Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[BB88]

Good luck cheating a lacerated spleen and the timelines for it.

So what are the odds for you that he’s going to play in game 82?
I bet you are going to answer zero, yet you know he’s quaranteed to play in the 1st round

But funny how you can’t go around the league protocol

Easy to recover for the start of the playoffs if the timeline for your recovery is for the start of the playoffs?

...Yeah, that goes without saying.

It wasn’t

It should take longer than this, and amazingly these things keep happening year after year.

You can get the timing of the healing be placed exactly on the day the cap goes away.
Nope just not a damm chance to play in game 82 but you are all cleared the next day

Don’t try to act like this is one off

 

[Ted Hoffman]

My suggestion is that any player on LTIR for game 82 is ineligible for the first two games of the playoffs.

1. This presumes that when any injury is healed can be determined with this kind of precision. Contrary to what someone else (incorrectly) argued, that's ... not how medical diagnoses work.

2. I can think of an instant counter-example: concussions. Because of league protocol, a player might well be "not able to play" in Game 82 because of minimum required waiting time to be symptom-free, but "able to play" in Game 1 of the playoffs days later. The NHLPA isn't going to allow a player to be forced back into the lineup for Game 82 in order to play Game 1 when the player hasn't cleared concussion protocol for Game 82, but would clear it for Game 1.

How the hell can a player be too injured to play in game 82 but be all cleared for game 1, amazingly at the time the cap goes away

1. See above example.
2. Stop me if you've heard this: if this were a serious problem for the league, it would have investigated long ago and taken action at some point. For all the instances people have claimed a team has cheated in the playoffs with LTIR and guys coming back for Game 1, the fact that it never has should tell you what kind of a problem the league thinks it really is.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

The League itself disagrees. Gary Bettman addresses hockey world's LTIR concerns after Vegas Golden Knights trade deadline debacle

 

[BB88]

The League itself disagrees. Gary Bettman addresses hockey world's LTIR concerns after Vegas Golden Knights trade deadline debacle

Oh no everyone is shocked I tell ya

1. This presumes that when any injury is healed can be determined with this kind of precision. Contrary to what someone else (incorrectly) argued, that's ... not how medical diagnoses work.

2. I can think of an instant counter-example: concussions. Because of league protocol, a player might well be "not able to play" in Game 82 because of minimum required waiting time to be symptom-free, but "able to play" in Game 1 of the playoffs days later. The NHLPA isn't going to allow a player to be forced back into the lineup for Game 82 in order to play Game 1 when the player hasn't cleared concussion protocol for Game 82, but would clear it for Game 1.


1. See above example.
2. Stop me if you've heard this: if this were a serious problem for the league, it would have investigated long ago and taken action at some point. For all the instances people have claimed a team has cheated in the playoffs with LTIR and guys coming back for Game 1, the fact that it never has should tell you what kind of a problem the league thinks it really is.

All I’m saying that if we cut the bs out of this (the excuses the fans throw out here) far less people would have a problem with it

 

[Stud Muffin]

I can’t imagine the company who insure’s Stone’ contract will be too happy if he’s back for game 1

 

[Ted Hoffman]

All I’m saying that if we cut the bs out of this (the excuses the fans throw out here) far less people would have a problem with it

I don't disagree with that, but in the end it's still people demanding a solution to a problem the league intentionally chooses to ignore. Which, they might as well be writing letters to Microsoft demanding free Microsoft Office in perpetuity.

I can’t imagine the company who insure’s Stone’ contract will be too happy if he’s back for game 1

This presumes his contract and this absence was insured to begin with. Which, that kicks off a long discussion that's better suited over on the BoH forum.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Technically they are following the rules put in place by the NHL

VGK management does everything they can to win every year and every other NHL team has the ability to do the same thing when they have injuries.

I like it.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Oh no everyone is shocked I tell ya



All I’m saying that if we cut the bs out of this (the excuses the fans throw out here) far less people would have a problem with it

Seriously doubt that even 1% of hockey fans know what LTIR is, which is one of the reasons the NHL can continue to blissfully ignore the whole thing.

HFBoards tend to be the uber-hardcore fans, not the average ones just happy to take wifey to the game and have a beer maybe.

