Confirmed Signing with Link: Vesey signs with the New York Rangers

[nyr__1994]

Where did I say that they would? You obviously missed my point, and I'm not going to repeat it again

You didn't say they would, but heavily implied it. My point in the original post was that the NYR have been a good and sometimes better than good team since the first lockout. Only missing the playoffs once.

This offseason our GM has let some dead weight go (Moore and Boyle), refused to overpay for a one way offensive d-man (Yandle), Gotten younger and arguably better at the C position (Brassard for Ziba i dont know how to spell it), added a middle six winger on an ELC (Vesey) for nothing.

I am not going to argue that Buffalo has stockpiled some good players, they have. However, I would rather watch a team that has been competitive for the past 10 years, and looks like they will still be competitive for the next 5 than a team that had to be bad on purpose for the chance that they will be good in the future.

 

[Gert B Frobe]

The New York Rangers are a great choice for Jimmy Vesey. If I were a 22 year old newly minted millionaire, I'd love to be based in Manhattan.

Could not disagree more. Maybe that's his thing - crowded city atmosphere and all. Is Vesey from that kind of environment? The noise alone would drive me insane not to mention the perpetual dumpster/diesel/BO stench.

 

[AGMongoose]

Post revised

Please read my post on the last page. The idea that Lundqvist "has lost a step" is not supported by any fact. He again finished top 3 in 5v5 SV% even with the crappy defense in front of him.

 

[nyr__1994]

- Sabres have a better group of forwards than last season (adding Okposo, losing no one, and Fasching/Bailey and possibly Nylander pushing for NHL roster spots).
- Sabres can pair a legit partner for Ristolainen, who is on the cusp of being a #1D. Which puts Gorges on the third pair, making the overall depth solid and slotted correctly.
- Sabres have a #1 center (O'Reilly), and a future #1 superstar center (Eichel) and a #1 future center (Reinhart).
- Tyler Ennis is coming back healthy.
- Sabres went 20-14-7 in the second half after a predictably shaky first half as a bunch of new players figured out how to play together. 94 point pace if they play the same this coming season.

Thank you for a well thought out rebuttal. Much better than trying to say that Stepan is not a #1 C, McDonagh is not a #1 D and Hank is playing net in a wheelchair.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I am not going to argue that Buffalo has stockpiled some good players, they have. However, I would rather watch a team that has been competitive for the past 10 years, and looks like they will still be competitive for the next 5 than a team that had to be bad on purpose for the chance that they will be good in the future.

I'm not dogging the Rangers. Great move signing Vesey, and you're right. They've stayed competitive. But you're low-balling the Sabres. What the Sabres did ensures they will be competitive for the next ten years. It was the whole point. And roster construction matters. Sabres can go three deep at center starting this October, and have a #1D.

It's not a chance they'll be better. They already are. If they play the exact same way they did the last 41 games (turn around point was Reinhart's hat trick against Winnipeg), that's a 94 point pace, with their #1 goalie, O'Reilly, and Bogosian out for stretches. That's competing with the Red Wings for the last playoff spot. And they lost only Pysyk (3rd pairing defenseman), and added Okposo and Kulikov.

 

[TheFinalWord]

He didn't go to Boston or Toronto, a win in my book.

Boston and Toronto aren't out a 3rd round pick. Buffalo is the only team that lost in this whole process since Nashville recouped a 3rd.

A win in my book.

 

[Gnashville]

Boston and Toronto aren't out a 3rd round pick. Buffalo is the only team that lost in this whole process since Nashville recouped a 3rd.

A win in my book.

Predators only got to roll the dice again we can only hope that the player picked with that third Rem Pitlick is as good as Vesey but he is also a college free agent to be and will not sign here.

As my thoughts about Vesey I give his dad 2 months before the Leafs fire him!

 

[Der Jaeger]

Thank you for a well thought out rebuttal. Much better than trying to say that Stepan is not a #1 C, McDonagh is not a #1 D and Hank is playing net in a wheelchair.

