Confirmed Signing with Link: Vesey signs with the New York Rangers

[JT Kreider]

What changed in the month+ to turn your opinion?

Brassard for Ziba + Vesey?

Anything else?

Zibanejad actually did a lot to change my opinion. He's our best asset under the age of 25. And the player most likely to have a 60-65 point breakout. Not sure how having a player of that caliber doesn't change things. A lot.

It also gives me hope that there is a plan in place to get younger and that we'll see similar deals for Zuccarello, Klein and Nash that wasn't there previously.

Something like Zuccarello to CGY for a package of Andersson and Poirer+, Klein to EDM for Khaira and Slepyshev, and Nash to Nash for Arvidsson, Doughtery and 1st or 2nd depending on how much we retain. That right there would replenish our farm to the point it almost makes up for all the picks we lost.

Losing Zuccarello would suck because he (like Brassard) was one of the few players who wasn't part of the problem last year. But he's also one of the few players we can afford to lose without damaging the future like losing a McD would and can bring in some much needed youth. Same with Klein.

It would also go with the pattern of getting multiple free assets from an original free asset.

Gomez ---> McD, Gaborik---> Brassard---> Zibanejad.

I always maintained that going into the season with the same roster as last season would be the worst possible thing.

Vesey, Grabner, Gerbe, Jooris in the bottom six will be an improvement by default.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Better throw them grapes away, dey sour.....

Check my post history I didn't even want him.

 

[buttman*]

And that peak lasted how long lol?

What is the ultimate goal in the NHL? Hint: something Henrik has never done and probably never will. He's not the best and never will be. Quick has done it twice by the way. As for that peak he won 40 games last year.

 

[adsfan]

Did he ever state a reason why he didn't want to play in Nashville?

I mean I get NYC is great and all for a young guy (im 25), but Nashville is pretty damn great too for a young guy...especially if you like Blondes

Maybe he thought that he wasn't good enough to be on the top lines of the team who finished in the top eight last season and lost to the SCF Sharks in 7 games. Johansen, Forsberg, Fisher and company are pretty good forwards.

I guess that the Rangers will finish more than 1 point ahead of the Islanders this season.

I have been to Nashville. They have good food, good music, including their symphony, and a good hockey team. The city is growing. The city population ranks #25, just behind Boston.

 

[Der Jaeger]

The Rangers have 10 guys 26 or younger, plus Zuccarello at 29 and underpaid, and prospects. That allows for tremendous savings. Nash will be traded (or less likely, will leave as a free agent in 2 years), Staal will be easily traded because he's still a quality second pair guy and teams are always desperate for defensemen, and Girardi will likely be traded for an overpaid forward who costs less (again, teams always pay a premium to get a defenseman).

Nash ($7.8) and Staal ($5.7) make $13.5. Glass is another $1.5, so that $15. That easily allows the Rangers to sign a star forward and a very good defenseman (and that's NOT counting that Girardi will be traded for someone costing less than him).

So let me get this straight: your Rangers' plan is to dump contracts of way overpayed defensemen?

Which fan base thinks their team stepping up and taking on Staal or Girardi is a good idea? You better be sending a top prospect or pick, which doesn't help.

And you better hope a star center decides to hit free agency and wants to come to NY. Or Stepan and Zib play like Krejci and Bergeron, or Toews. Youth isn't an end all. Cup winners are deep on centers, with high end #1s.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

So let me get this straight: your Rangers' plan is to dump contracts of way overpayed defensemen?

Which fan base thinks their team stepping up and taking on Staal or Girardi is a good idea? You better be sending a top prospect or pick, which doesn't help.

And you better hope a star center decides to hit free agency and wants to come to NY. Or Stepan and Zib play like Krejci and Bergeron, or Toews. Youth isn't an end all. Cup winners are deep on centers, with high end #1s.

