Confirmed Signing with Link: Vesey signs with the New York Rangers

[YearlyLottery]

If Rick Nash is done, as our great scholars here at HF have decided, I'd love to hear everyone's opinions on Ladd who had a worse season. I doubt they'd label him a 1st liner. Actually they probably would. Because of the hatred this board has towards the Rangers it blinds everyone to the point of ignorance. This thread being a prime example.

ITT Miller, Kreider and Zibanejad have been labeled as not too impressive. Those three are more proven than the trio of Strome Lee and Nelson. I guess HF logic is that they are less than not too impressive.

Barzal as your 2nd line center. Good luck with that.

Going to take a wild guess and say you haven't looked up much on the Isles this offseason. Your logic says Barzal plays ahead of Strome? That isn't good logic..

 

[Ciao]

He's not going to flourish there. They're a good team when Lundqvist is playing well, but when he's not - they're middle of the pack. They just don't have the skaters to get anywhere without great goaltending. I don't think they suck but they're not getting past the 2nd round any time soon. Quite possibly for a long time because those prospects are pretty darn bad, and Vesey doesn't tip the scale nearly enough.

He's already got it made.

23 years old. Harvard degree. Three-year multi-million dollar contract with the New York Rangers.

In the unlikely event that he never gets another contract, he'll come out of this one with a few million dollars in earnings, contacts in the Big Apple and everything he needs to start working on his post-hockey career.

If the hockey thing works out, so much the better.

 

[JT Kreider]

No, not rebuilding - just not doing anything. Make the playoffs, get bounced in the 1st or 2nd round with no legitimate chance to really advance. NYR has some great depth up front. They don't have the offensive superstar that many other teams do, but they have a lot of younger guys who in theory should keep improving. But any success they have will be inspite of their blueline - and NYR fans had better hope that Lundqvist ages very very gracefully so that his 8.5m contract isn't another boat anchor like Girardi's and potentially Staal's is.

tell me more about what happens in the next few years. Since you're talking like you've seen the Rangers make the playoffs only to be one and done multiple times.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Out

Dan Boyle (39)
Dominic Moore (35)
Keith Yandle (29)

In
Dylan McIllrath (23)
Oscar Lindberg/Josh Jooris (24/26)
Brady Skjei (21)

You have 3 regular skaters over the age of 30 entering camp this year, with the majority of the players in the 21-26 age group. Sounds like an aging core on the downswing to me...

I forgot this is HF where having a great prospect pool outweighs winning games on the ice.

Let me help you out a bit more:

Out:
Dan Boyle (39)
Dominic Moore (35)
Keith Yandle (29)
Derick Brassard (29)
Tanner Glass (32)
Viktor Stalberg (30)

In
Dylan McIllrath (23)
Josh Jooris (26)
Brady Skjei (21)
Pavel Buchnevich (21)
Mika Zibanejad (23)
Jimmy Vesey (23)

ZomG no first rounders!

 

[Der Jaeger]

Out

Dan Boyle (39)
Dominic Moore (35)
Keith Yandle (29)

In
Dylan McIllrath (23)
Oscar Lindberg/Josh Jooris (24/26)
Brady Skjei (21)

You have 3 regular skaters over the age of 30 entering camp this year, with the majority of the players in the 21-26 age group. Sounds like an aging core on the downswing to me...

I forgot this is HF where having a great prospect pool outweighs winning games on the ice.

Last sentence is a good point.

The key is transitioning the pool into NHL talent. Buffalo had a good shot because of that. They transitioned Reinhart, Ristolainen, etc. into NHL players.

I'm interested to see how the Rangers do. They are strongest on the wing and in net. Sabres did that about five years ago. Didn't turn out so good. We'll see how it turns out.

Congrats.

 

[JT Kreider]

Going to take a wild guess and say you haven't looked up much on the Isles this offseason. Your logic says Barzal plays ahead of Strome? That isn't good logic..

I was actually listening to the NHL radio Isles preview and they had a clip of Staple or someone talking up Barzal for 2nd line center duties.

 

[YearlyLottery]

I was actually listening to the NHL radio Isles preview and they had a clip of Staple or someone talking up Barzal for 2nd line center duties.

I don't see that happening. Staple doesn't usually get stuff right on the Isles. If Barzal outplays Strome then he must really be coming along quick. I don't expect that right off the bat though.

 

[Uncle Dru]

When did I ever say he was done?

The reason people are so sour on Nash is because he ONLY produces in the regular season and last year he did not even produce in the regular season.

I'm guessing you count Okposo as a first liner and Ladd as a second liner though? That's your first problem.

Nash has 18 pts in his last 24 playoff games....some of these narratives

 

[YearlyLottery]

Nash has 18 pts in his last 24 playoff games....some of these narratives

How many points did he have in the Cup finals when you guys actually had a chance?

I know I know.. It was a bad stretch right?

 

[nyr__1994]

I'm not doubting that the Rangers can still have a good regular season and make the playoffs, however, they haven't won a single game in the 16-17 season yet, so assuming that they're a shoe-in due to their recent past is only setting yourself up for disappointment. I also wouldn't be surprised if they're a bubble team and miss out this year, for what it's worth.

No teams have won a game in 16/17 yet, but the best way to predict the future is to look at past results. Isn't that what analytics are all about?

