Confirmed Signing with Link: Vesey signs with the New York Rangers

[YearlyLottery]

He actually played really well... Snakebitten is the term I would use for that year.

How many points has Tavares scored in the Stanley Cup Final?

How many cup final games have the Islanders been to in the last 30 years?

Now that's a bad stretch.

Maybe Vesey didn't want to play his home games in a basketball arena for the third worst attended team in the league?

Source: http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance

All valid points. With the exception of Dijock both of you guys just didn't really respond to the post. I especially liked the part where a poster brings up the past 30 years to beat his chest that he is a fan of a true hockey team.

He even followed it up with another comment on how the Isles play in a basketball arena. He made fun of the attendance. I don't see any other NHL teams that have a car in their arena. Jokes on you.

How many points does Tavares have in the Stanley Cup Finals? Just as many as Rick Nash.

 

[Stephen]

The New York Rangers are a great choice for Jimmy Vesey. If I were a 22 year old newly minted millionaire, I'd love to be based in Manhattan.

 

[ijuka]

No teams have won a game in 16/17 yet, but the best way to predict the future is to look at past results. Isn't that what analytics are all about?

Would I be surprised if they miss the playoffs yeah, but not shocked. They are one or two key injuries (King or Mcdonagh) from being a lottery team. However, they are also better than they were last year when they were one of the top 4 teams in the east. If they swapped positions with the Isles in the standings, you can make the argument that they would have made the ECF again, but they didn't and ran into the buzzsaw that was the Penguins and got bounced in the first round.

Your beloved Sabres have been an absolute dumpster fire for the past several years. Good luck changing the culture of that locker room overnight. Maybe in 5 years they will will a playoff series or two. Which the Rangers have managed to do quite a bit of the past 10 years.

You know, I have for a couple of years now thought that the best course of action for NYR would probably be a full rebuild. I don't see a very bright future for them and Lundqvist and co. would still get plenty of value. The talent pool isn't great and in a couple of years, Lundqvist will decline. At that point, you're left with an anchor of a contract that will not be able to be moved and that will completely remove any possibility for contention. In my opinion, that's a contract that needs to be shipped to a contender, as soon as possible. With the kind of a core Rangers have, there's no sense in playing out the few good years Lundqvist has left instead of trading while he still has value.


With this under consideration, it's ironic that you'd insult someone's team when they actually are properly rebuilding.

 

[Der Jaeger]

All those top ten picks must have been nice. Especially those #2 OA's

Having high lottery picks is not a...luxury (?) that the Rangers have had.

It was deliberate. Sabres sold off slowly. They traded Vanek, Miller, Roy, Gaustad, and Pominville over time.

Draft Ristolainen, got worse. Bottomed out and got Reinhart and Eichel. Grigorenko and Zadarov for O'Reilly.

Sabres were a winger-goal strong team. They bottomed out on purpose to rebuild the team.

 

[Savant]

All valid points. With the exception of Dijock both of you guys just didn't really respond to the post. I especially liked the part where a poster brings up the past 30 years to beat his chest that he is a fan of a true hockey team.

He even followed it up with another comment on how the Isles play in a basketball arena. He made fun of the attendance. I don't see any other NHL teams that have a car in their arena. Jokes on you.

How many points does Tavares have in the Stanley Cup Finals? Just as many as Rick Nash.

If you don't realize the car is the joke, then this is not worth further replying too.

 

[Savant]

It was deliberate. Sabres sold off slowly. They traded Vanek, Miller, Roy, Gaustad, and Pominville over time.

Draft Ristolainen, got worse. Bottomed out and got Reinhart and Eichel. Grigorenko and Zadarov for O'Reilly.

Sabres were a winger-goal strong team. They bottomed out on purpose to rebuild the team.

No that's a perfectly fine strategy. My point is that the Rangers don't have the the option of building a team that way. The Rangers have done perfectly well using the resources at their disposal.

 

[kingsfan28]

The New York Rangers are a great choice for Jimmy Vesey. If I were a 22 year old newly minted millionaire, I'd love to be based in Manhattan.

IDK, after state taxes and everyone else's cut, more like 450k .Might want to rent a place with Hayes and save a few bucks.

 

[nyr__1994]

No, it's actually not. Watching a subpar aging defense, an elite goalie on the brink of a rapid decline, and a lack of superstar talent, as well as factoring in teams on the rise is a much better way to predict the future.


