scout and play?

It seems selfish and a lack of competitive fire to not come to a Leaf training camp, filled with hungry prospects.

Instead going to an older Ranger team, where as the young buck, he'll get all the fanfare and pressure.

Also, maybe he has his exit planned to Boston in a few years, after getting his feet wet in New Yawk.

So there had to be a second shooter....

 

[Tawnos]

First, Manager Lou, didn'i coddle Mr. Vesey with hugs and kisses. That the Leafs want and need him so much. David Conte (now with Vegas) mentioned that Lou would challenge the kid. Put the onus on him. Show us what ya got, which is smart.

Secondly, hockey is a team sport as opposed to boxing or golf. In hockey, metaphors like 'family' fly around left and right. If that's the case, wouldn't you think Vesey would be more compelled to sign where Father and Brother scout and play?

It seems selfish and a lack of competitive fire to not come to a Leaf training camp, filled with hungry prospects.

Instead going to an older Ranger team, where as the young buck, he'll get all the fanfare and pressure.

Also, maybe he has his exit planned to Boston in a few years, after getting his feet wet in New Yawk.

Yeah, Vesey isn't the most highly touted rookie on the Rangers this season.

 

[Irishguy42]

You seem to love your team alot, but you can't spell your GM's name?

You mean this isn't our GM?

 

[Ezekial]

We get anyone we want. There's no city in the world a 23 year old would rather live then nyc. If youre not from the area you wouldnt understand

I'd rather live in Chicago, if you're not from the area, you wouldn't understand.

What a ****ing cop out of an answer. Not to mention it doesn't make sense. EVERYONE WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN NYC BUT THEY'D HAVE TO LIVE THERE TO UNDERSTAND!

 

[JT Kreider]

The amount of times I've seen Leafs fans butcher Lamoriello on this site.

 

[Kovalev27]

Rangers Forwards:

Stepan 26
Kreider 25
Zibanejad 23
Miller 23
Hayes 24
Vesey 23
Buchnevich 21
Nash 32
Jooris 26
Fast 25
Zuccarello 28
Lindberg 24
Jensen 23

Grabner and Gerbe are depth veterans brought in to mentor and pk. one of Nash or Zuccarello will most likely be dealt before season starts.

On D only Staal and Girardi are over 30 years old....

Explain to me again how theyre an old group?

 

[LeetchisGod]

I'd rather live in Chicago, if you're not from the area, you wouldn't understand.

What a ****ing cop out of an answer. Not to mention it doesn't make sense. EVERYONE WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN NYC BUT THEY'D HAVE TO LIVE THERE TO UNDERSTAND!

I am from NYC originally and I lived in Chicago for 11 years. They are both great cities. I went to college in Boston. It was ideal because it was close to home without having the pressure and hassles of being home. Vesey might have had a similar thought process.

 

[BMOK33]

Well this turned into a pissing match....

All over a guy who likely tops out as a 25-30pt player

I think it's more an issue, at least in my mind that Rangers fans are delusional as to where their team stands. The Metro is the only division in this league where it's dead obvious who is going to finish 1 and 2 in the division. There is virtually zero shot of anyone other than Washington and Pittsburgh claiming those two spots. That in essence puts the Rangers into a potential dogfight with the Isles or Flyers for that 3rd spot, because that 4th spot is no sure thing given Detroit and Boston both got better.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Plus Lidstrom you say that as if he isn't the greatest defenseman of all time.

How come Detroit hasn't done anything since he retired?

Detroit was Lidstrom plus Datsyuk, etc.

Dude, focus.

Cup winning formula: high end center backed by center depth, #1D, solid overall roster depth.

2008: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filpulla; Lidstrom; depth
2009: Crosby, Malkin, Staal; Letang; depth
2010: Toews, Sharp, Bolland, Madden; Keith, depth
2012: Kopitar, Carter, Richards, Stoll; Doughty, depth
2013: Toews, Sharp/Handzus, Bolland, Kruger; Keith; depth
2014: Kopitar, Carter, Richards, Stoll; Doughty; depth
2015: Toews, Richards, Vermette, Kruger; Keith; depth
2016: Crosby, Malkin, Bonino, Cullen; Letang; depth.

In 2006, Carolina had everything except the elite defenseman. In 2007, Anaheim didn't have the elite #1 center. In 2011, Boston had everything except the elite #1 center.

The current Rangers should aim at the 2011 Bruins. That's who they're closest too. The Bruins had Krejci and Bergeron, who played very well in their Cup run. The current Rangers have the center depth, #1D, and roster depth. They just need Stepan and Zibanejad to play really well.