Would I be surprised if they miss the playoffs yeah, but not shocked. They are one or two key injuries (King or Mcdonagh) from being a lottery team. However, they are also better than they were last year when they were one of the top 4 teams in the east. If they swapped positions with the Isles in the standings, you can make the argument that they would have made the ECF again, but they didn't and ran into the buzzsaw that was the Penguins and got bounced in the first round.

Your beloved Sabres have been an absolute dumpster fire for the past several years. Good luck changing the culture of that locker room overnight. Maybe in 5 years they will will a playoff series or two. Which the Rangers have managed to do quite a bit of the past 10 years.

 

[Dijock94]

How many points did he have in the Cup finals when you guys actually had a chance?

I know I know.. It was a bad stretch right?

He actually played really well... Snakebitten is the term I would use for that year.

 

[kingsfan28]

You'll see more NBC hype of Vesey vs Eichel than Mathews vs McDavid and Pierre McGuire will make sure you know it.

 

[nyr__1994]

How many points did he have in the Cup finals when you guys actually had a chance?

I know I know.. It was a bad stretch right?

How many points has Tavares scored in the Stanley Cup Final?

 

[Savant]

How many points did he have in the Cup finals when you guys actually had a chance?

I know I know.. It was a bad stretch right?

How many cup final games have the Islanders been to in the last 30 years?

Now that's a bad stretch.

Maybe Vesey didn't want to play his home games in a basketball arena for the third worst attended team in the league?

Source: http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance

 

[Savant]

You'll see more NBC hype of Vesey vs Eichel than Mathews vs McDavid and Pierre McGuire will make sure you know it.

Not entirely fair but true. The opposite would be the case for Canadian based stations though.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Wish you all the best kid, give the Penguins hell

 

[JT Kreider]

You'll see more NBC hype of Vesey vs Eichel than Mathews vs McDavid and Pierre McGuire will make sure you know it.

Oh Pierre is gonna go HAM with his Harvard references and connections.

 

[snipes]

You'll see more NBC hype of Vesey vs Eichel than Mathews vs McDavid and Pierre McGuire will make sure you know it.

Except NBC decided not to have a single Oilers game on their schedule. Many American fans won't even get a chance to see a single game of his next year.

 

[Kitchener Boy]

I thought he was a die-hard Bruins fan. What Bruins fan chooses to play for the Rangers when he has a choice of virtually every team in the league. That's the weirdest part of this. I thought for sure he was going to the B's

Good question.

Maybe the die-hard Bruins fan stuff was BS.

 

[Irishguy42]

Oh Pierre is gonna go HAM with his Harvard references and connections.

Pierre has already started, according to Rotter

 

[kingsfan28]

Oh Pierre is gonna go HAM with his Harvard references and connections.

Oh for sure. We'll know exactly what Vesey ate for breakfast every morning before games at Harvard and with whom.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Your beloved Sabres have been an absolute dumpster fire for the past several years. Good luck changing the culture of that locker room overnight. Maybe in 5 years they will will a playoff series or two. Which the Rangers have managed to do quite a bit of the past 10 years.

Culture change is already complete. Gutless team with no leadership was Vanek, Roy, Stafford, etc. Locker room is 180 changed with Gionta and O'Reilly. Old issue. Kane's not long for the team.

Dumpster fire was due to a sell off which equalled acquisition of a future #1 D in Ristolainen, and three top line centers in Eichel, Reinhart, and O'Reilly.

Sabres will be in the playoffs soon enough, and will be there for a bit.

 

[Savant]

Culture change is already complete. Gutless team with no leadership was Vanek, Roy, Stafford, etc. Locker room is 180 changed with Gionta and O'Reilly. Old issue. Kane's not long for the team.

Dumpster fire was due to a sell off which equalled acquisition of a future #1 D in Ristolainen, and three top line centers in Eichel, Reinhart, and O'Reilly.

Sabres will be in the playoffs soon enough, and will be there for a bit.

All those top ten picks must have been nice. Especially those #2 OA's

Having high lottery picks is not a...luxury (?) that the Rangers have had.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I thought he was a die-hard Bruins fan. What Bruins fan chooses to play for the Rangers when he has a choice of virtually every team in the league. That's the weirdest part of this. I thought for sure he was going to the B's

Why not? Bruins/Rangers haven't really been rivals since the 70s. Yeah, original 6 match up, yadda, yadda but there's a mutual respect there. If Nilan could play for Montreal, anythings possible.

 

[Sansbacon]

No teams have won a game in 16/17 yet, but the best way to predict the future is to look at past results. Isn't that what analytics are all about?

No, it's actually not. Watching a subpar aging defense, an elite goalie on the brink of a rapid decline, and a lack of superstar talent, as well as factoring in teams on the rise is a much better way to predict the future.

Your beloved Sabres have been an absolute dumpster fire for the past several years.

Yes they have, and by design. Someone hasn't been paying attention...

Maybe in 5 years they will will a playoff series or two. Which the Rangers have managed to do quite a bit of the past 10 years.

Which has nothing to do with this upcoming season. You really want to tell me that the Rangers are going to have a better season than Buffalo based SOLEY on what the 2 teams have done in the past 10 years in the playoffs?