 

[Quinning]

Wow, who could have seen this coming?

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

The League itself disagrees. Gary Bettman addresses hockey world's LTIR concerns after Vegas Golden Knights trade deadline debacle

Gary Bettman is never going to publicly say anything that calls into question the competitive fairness of the NHL playoffs. It's like publicly supporting the refs while possibly handling issues behind closed doors.

The question is will the NHL ever actually address this, that will reveal what the league really thinks. I see it like the backdiving contracts with phony retirement years, within the rules but NJ went too far so they felt they had to intervene. Some team is going to go too far, or possibly Vegas winning the cup this year will piss off enough GMs and something will change.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Funny because there is no cap in the PO so of course they were compliant. If the cap applied in the PO they would have been over

lol, no, if there was a cap in playoffs, every game Vegas iced last year was cap compliant. Sorry to disappoint, unless McCrimmon was lying.

 

[TheSuperElite]

Real hockey fans will always put an asterisk next to last year’s cup. Would have been bliss to win it fairly, now Vegas fans have to pretend not to be bothered every time sometime brings it up

 

[Golden_Jet]

Real hockey fans will always put an asterisk next to last year’s cup. Would have been bliss to win it fairly, now Vegas fans have to pretend not to be bothered every time sometime brings it up

Read up one post lol.

 

[Voight]

pure envy of Cup Winners

That's just it, if Vegas had lost in the WCF last year, I dont think many people would be raising hell over this.

 

[Mr Positive]

I'm eye rolling less about him practicing after hearing the rule that he has to attend practices at this time to be eligible for playoffs. (I believe I have that right)

So perhaps this is just box checking. But yes it is still irritating that this all is so convenient. That old saying seems apt, about how if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. This really looks, sounds and smells like circumvention. That doesn't mean it is, but the league has to do something.

Either close up the loop hole if it is one, or make a lot more transparency so fans don't make this interpretation that they so naturally would

Does the NHL like being known as a league where rules are broken?

 

[Crease]

Rangers are doing this with Chytil so it’s becoming more of a league wide practice now.

 

[The Nuge]

Technically they are following the rules put in place by the NHL

VGK management does everything they can to win every year and every other NHL team has the ability to do the same thing when they have injuries.

I like it.

The problem most people have is how things are selectively applied by the league. If Vegas and Tampa pulling this isn’t an issue, then it shouldn’t have been an issue for Columbus to deal Nyquist to a contender last year in order to stash for the playoffs. But the league came out and said that would be cap circumvention

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

Holy smokes, nobody saw this coming.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Phenomenal timing for Stone to be ready for Game 1 playoffs. Hope he had a nice vacation.

 

[dukeofjive]

Dude is so Injured that he was seen golfing in Vancouver.

 

[bleedgreen]

Of course the league is fine with it, it’s not against the rules. Anyone can do it. Vegas takes chances other teams won’t. It’ll bite them at some point, but good on them for always trying to win. I never understand the use of the word circumvent here, as it’s not against the rules.

 

[Heffyhoof]

It's making me question being a fan. What's the actual point in cheering for a team in a series of competitions when a team or two every year is allowed to blatantly cheat. It literally destroys the whole point of sport. How can I cheer for my team that's playing within a set of limits that certain other teams simply don't?

The worst part is fans who pass it off as ok "it's not against the rules", despite it being utterly against the spirit of the rules and still actually an illegal circumvention. Some fans are willing to eat any sh*t that Bettman and his worsening league throw at them.

 

[Navx94]

Who really cares they can enjoy Dallas & COL/WPG.

 

[Czechboy]

Rangers are doing this with Chytil so it’s becoming more of a league wide practice now.

I hope so but I'm not 100% Chytil will be playing.

But I had a question.. did the Rangers use his LTIR space at the trade deadline to acquire players?

 

[Crease]

I hope so but I'm not 100% Chytil will be playing.

But I had a question.. did the Rangers use his LTIR space at the trade deadline to acquire players?

Three days ago he was out for the year. Two days ago his equipment appeared in the locker room. Yesterday he was full contact and line rushes in practice. He’s playing. They used his space to acquire Wennberg and Roslovic.