But it's hit or miss. Boston had to claw their way to the Cup in every series in 2011 except against the Habs. All seven game series. And they couldn't match up with about the same team against the Blackhawks two years later, in part due to center depth.

Why did Detroit fade after Lidstrom retired? Pretty easy answer. They are missing the #1D.

 

[ponder]

I gotta say, I still don't really get why he spurned Nashville in the first place. They're a pretty ideal spot for him - awesome dmen, good centres, but really lacking in winger depth after Forsberg and Neal. He'd be in the top 6 immediately on one of the better teams in the league, with a great chance to establish himself as a core player with the franchise.

I get that NY is an awesome city (visited many times, love it), but that really should not be part of your decision making at all when you're just breaking into the league. These are crucial years for his career, where anything can happen from making it as a long term, strong NHLer, or fizzling out quickly as a borderline player/AHLer. It should be all about what's best for your career at this stage, and it seems like he made a poor decision there. NYR are a much weaker team than Nashville, AND they have a lot more competition on the wings - Zuccarello, Nash, Kreider, Miller, Hayes, even guys like Fast and Grabner, seems like he's WAY less certain of a top 6 spot than he'd be with the Preds.

More competition at your position, plus nobody like Subban/Josi/Johansen/Forsberg to play with on the Rangers = bad call, IMO.

 

[Tawnos]

I think it's more an issue, at least in my mind that Rangers fans are delusional as to where their team stands. The Metro is the only division in this league where it's dead obvious who is going to finish 1 and 2 in the division. There is virtually zero shot of anyone other than Washington and Pittsburgh claiming those two spots. That in essence puts the Rangers into a potential dogfight with the Isles or Flyers for that 3rd spot, because that 4th spot is no sure thing given Detroit and Boston both got better.

What you're saying has been "dead obvious" nearly every offseason over the last 5 years. There's always someone more obvious that the Rangers. In that time, the Rangers have finished 1st in the division 2 times and 2nd once.

The Rangers have issues that most of us are aware of. But they've improved their team this offseason in a number of ways, so we will see.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Rangers Forwards:

Stepan 26
Kreider 25
Zibanejad 23
Miller 23
Hayes 24
Vesey 23
Buchnevich 21
Nash 32
Jooris 26
Fast 25
Zuccarello 28
Lindberg 24
Jensen 23

Grabner and Gerbe are depth veterans brought in to mentor and pk. one of Nash or Zuccarello will most likely be dealt before season starts.

On D only Staal and Girardi are over 30 years old....

Explain to me again how theyre an old group?

I'm going to say this again. I believe that the Rangers will still be above average for the next five years. But after those five years, your young core will be in their prime, and you will have offloaded Staal and Girardi. That could be a serious force to be reckoned with. If you could get a new coach right now, maybe he knows how to manage players like Staal and Girardi, stop playing Tanner Glass, and you guys could be better off than you currently are.

 

[Dijock94]

I think it's more an issue, at least in my mind that Rangers fans are delusional as to where their team stands. The Metro is the only division in this league where it's dead obvious who is going to finish 1 and 2 in the division. There is virtually zero shot of anyone other than Washington and Pittsburgh claiming those two spots. That in essence puts the Rangers into a potential dogfight with the Isles or Flyers for that 3rd spot, because that 4th spot is no sure thing given Detroit and Boston both got better.

101 point season and got much younger just shedding Dan Boyle and Dom Moore, adding talent in Buch Vesey Skjei Zibanejad. But duh were a lottery team. This forum is funny, I wouldn't be bashing the Bruins Blackhawks Devils Islanders or Leafs if they signed Vesey. Everyone is taking this so personal.

 

[BMOK33]

What you're saying has been "dead obvious" nearly every offseason over the last 5 years. There's always someone more obvious that the Rangers. In that time, the Rangers have finished 1st in the division 2 times and 2nd once.

The Rangers have issues that most of us are aware of. But they've improved their team this offseason in a number of ways, so we will see.

No way. Last year was the first time I didn't think the Rangers would finish top two. Prior to that I felt it was a given they would for 2-3 years. I don't know how anyone would have felt unsure about them going into the 12-13 and 13-14 seasons

 

[Spectra]

Congrats Rangers, hope he works out. Not too sad he didn't come to the Hawks, even though I objectively think it would have been better for him.

Will be interesting to see him play next season.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

So, as far as I can tell, every other team in the east has at least a decade long window as cup contenders except for the Rangers, who apparently play in a smelly black hole and will never win another game this century. And Vesey somehow makes them worse. Interesting. So weird how a 100+ point team 2 years in a row that has played in more playoff games the last few seasons than almost anyone else is a mess while teams like Toronto are on their 50th season in a row as "cup contenders". Ahh HF boards....where some good prospects are way more important than winning or deep playoff runs. How was the Oilers' parade this year? I must have missed it....