Rangers are good. I'd be concerned about not having a #1 center. Stepan probably slots better as a #2.

 

[nyr__1994]

I love Lundqvist. However, with that said, last year was a great example of whats to come. He lost a step last season. He's also declining. And when your superstar goalie no longer performs at an elite level, everything else falls apart. Lundqvist went from being ELITE to GREAT in one season. Whether or not he elevates himself back into the elite category remains to be seen, and is highly unlikely.

I don't think Hank has lost anything. I cant find the numbers because I am going to bed, but I will look tomorrow. Hank faced considerably more High Danger Scoring Chances Against this year than any other goalie. Actually you could argue that with what he faced this past year, it was his best season as a Ranger.

Maybe some other NYR or Hank fan can back me up overnight.

 

[LetsGoIslanders]

Two teams are the biggest losers in this saga, the Rangers and the Sabers.

One team is in a terminal decline, the other thinks they are smarter than other teams that ripped it all down. The Sabers then sign/trade for vets that think will complete their lineup. Two names: Evander Kane and Kyle Okposo. It's going to be interesting situation when Buffalo is at the bottom on the Northeast. Their GM was supposedly the smartest mind who couldn't even string a paragraph together in an interview.

Vesey wins wherever he signs. He has a Harvard degree, or at least has met NCAA requirements for participation.

Would I have liked him to sign with Islanders? Yep. It would've been fun to see where a guy who cost $925k and a decent resume would've fit in the lineup.

 

[clunk]

He skips on a chance to play with Jack Eichel for... The Rangers?!?!?!? LOL

 

[Der Jaeger]

I don't think Hank has lost anything. I cant find the numbers because I am going to bed, but I will look tomorrow. Hank faced considerably more High Danger Scoring Chances Against this year than any other goalie. Actually you could argue that with what he faced this past year, it was his best season as a Ranger.

Maybe some other NYR or Hank fan can back me up overnight.

I wouldn't be worried about Lundqvist right now. Better team = less dangerous opportunities.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Two teams are the biggest losers in this saga, the Rangers and the Sabres.

One team is in a terminal decline, the other thinks they are smarter than other teams that ripped it all down. The Sabres then sign/trade for vets that think will complete their lineup. Two names: Evander Kane and Kyle Okposo. It's going to be interesting situation when Buffalo is at the bottom on the Northeast. Their GM was supposedly the smartest mind who couldn't even string a paragraph together in an interview.

Vesey wins wherever he signs. He has a Harvard degree, or at least has met NCAA requirements for participation.

Would I have liked him to sign with Islanders? Yep. It would've been fun to see where a guy who cost $925k and a decent resume would've fit in the lineup.

Sweet. Which cheap stock company is about to hit it big, so I can invest now?

If that's your summary of the Sabres, you have no idea about the Sabres rebuild.

 

[Sansbacon]

You didn't say they would, but heavily implied it. My point in the original post was that the NYR have been a good and sometimes better than good team since the first lockout. Only missing the playoffs once.

Again, no I didn't. I said you can't predict the future based on previous results, especially when nothing about a hockey organization is static. Any "implications" you've responded to have been clouded by your own rhetoric.

 

[nyr__1994]

Rangers are good. I'd be concerned about not having a #1 center. Stepan probably slots better as a #2.

If you have someone better than Stepan, then yeah he does slot better as a #2, but that does not mean he is not a #1 C. Is he Elite? No way, but he is most definitely a #1 C in the NHL.

 

[Der Jaeger]

If you have someone better than Stepan, then yeah he does slot better as a #2, but that does not mean he is not a #1 C. Is he Elite? No way, but he is most definitely a #1 C in the NHL.

Agree. But in the same way Ryan O'Reilly is a #1 center. Is O'Reilly a #1 center? Yes. But you'd rather slot him on the 2nd or 3rd line, because it makes matchups harder for the opposition.

If I were Gorton, I'd look to trade some winger depth for Shattenkirk and another center.