Yes they have, and by design. Someone hasn't been paying attention...


Which has nothing to do with this upcoming season. You really want to tell me that the Rangers are going to have a better season than Buffalo based SOLEY on what the 2 teams have done in the past 10 years in the playoffs?

Nope, I am going to tell you that the Rangers are going to have a better season than the Sabres for the following reasons:

- The Rangers have a better group of forwards than they did last year
- The two 'anchors' on Defense actually have an off season to train and get ready for the season instead of recovering from surgeries while taking their team to the SCF and ECF (while on broken ankles and knees). Both Staal and Girardi were not able to skate at all in the offseason and only got back on the ice at training camp. Will they be great defenders? No. Will they be better than they were last year? Most signs point to yes.
- They will be a younger/faster team than they were in 15/16
- They have a current #1 C, not a future #1C
- They have a current #1 D, not a potential future #1 D
- They have an ELITE G, not a potential starter who cant stay healthy.

Now make your case as to why the Sabres will have a better record than the Rangers next season.

 

[AGMongoose]

I love how for the past 3 years or so we keep hearing about Lundqvist's imminent hard decline. Guess what. It has not happened and there is not even any evidence that he is declining. He just finished #3 in 5v5 CSv%, FSv%. So maybe we should pump the brakes on this idea that he is declining. At least just a little bit.

 

[JT Kreider]

I see posters mainly disagreeing with Rangers fans who say the future is bright, not hating.

The future being bright is a subjective thing.

We're not in a decline until we actually decline.

 

[Der Jaeger]

No that's a perfectly fine strategy. My point is that the Rangers don't have the the option of building a team that way. The Rangers have done perfectly well using the resources at their disposal.

OK, and agreed. Rangers really can't do what the Sabres did. Not in NYC.

 

[BBKers]

Gorton
Stealth
Jedi

Like I said a couple days ago...

 

[nyr__1994]

You know, I have for a couple of years now thought that the best course of action for NYR would probably be a full rebuild. I don't see a very bright future for them and Lundqvist and co. would still get plenty of value. The talent pool isn't great and in a couple of years, Lundqvist will decline. At that point, you're left with an anchor of a contract that will not be able to be moved and that will completely remove any possibility for contention. In my opinion, that's a contract that needs to be shipped to a contender, as soon as possible. With the kind of a core Rangers have, there's no sense in playing out the few good years Lundqvist has left instead of trading while he still has value.


With this under consideration, it's ironic that you'd insult someone's team when they actually are properly rebuilding.

I do agree the future does look bright for the team upstate. However a rebuild is not proper or complete until the team wins a Cup, or so I am told. It seems that way because while the NYR have been the arguably the 3rd or 4th most successful team over the past 5 years, it has been a waste because they didn't win a Cup.

 

[Savant]

I think it's a good joke, so that's that.

My opinion doesn't mean anything because the Isles have not been to a final in 30 years yet the NYR have won one cup in how many years?

Right.... I'm sorry..

You are making fun of the Rangers drought, yet the Islanders have a longer drought.

Good night.

 

[Sansbacon]

Nope, I am going to tell you that the Rangers are going to have a better season than the Sabres for the following reasons:

- The Rangers have a better group of forwards than they did last year
- The two 'anchors' on Defense actually have an off season to train and get ready for the season instead of recovering from surgeries while taking their team to the SCF and ECF (while on broken ankles and knees). Both Staal and Girardi were not able to skate at all in the offseason and only got back on the ice at training camp. Will they be great defenders? No. Will they be better than they were last year? Most signs point to yes.
- They will be a younger/faster team than they were in 15/16
- They have a current #1 C, not a future #1C
- They have a current #1 D, not a potential future #1 D
- They have an ELITE G, not a potential starter who cant stay healthy.

Now make your case as to why the Sabres will have a better record than the Rangers next season.

Where did I say that they would? You obviously missed my point, and I'm not going to repeat it again

 

[Wats]

Rangers get free ufa prospects so often they can afford to trade picks.

 

[Savant]

OK, and agreed. Rangers really can't do what the Sabres did. Not in NYC.

I mean they COULD but as I said earlier in the thread the Rangers have had zero picks in between 1-9 overall since the lockout because they have been in the playoffs I don't know how many top 9 picks Buffalo has had in that time but there is a simple reason the Rangers have not been able to get an elite prospect to accelerate such a rebuild. They literally have not been in the position to reliably do so.