Appreciate your concern.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Jesus this kid is most likely a third liner at best judging by historical trends. The salt in this thread is insane from all fanbases. This is a third round pick. Holy crap.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

All their players between 21 and 27 are good but not great, no stars. The kid should of signed with buffalo. Lundquist is getting older and its really showing in his play. They have no prospect pool whatsoever. He made a bad choice if he wants to win a cup. Their defense is a joke with guys like Staal and Girardi who are 5/6 defenders at best. They lost Yandle. McDonough and Klein are solid but that's all they got. They're gonna be one of those teams that squeaks into the playoffs the next few years but they ain't winning jack ****.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

All their players between 21 and 27 are good but not great, no stars. The kid should of signed with buffalo. Lundquist is getting older and its really showing in his play. They have no prospect pool whataoever. He made a bad choice if he wants to win a cup. Their defense is a joke with guys like Staal and Girardi who are 5/6 defenders at beat. They lost Yandle. McDonough and Klein are solid but thate all they got. They're gonna be one of those teams that squeaks into the playoffs the next few years but they ain't winning jack ****.

I'm calling Bettman and having him cancel the Rangers' season.

Edit: He has me on hold....

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

So let me get this straight: your Rangers' plan is to dump contracts of way overpayed defensemen?

Which fan base thinks their team stepping up and taking on Staal or Girardi is a good idea? You better be sending a top prospect or pick, which doesn't help.

And you better hope a star center decides to hit free agency and wants to come to NY. Or Stepan and Zib play like Krejci and Bergeron, or Toews. Youth isn't an end all. Cup winners are deep on centers, with high end #1s.

Girardi will most definitely be bought out next summer, unless some crazy rebound happens and he starts playing like a Norris candidate again (won't happen). Some team run by idiots that appreciate character over skill will probably trade for Staal (again not likely but there's a decent chance, despite what anyone says)

And lastly I'm not sure what you're getting at with the Rangers not being a deep center team. They have some of the best center depth in the league.
Stepan, Zibanejad, Hayes, Miller, Lindberg, Jooris is a deep centered team.

The Rangers have issues, and I agree that youth isn't the end all be all, but I firmly believe the team will be back as a serious cup contender in two seasons or less

 

[JT Kreider]

Jesus this kid is most likely a third liner at best judging by historical trends. The salt in this thread is insane from all fanbases. This is a third round pick. Holy crap.

How come everyone isn't dissecting the Senators future ad nauseum in the Logan Brown thread?

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I'm calling Bettman and having him cancel the Rangers' season.

Edit: He has me on hold....

What you can't take some criticism? You're team is an average playoff team. Simple as that. Not good enough to beat the pens, caps or lightening. And will soon be surpassed by the isles. Panthers, sabers, flyers, senators and Devils. Kid should of signed with buffalo he made a mistake l stand by my comment. Your team had its window between 2012 and 2015 but they came up short and the team you have now is worse than any of those teams.

 

[GAGLine]

How come everyone isn't dissecting the Senators future ad nauseum in the Logan Brown thread?

Because Logan Brown didn't get to choose where he would sign. Vesey did, so that gives every armchair GM the ability to second guess his decision.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

So let me get this straight: your Rangers' plan is to dump contracts of way overpayed defensemen?

Which fan base thinks their team stepping up and taking on Staal or Girardi is a good idea? You better be sending a top prospect or pick, which doesn't help.

And you better hope a star center decides to hit free agency and wants to come to NY. Or Stepan and Zib play like Krejci and Bergeron, or Toews. Youth isn't an end all. Cup winners are deep on centers, with high end #1s.

Fortunately in most cases, GMs make personnel decisions and not fan bases.

 

[darko]

What is the ultimate goal in the NHL? Hint: something Henrik has never done and probably never will. He's not the best and never will be. Quick has done it twice by the way. As for that peak he won 40 games last year.

Uhmm Quick had pretty good sidekicks.

 

[sxvnert]

How long until Bruins fans boo Vesey every time he touches the puck?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Uhmm Quick had pretty good sidekicks.

By his reasoning, every goalie who has ever won a cup is better than Hank.

 

[BB88]

Girardi will most definitely be bought out next summer, unless some crazy rebound happens and he starts playing like a Norris candidate again (won't happen). Some team run by idiots that appreciate character over skill will probably trade for Staal (again not likely but there's a decent chance, despite what anyone says)

And lastly I'm not sure what you're getting at with the Rangers not being a deep center team. They have some of the best center depth in the league.
Stepan, Zibanejad, Hayes, Miller, Lindberg, Jooris is a deep centered team.