 

[Sansbacon]

Thank you for a well thought out rebuttal. Much better than trying to say that Stepan is not a #1 C, McDonagh is not a #1 D and Hank is playing net in a wheelchair.

Buffalo's #1C is O'Reilly. And their future superstar #1C is Eichel. So, they most likely have 2. Stepan is a weak #1C, sorry.

McDonagh is a very good, but borderline #1D. I don't see how that's an insult. I watch every Rangers game that doesn't coincide with a Sabres game. He looks lost too often to be considered a #1. He's great when he's on, but average when he's not. I don't think I'm being unfair with that evaluation.

And again with the hyperbole. Apparently going from elite to great is playing in a wheelchair

 

[Cirris]

He skips on a chance to play with Jack Eichel for... The Rangers?!?!?!? LOL

Something happened with Eichel and Vesey. There was a guy showing the Eichel/Vesey line on the suburban Boston area summer league. There were weeks where Eichel and Vesey wouldn't even acknowledge each other on or off the ice. It was like "wow, are these guys even friends?"

Maybe they knew the camera was on them and played it off that way on purpose. But i sort of had a hunch. Playing with EIchel on an upticking team might not be in Vesey's plans.

Maybe Vesey chose the Rangers because he wants to be "the future star" on a team and not play second fiddle to Toews,Kane,Eichel, Matthews. He also chose a big market team.

Could be all about the money with NYR as he'd be able to cash in on big city sponsorship deals that Buffalo can't offer, or that would be taken up by the big stars in Chicago and Toronto.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Something happened with Eichel and Vesey. There was a guy showing the Eichel/Vesey line on the suburban Boston area summer league. There were weeks where Eichel and Vesey wouldn't even acknowledge each other on or off the ice. It was like "wow, are these guys even friends?"

Maybe they knew the camera was on them and played it off that way on purpose. But i sort of had a hunch. Playing with EIchel on an upticking team might not be in Vesey's plans.

Maybe Vesey chose the Rangers because he wants to be "the future star" on a team and not play second fiddle to Toews,Kane,Eichel, Matthews. He also chose a big market team.

Could be all about the money with NYR as he'd be able to cash in on big city sponsorship deals that Buffalo can't offer, or that would be taken up by the big stars in Chicago and Toronto.

IDK. When Eichel got clipped trying to go wide, Vesey went after the guy.

 

[Runner77]

Congrats Rangers.

Now trade him to the Habs for Galchenyuk, because Therrien and Bergevin.

 

[JeffForsberg21]

He skips on a chance to play with Jack Eichel for... The Rangers?!?!?!? LOL

He skips on a chance to play in Buffalo for...New York City !!??!?!?!?! LOL

 

[darko]

Buffalo's #1C is O'Reilly. And their future superstar #1C is Eichel. So, they most likely have 2. Stepan is a weak #1C, sorry.

McDonagh is a very good, but borderline #1D. I don't see how that's an insult. I watch every Rangers game that doesn't coincide with a Sabres game. He looks lost too often to be considered a #1. He's great when he's on, but average when he's not. I don't think I'm being unfair with that evaluation.

And again with the hyperbole. Apparently going from elite to great is playing in a wheelchair

Don't forget that McDonagh plays with Girardi most of the time. When he's played with someone else he's done better. Give McDonagh a solid partner and he's a legit #1.

 

[VanIslander]

He skips on a chance to play in Buffalo for...New York City !!??!?!?!?! LOL

He skips on a chance to play close to Niagra Falls for.... a place near his home and family???!!???

 

[Der Jaeger]

He skips on a chance to play close to Niagra Falls for.... a place near his home and family???!!???

There's a joke in this.

 

[nhlfan9191]

He skips on a chance to play in Buffalo for...New York City !!??!?!?!?! LOL

Outsider looking in. If hockey wasn't the number one priority when picking a team, then I wouldn't want him on my team period. This guy isn't Wayne Gretzky. He isn't even a sure fire NHL player yet.