Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[thaman8765678]

When did the 75% retention start? That feels like a cheat code almost.

Vegas just has great management.

 

[Evergreen]

This thread cracks me up.

Vegas shouldn't do that.
> Is it illegal under league rules?
No.
> Could other teams do it?
Sure, I guess.
> Then why don't they?
Cause we're not cheaters!!!

Well I think the thing that gives Vegas the ability to do this two years in a row is that one of their highest paid players has agreed to basically sit out 20 games leading up to playoffs. And they’ve been comfortable enough in the standings that sitting him isn’t too dangerous.

It takes a specific set of circumstances to be able to take advantage of the situation like Vegas has.

In any case, I think more people have an issue with the NHL allowing this loophole to exist than with Vegas (or Tampa) for taking advantage of it.

 

[hangman005]

Well I think the thing that gives Vegas the ability to do this two years in a row is that one of their highest paid players has agreed to basically sit out 20 games leading up to playoffs. And they’ve been comfortable enough in the standings that sitting him isn’t too dangerous.

It takes a specific set of circumstances to be able to take advantage of the situation like Vegas has.

In any case, I think more people have an issue with the NHL allowing this loophole to exist than with Vegas (or Tampa) for taking advantage of it.

I don't know if you take the last two seasons, one we missed one we didn't. and our current trend this year, I wouldn't call it safe.

 

[Laus723]

For one, I despise Vegas, and it has almost nothing to do with them beating us last year.

Two, it’s funny that Tampa got F’d out of Hanifin by a team employing the bullshit they started.

 

[theslatcher]

Well I think the thing that gives Vegas the ability to do this two years in a row is that one of their highest paid players has agreed to basically sit out 20 games leading up to playoffs. And they’ve been comfortable enough in the standings that sitting him isn’t too dangerous.

It takes a specific set of circumstances to be able to take advantage of the situation like Vegas has.

In any case, I think more people have an issue with the NHL allowing this loophole to exist than with Vegas (or Tampa) for taking advantage of it.

Past 5 seasons Stone's highest GP is 65, second highest is this season at 56.

Besides... How would a lacerated spleen be able to be faked do you think?

For one, I despise Vegas, and it has almost nothing to do with them beating us last year.

Two, it’s funny that Tampa got F’d out of Hanifin by a team employing the bullshit they started.

Ever heard the tale of Patty Kane and the Hawks?

 

[Fishy McScales]

People defending Vegas because LTIR is legal seem to be missing the point of the argument.

LTIR is only legal if the player is actually hurt, so if he qualifies for LTIR just before the deadline but becomes healthy enough to play due to a miracle of modern medicine just in time for the playoffs, and this happens multiple years in a row, then you'd have to be pretty darn naive not to think there's a little bit of cheating going on.

 

[Saltcreek]

People defending Vegas because LTIR is legal seem to be missing the point of the argument.

LTIR is only legal if the player is actually hurt, so if he qualifies for LTIR just before the deadline but becomes healthy enough to play due to a miracle of modern medicine just in time for the playoffs, and this happens multiple years in a row, then you'd have to be pretty darn naive not to think there's a little bit of cheating going on.

Bingo. It will force a rule that will disqualify people from playoffs if they go LTIR before the deadline.

What they are doing is not legal, it is pretty clear in that but you cannot prove it right now.

 

[thaman8765678]

People defending Vegas because LTIR is legal seem to be missing the point of the argument.

LTIR is only legal if the player is actually hurt, so if he qualifies for LTIR just before the deadline but becomes healthy enough to play due to a miracle of modern medicine just in time for the playoffs, and this happens multiple years in a row, then you'd have to be pretty darn naive not to think there's a little bit of cheating going on.

OK but it is legal. You can hate the rule, but don't blame a team for taking advantage of it.

 

[Rob Brown]

People defending Vegas because LTIR is legal seem to be missing the point of the argument.

LTIR is only legal if the player is actually hurt, so if he qualifies for LTIR just before the deadline but becomes healthy enough to play due to a miracle of modern medicine just in time for the playoffs, and this happens multiple years in a row, then you'd have to be pretty darn naive not to think there's a little bit of cheating going on.

Or maybe in theory he would have been ready a few games before the regular season ended, but the team wants to hold him out in case. Plenty of teams around the league healthy scratch players for 1-2 games before the playoffs, so in theory this case with Stone could be the same thing - he's ready a week before but the team plays it safe.

People also seem to think you can just put anyone on LTIR without the proper due diligence etc. I don't think you can just fake a lacerate spleen and not have the NHL inquire about it for proof.

 

[Saltcreek]

OK but it is legal. You can hate the rule, but don't blame a team for taking advantage of it.

What they are doing is not legal but the NHL lacks the spine to get independent doctors in to prove it.

Is anyone here going to be surprised when these players are healthy for game 1?

 

[Chaos2k7]

Eichel is already back so this is awkward.

I am so glad that all the hubris is aimed at the Golden Knights right now.

 

[Rob Brown]

What they are doing is not legal but the NHL lacks the spine to get independent doctors in to prove it.

Is anyone here going to be surprised when these players are healthy for game 1?

Sorry, how is it not legal? People can dislike it and want the rule changed but it's within the rules to use LTIR in this capacity. Every time a team uses LTIR people whine about it.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Or maybe in theory he would have been ready a few games before the regular season ended, but the team wants to hold him out in case. Plenty of teams around the league healthy scratch players for 1-2 games before the playoffs, so in theory this case with Stone could be the same thing - he's ready a week before but the team plays it safe.