The Rangers have issues, and I agree that youth isn't the end all be all, but I firmly believe the team will be back as a serious cup contender in two seasons or less

The problem isn't depth for Rangers, it's the lack of franchise/elite talent, we all should know finding a true #1C or #1D is a nightmare and the Rangers are lacking atleast one of those and untill it's fixed the team isn't going for Cup.
Depth is easy to fix compared to that.

 

[NYCFlyer]

All their players between 21 and 27 are good but not great, no stars. The kid should of signed with buffalo. Lundquist is getting older and its really showing in his play. They have no prospect pool whatsoever. He made a bad choice if he wants to win a cup. Their defense is a joke with guys like Staal and Girardi who are 5/6 defenders at best. They lost Yandle. McDonough and Klein are solid but that's all they got. They're gonna be one of those teams that squeaks into the playoffs the next few years but they ain't winning jack ****.

If he wanted to win, he would've stayed in Nashville. They have all the ingredients for a nice Cup run window. The Rangers are a great franchise that players love to play for, but they have two teams in the division that are currently far superior, the Cup winner and the President trophy winner and three/four teams with excellent young players and prospect pools that will be much stronger in two years.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

How long until Bruins fans boo Vesey every time he touches the puck?

Before first touch, when feet hit the ice for 1st shift

 

[Der Jaeger]

Fortunately in most cases, GMs make personnel decisions and not fan bases.

"Hey, this is Jeff Gorton. Any need for a 29/32 year old defenseman for your bottom pair? He makes $5.7m/$5.5m for the next 5/4 years."

 

[LeetchisGod]

What you can't take some criticism? You're team is an average playoff team. Simple as that. Not good enough to beat the pens, caps or lightening. And will soon be surpassed by the isles. Panthers, Sabres, flyers, senators and Devils. Kid should of signed with buffalo he made a mistake l stand by my comment. Your team had its window between 2012 and 2015 but they came up short and the team you have now is worse than any of those teams.

This is not guaranteed by any means. Are you certain that all their prospects will pan out? Do all of these teams have the right coaching and front office management to attain consistent success? I doubt it.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

All their players between 21 and 27 are good but not great, no stars. The kid should of signed with buffalo. Lundquist is getting older and its really showing in his play. They have no prospect pool whatsoever. He made a bad choice if he wants to win a cup. Their defense is a joke with guys like Staal and Girardi who are 5/6 defenders at best. They lost Yandle. McDonough and Klein are solid but that's all they got. They're gonna be one of those teams that squeaks into the playoffs the next few years but they ain't winning jack ****.

In the next 3 years, there are likely 28-29 teams that aren't winning jack ****, I don't see how this serves to support qualitative evaluation.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

"Hey, this is Jeff Gorton. Any need for a 29/32 year old defenseman for your bottom pair? He makes $5.7m/$5.5m for the next 5/4 years."

Don't quit your day job

 

[Der Jaeger]

Girardi will most definitely be bought out next summer, unless some crazy rebound happens and he starts playing like a Norris candidate again (won't happen). Some team run by idiots that appreciate character over skill will probably trade for Staal (again not likely but there's a decent chance, despite what anyone says)

And lastly I'm not sure what you're getting at with the Rangers not being a deep center team. They have some of the best center depth in the league.
Stepan, Zibanejad, Hayes, Miller, Lindberg, Jooris is a deep centered team.

The Rangers have issues, and I agree that youth isn't the end all be all, but I firmly believe the team will be back as a serious cup contender in two seasons or less

Center depth isn't the issue. Stephan isn't a high end #1C. Hard to win a Cup without one. Not easily acquired aside from the draft.

Stepan/ Zibanejad / Hayes vs.

Crosby / Malkin / Bonino
McDavid/ Draisaitl/RNH
Eichel/Reinhart/O'Reilly

Unless they play like Krejci and Bergeron, those aren't good match ups for the Rangers in a few years.

Sabres fans are all too aware. We went from Drury, Briere, Roy, Connolly to just Roy and Connolly. Never able to win the match ups. Lack of a high end 1C and center depth is the reason the Sabres chose to tank.