Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[wavaxa2]

Conspiracy theorists are the stupidest and most tiresome people on earth.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Two years ago, not last year. Two years ago they missed the playoffs. Last year they tried it again and learned from their LTIR mistakes from the past.

You sir, are a fish.

think what you want but that move led to a cup..........

 

[snag]

Because they don’t understand that this is what the league/NHLPA wanted

That reminds me about a video I watched recently about modifying a Nintendo console to play backed up games from external storage. The guy said "Nintendo wanted us to mod this. Why else would they have left the pads there?" (in reference to contacts on the circuit board...and he was dead serious).

I laughed at that too.

It's not what they "wanted". Both instances were to serve a purpose. And both were able to be exploited that went beyond...

 

[Vegan Knight]

Love that people pretend to not know what abusing a loophole is.


People are questioning when he is actually physically ready to return. Will he be far too injured to play in game 82, but healthy enough a couple days later for the most physically demanding part of the year, game 1 ?

Will he play early while still injured in a meaningless end of season game or gut it out for the most important part of the season five or six days later? If anything these guys are probably coming back a little earlier than they normally would.

There's no loophole being abused, and no one gives a shit about this at all except a very small percentage of chronically online salty fans of poorly performing teams.

But again, a lacerated spleen is not something you can fake or game when you're healed. He's more likely to miss some of the playoffs than make it for game 1 just by the timing of the injury.

 

[Oak]

Vegas using the LA Kings of old playbook to sneak into the playoffs and then just run over everyone.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Whenever I’m sad and need a place to go to bring some laughter back into my life, I turn to the NHL:

Please be advised that the League intends to closely scrutinize any such transactions, particularly where: (1) the acquiring Club does not intend to (and/or does not) retain sufficient Payroll Room to activate and place any such injured Player(s) on its Active Roster prior to the conclusion of the Regular Season; and (2) the acquiring Club intends to seek (and/or subsequently seeks) to activate any such Player(s) during the Stanley Cup Playoffs. To the extent such scrutiny, and the results of any investigation (if deemed necessary), determines the opinion of the League Office that such transaction constitutes a circumvention of the CBA, the League would intend to pursue appropriate penalties and/or remedies as are set forth in CBA Article 26.”

Thank you, NHL

 

[Three On Zero]

That reminds me about a video I watched recently about modifying a Nintendo console to play backed up games from external storage. The guy said "Nintendo wanted us to mod this. Why else would they have left the pads there?" (in reference to contacts on the circuit board...and he was dead serious).

I laughed at that too.

It's not what they "wanted". Both instances were to serve a purpose. And both were able to be exploited that went beyond...

False, this was brought up and the owners want it this way. Nothing is being exploited beyond what it was meant to be

 

[Golden_Jet]

Love that people pretend to not know what abusing a loophole is.


People are questioning when he is actually physically ready to return. Will he be far too injured to play in game 82, but healthy enough a couple days later for the most physically demanding part of the year, game 1 ?

Hard to say if he’s ready for playoffs, ruptured spleen is what a 2/3 month recovery. It is a dangerous injury to get.

 

[snag]

False, this was brought up and the owners want it this way. Nothing is being exploited beyond what it was meant to be

I am pretty sure they want the ability of protecting their competitiveness... Not to have some teams placed in the fortuitous position of sticking their team right before the playoffs due to injury or strategically using or "extending" LTIR

But I'll tell you one thing, if I was on LTIR, my team comfortably in a playoff spot or even close to, me collecting a paycheque... I would say "no... No..still hurts... Still don't feel right" and allow my team to stock up and enhance my chance at winning at a cup only to come back just in time.

And it dont matter WHAT doctors say what.... The patients word will trump all. Players dive and cheat in other ways for advantage, I have no doubt there are cases of this too. Like the saying goes, if you ain't cheating you aint trying.

Regardless, we will never change each other POV.

 

[AvroArrow]

Will he play early while still injured in a meaningless end of season game or gut it out for the most important part of the season five or six days later? If anything these guys are probably coming back a little earlier than they normally would.

There's no loophole being abused, and no one gives a shit about this at all except a very small percentage of chronically online salty fans of poorly performing teams.

But again, a lacerated spleen is not something you can fake or game when you're healed. He's more likely to miss some of the playoffs than make it for game 1 just by the timing of the injury.

Keep telling yourself that, abusing LTIR to roster a team above the max cap is abusing a loop hole. You'd all be crying if there was no cap and Toronto was spending way more than your team, because it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that spending more on your roster than your opponents is an unfair advantage.

If you really feel that way, how do you feel about getting rid of the cap altogether ? Seems great right, you can spend what you want, my team will spend what they want, it's all fair!