People also seem to think you can just put anyone on LTIR without the proper due diligence etc. I don't think you can just fake a lacerate spleen and not have the NHL inquire about it for proof.

Like I said, naive.

 

[hangman005]

I am so glad that all the hubris is aimed at the Golden Knights right now.

It'll make our back to back cup all the sweeter.

 

[thaman8765678]

It is funny to me too that it is mainly Oilers fans being so upset with this.

When their team won the draft lottery 4 times in 10 years. And they lucked into a generational player.

Sorry, sometimes luck plays a part in this injury wise. It isn't some mass conspiracy.

 

[Rob Brown]

Like I said, naive.

I mean, sure, but I could respond with yours being a bit of a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.

I don't care for the rule by the way, and wouldn't mind the suggestion someone had at the player having to miss a round. I just don't like the automatic 'wow that team is cheating and the player is faking it' as if the NHL does zero investigation into it. It's like when people here whine about a team using LTIR, implying that the player is faking it to benefit the team (what would they even gain from that if they are a lesser player?) and then the next day it's reported he's getting surgery.

 

[Saltcreek]

Sorry, how is it not legal? People can dislike it and want the rule changed but it's within the rules to use LTIR in this capacity. Every time a team uses LTIR people whine about it.

Do you really need it spelt out? People are saying the injuries are not legitimate or the length of time the player needs to recover is being conveniently tied to the start of the playoffs. If this is the case then the use of the LTIR is not legal.

The NHL won’t get independent doctors in because they do not want the noise so expect something in the next CBA to counter this.

 

[Fishy McScales]

I mean, sure, but I could respond with yours being a bit of a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.

I don't care for the rule by the way, and wouldn't mind the suggestion someone had at the player having to miss a round. I just don't like the automatic 'wow that team is cheating and the player is faking it' as if the NHL does zero investigation into it. It's like when people here whine about a team using LTIR, implying that the player is faking it to benefit the team (what would they even gain from that if they are a lesser player?) and then the next day it's reported he's getting surgery.

 

[Rob Brown]

Do you really need it spelt out? People are saying the injuries are not legitimate or the length of time the player needs to recover is being conveniently tied to the start of the playoffs. If this is the case then the use of the LTIR is not legal.

The NHL won’t get independent doctors in because they do not want the noise so expect something in the next CBA to counter this.

Yes, people on the internet are saying so it must be true. You really think the NHL requires zero reports or anything from a team?

 

[al secord]

Or maybe in theory he would have been ready a few games before the regular season ended, but the team wants to hold him out in case. Plenty of teams around the league healthy scratch players for 1-2 games before the playoffs, so in theory this case with Stone could be the same thing - he's ready a week before but the team plays it safe.

People also seem to think you can just put anyone on LTIR without the proper due diligence etc. I don't think you can just fake a lacerate spleen and not have the NHL inquire about it for proof.

If you use up all the cap room, you've already decided he won't be back 1 or 2 weeks before the playoffs in advance.

Magically it's game 1 where the player is fully recovered.

 

[theslatcher]

Do you really need it spelt out? People are saying the injuries are not legitimate or the length of time the player needs to recover is being conveniently tied to the start of the playoffs. If this is the case then the use of the LTIR is not legal.

The NHL won’t get independent doctors in because they do not want the noise so expect something in the next CBA to counter this.

They've used independent doctors to check if LTIR is legitimate plenty of times, they basically always do nowadays.

 

[Chaos2k7]

It'll make our back to back cup all the sweeter.

I heard Barkov dislocated his toe, it's real bad, Tkachuk has a rare case of the rat flu, doctors are stunned, and Bobrovsky is dealing with the recent formation of a tail, surgery is the best option, with a quick rehab.

That's 29.5 million right there, we just need other teams to donate their first rounders so we can take advantage of, I mean fill out our remaining roster spots.

 

[hangman005]

I heard Barkov dislocated his toe, it's real bad, Tkachuk has a rare case of the rat flu, doctors are stunned, and Bobrovsky is dealing with the recent formation of a tail, surgery is the best option, with a quick rehab.

That's 29.5 million right there, we just need other teams to donate their first rounders so we can take advantage of, I mean fill out our remaining roster spots.

Believable, LTIR him.... Boston should Marchand while we're at it.

 

[Evergreen]

Past 5 seasons Stone's highest GP is 65, second highest is this season at 56.

Besides... How would a lacerated spleen be able to be faked do you think?

I'm not sure what part of my post you're arguing against. I never said Stone was faking an injury. If my team were in a position to do what Vegas is doing, you're damn right I'd want them to do so.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Cause Vegas is in danger of dropping into the 2nd wild card spot……but don’t worry - up next it’s Alec Martinez please on down with - shakes 8 ball - a foot injury that magically showed up on the day Haniffin is acquired.

I hope Vegas has $100M on the roster come playoff time. Will be that much sweeter for the team that ends their reign as Champs.

Honestly can’t get.

The debate shouldn't be if it's cheating or not when we look at the CBA because obviously it's not.

The debate needs to be how do they fix it because this BS obviously can't continue. It's literally the stupidest rule. If a players injury timeline has him set to come back during the playoffs, you shouldn't get the cap space. Or you get the option to use the cap space at the expense of the LTIR player being done for the entire season to include postseason. Pick one, you can't have both.

They overlooked this one big time. Guarantee it won't remain this way in the next CBA

ove said it before but the easiest fix IMO is just make it so the roster you Ice each game in the post season is cap compliant