 

[BMOK33]

101 point season and got much younger just shedding Dan Boyle and Dom Moore, adding talent in Buch Vesey Skjei Zibanejad. But duh were a lottery team. This forum is funny, I wouldn't be bashing the Bruins Blackhawks Devils Islanders or Leafs if they signed Vesey. Everyone is taking this so personal.

Ask any Rangers fans who are Mets fans how their young talent is working out this year, never ever ever assume rookies or near rookies are going to pan out

 

[eco's bones]

First, Manager Lou, didn'i coddle Mr. Vesey with hugs and kisses. That the Leafs want and need him so much. David Conte (now with Vegas) mentioned that Lou would challenge the kid. Put the onus on him. Show us what ya got, which is smart.

Secondly, hockey is a team sport as opposed to boxing or golf. In hockey, metaphors like 'family' fly around left and right. If that's the case, wouldn't you think Vesey would be more compelled to sign where Father and Brother scout and play?

It seems selfish and a lack of competitive fire to not come to a Leaf training camp, filled with hungry prospects.

Instead going to an older Ranger team, where as the young buck, he'll get all the fanfare and pressure.

Also, maybe he has his exit planned to Boston in a few years, after getting his feet wet in New Yawk.

Hate to break the news to you but your Maple Leafs have more 30 and older players than the Rangers do on their roster---and we don't even have to count Horton or Robidas.

The Rangers have 5.

1. Lundqvist-34--still an excellent NHL goaltender.
2. Nash-32---a disappointment but a top 6 NHL winger anyway you want to slice it.
3. Girardi-32
4. Klein-32--still a very dependable D.
5. Glass-32--on the last year of his contract.

Maple Leafs without Horton and Robidas have 7.
1. Lupul-33--injury plagued
2. Laich-33--on his last legs.
3. Michalek-31
4. Hunwick-31
5. Bozak-30
6. Polak-30
7. Greening-30

So pretty much I don't what you're talking about. Between those guys and all the other guys the Maple Leafs are paying not to play for them a case could be made that your team needs outside help in handling its finances and cap.

 

[Ezekial]

I am from NYC originally and I lived in Chicago for 11 years. They are both great cities. I went to college in Boston. It was ideal because it was close to home without having the pressure and hassles of being home. Vesey might have had a similar thought process.

I like both cities as well, and to be honest if I could live anywhere it certainly wouldn't be either place.

I was just trying to convey how weak of a statement it was. It annoys me when people from New York (people here do it too) act as if their city is the greatest thing in the world and every person is into that type of lifestyle.

 

[Dijock94]

Ask any Rangers fans who are Mets fans how their young talent is working out this year, never ever ever assume rookies or near rookies are going to pan out

You also can't assume the Rangers who aren't an old team and had 101 points last year are on this steep decline everyone is talking about. It's BS speculation and no one has any clue that's gonna happen. Just like when everyone call them an "old" declining team and you prove how young the roster is but since it refutes there point they skim right over that post.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I like both cities as well, and to be honest if I could live anywhere it certainly wouldn't be either place.

I was just trying to convey how weak of a statement it was. It annoys me when people from New York (people here do it too) act as if their city is the greatest thing in the world and every person is into that type of lifestyle.

Understandable. Having lived in a bunch of different cities they all have pluses and minuses. It depends on what's important to the individual. I moved to the DC area last year and I'm loving it so far.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Ask any Rangers fans who are Mets fans how their young talent is working out this year, never ever ever assume rookies or near rookies are going to pan out

I'm a Ranger and Mets fan and I fail to see your point. The Mets are hurt by injuries, not rookies who don't pan out

 

[Rangers79]

So, as far as I can tell, every other team in the east has at least a decade long window as cup contenders except for the Rangers, who apparently play in a smelly black hole and will never win another game this century. And Vesey somehow makes them worse. Interesting. So weird how a 100+ point team 2 years in a row that has played in more playoff games the last few seasons than almost anyone else is a mess while teams like Toronto are on their 50th season in a row as "cup contenders". Ahh HF boards....where some good prospects are way more important than winning or deep playoff runs. How was the Oilers' parade this year? I must have missed it....

Right? Apparently Rangers are the only team trending downwards, they have no young talent, they're old, overrated players. Or possibly it's just a lot of salt and envy from certain fan bases and certain fans in those groups.

 

[LeighDx59]

I'm just happy it wasnt Pittsburgh or Chicago. He should do well in New York too.

 

[HFBS]

There was no Vesey thread in the NJ forum

They may not know who he is.