 

[Savant]

Rangers get free ufa prospects so often they can afford to trade picks.

That's how the Rangers have to rebuild. They weren't getting top lottery picks any way. Chicago utilizes a similar strategy.

 

[EichHart]

He didn't go to Boston or Toronto, a win in my book.

 

[JT Kreider]

Rangers get free ufa prospects so often they can afford to trade picks.

We've gotten McDonagh, Zibb, Zuccarello, Hayes and Vesey for free. I'll take them over all those late 1st round picks that we traded, with no players being drafted in that area amounting to anything yet.

We have to do business this way since we can't draft at the top because we're always a playoff team.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Nope, I am going to tell you that the Rangers are going to have a better season than the Sabres for the following reasons:

- The Rangers have a better group of forwards than they did last year
- The two 'anchors' on Defense actually have an off season to train and get ready for the season instead of recovering from surgeries while taking their team to the SCF and ECF (while on broken ankles and knees). Both Staal and Girardi were not able to skate at all in the offseason and only got back on the ice at training camp. Will they be great defenders? No. Will they be better than they were last year? Most signs point to yes.
- They will be a younger/faster team than they were in 15/16
- They have a current #1 C, not a future #1C
- They have a current #1 D, not a potential future #1 D
- They have an ELITE G, not a potential starter who cant stay healthy.

Now make your case as to why the Sabres will have a better record than the Rangers next season.

- Sabres have a better group of forwards than last season (adding Okposo, losing no one, and Fasching/Bailey and possibly Nylander pushing for NHL roster spots).
- Sabres can pair a legit partner for Ristolainen, who is on the cusp of being a #1D. Which puts Gorges on the third pair, making the overall depth solid and slotted correctly.
- Sabres have a #1 center (O'Reilly), and a future #1 superstar center (Eichel) and a #1 future center (Reinhart).
- Tyler Ennis is coming back healthy.
- Sabres went 20-14-7 in the second half after a predictably shaky first half as a bunch of new players figured out how to play together. 94 point pace if they play the same this coming season.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I mean they COULD but as I said earlier in the thread the Rangers have had zero picks in between 1-9 overall since the lockout because they have been in the playoffs I don't know how many top 9 picks Buffalo has had in that time but there is a simple reason the Rangers have not been able to get an elite prospect to accelerate such a rebuild. They literally have not been in the position to reliably do so.

Sabres have 4 picks 9 or higher since the lockout, and all recent/due to the tank: Ristolainen, Eichel, Reinhart, Nylander. Since picking Pierre Turgeon in 1987, they only had two others: Vanek and Rasmussen. Sabres are only recent top ten drafters.

Do you think NYC would accept a tank? I don't know if that works in that type of market.

 

[YearlyLottery]

We've gotten McDonagh, Zibb, Zuccarello, Hayes and Vesey for free. I'll take them over all those late 1st round picks that we traded, with no players being drafted in that area amounting to anything yet.

We have to do business this way since we can't draft at the top because we're always a playoff team.

I think the point people are trying to make is that the NYR could be that much better if they had some first round picks.

 

[Sansbacon]

- The Rangers have a better group of forwards than they did last year Debatable
- The two 'anchors' on Defense actually have an off season to train and get ready for the season instead of recovering from surgeries while taking their team to the SCF and ECF (while on broken ankles and knees). Both Staal and Girardi were not able to skate at all in the offseason and only got back on the ice at training camp. Will they be great defenders? No. Will they be better than they were last year? Every team deals with injuries. These are just excuses.
- They will be a younger/faster team than they were in 15/16 Can't argue there
- They have a current #1 C, not a future #1C Stepan? Sure, whatever you say.
- They have a current #1 D, not a potential future #1 D McDonough is good, but he's already declining, sorry
- They have an ELITE G, not a potential starter who can't stay healthy. I love Lundqvist. However, with that said, last year was a great example of whats to come. He lost a step last season. He's also declining. And when your superstar goalie no longer performs at an elite level, everything else falls apart. Lundqvist went from being ELITE to GREAT in one season. Whether or not he elevates himself back into the elite category remains to be seen, and is highly unlikely.

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[PM]

I would also choose to be a young athlete millionaire in New York City. These next few years will be the best of this guy's life.