 

[Three On Zero]

I am pretty sure they want the ability of protecting their competitiveness... Not to have some teams placed in the fortuitous position of sticking their team right before the playoffs due to injury or strategically using or "extending" LTIR

But I'll tell you one thing, if I was on LTIR, my team comfortably in a playoff spot or even close to, me collecting a paycheque... I would say "no... No..still hurts... Still don't feel right" and allow my team to stock up and enhance my chance at winning at a cup only to come back just in time.

And it dont matter WHAT doctors say what.... The patients word will trump all. Players dive and cheat in other ways for advantage, I have no doubt there are cases of this too. Like the saying goes, if you ain't cheating you aint trying.

Regardless, we will never change each other POV.

You don’t know how the process works. The only people who don’t like this process is the fans because they can’t grasp how it works properly

 

[Golden_Jet]

Keep telling yourself that, abusing LTIR to roster a team above the max cap is abusing a loop hole. You'd all be crying if there was no cap and Toronto was spending way more than your team, because it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that spending more on your roster than your opponents is an unfair advantage.

If you really feel that way, how do you feel about getting rid of the cap altogether ? Seems great right, you can spend what you want, my team will spend what they want, it's all fair!

Except currently, leafs are projected at $14 million of LTIR, and Vegas 7 million.

 

[AvroArrow]

Except currently, leafs are projected at $14 million of LTIR, and Vegas 7 million.

How many guys on Leafs LTIR are you expecting to be activated and used in the playoffs, going over the cap ?

 

[Golden_Jet]

How many guys on Leafs LTIR are you expecting to be activated and used in the playoffs, going over the cap ?

Not sure, leaf’s waited until October for Murray to have surgery, so he wouldn’t be back in time for playoffs.

 

[AvroArrow]

Not sure, leaf’s waited until October for Murray to have surgery, so he wouldn’t be back in time for playoffs.

Muzzin's career is over, Murray has no shot of coming back, Klingberg is out for the year, Jarnkrok probably comes back tonight so he'll be playing in the regular season and fit within the cap.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Muzzin's career is over, Murray has no shot of coming back, Klingberg is out for the year, Jarnkrok probably comes back tonight so he'll be playing in the regular season and fit within the cap.

Murray 6-8 months, 6 months puts him at April 9th.
If he had his surgery in the summer instead of delaying it for months, he would have been back, instead chose the route, so he misses regular season.
No different than other teams.

 

[Voight]

Love that people consider doing something allowed within the rules as cheating.

Even so. Nobody here has access to his medical files. He may very well be out until the end of the regular season.

 

[snag]

You don’t know how the process works. The only people who don’t like this process is the fans because they can’t grasp how it works properly

There was a time the GMs were pissed....and they may still be but have no recourse at this point so it is all moot.

And it is their job to know how it works...

Breaking: GMs want answers about the 'Patrick Kane loophole.'

GMs demanding answers on a major loophole.

www.hockeyfeed.com

 

[AvroArrow]

Murray 6-8 months, 6 months puts him at April 9th.
If he had his surgery in the summer instead of delaying it for months, he would have been back, instead chose the route, so he misses regular season.
No different than other teams.

He's not playing in the playoffs is he ? LTIR player actually staying on LTIR, we're talking about guys on LTIR being magically healthy for the playoffs. You're trying to tell me that guys who are injured and on LTIR and actually remain on LTIR, is somehow comparable to guys on LTIR being activated for playoffs ? Cause I don't understand what you're trying to get at.

 

[Three On Zero]

There was a time the GMs were pissed....and they may still be but have no recourse at this point so it is all moot.

And it is their job to know how it works...

Breaking: GMs want answers about the 'Patrick Kane loophole.'

GMs demanding answers on a major loophole.

www.hockeyfeed.com

7 year old article that isn’t relevant anymore

 

[myperbixhurts]

The word is Stone might be out for the playoffs too. If that happens, it will be a huge loss for Vegas no matter who they get at the trade deadline. As an Avs fan, I can compare it to us losing Landeskog.

 

[Golden_Jet]

He's not playing in the playoffs is he ? LTIR player actually staying on LTIR, we're talking about guys on LTIR being magically healthy for the playoffs. You're trying to tell me that guys who are injured and on LTIR and actually remain on LTIR, is somehow comparable to guys on LTIR being activated for playoffs ? Cause I don't understand what you're trying to get at.

Chris Johnston (I think was him) said could be ready just before or sometime into playoffs, and they were discussing which goalies would be around for playoffs.
I’m thinking was on Overdrive but not sure, was earlier on in the week.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Keep telling yourself that, abusing LTIR to roster a team above the max cap is abusing a loop hole.

How is it a loophole when Article 50 explicitly allows it?

You'd all be crying if there was no cap and Toronto was spending way more than your team, because it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that spending more on your roster than your opponents is an unfair advantage.

Maybe ask people what they think, instead of pretending you know what everyone else thinks when you don't.

If you really feel that way, how do you feel about getting rid of the cap altogether?

Among countless other threads that have discussed this: NHL should remove the salary cap

But if we just go to a luxury tax, ... again, among countless other threads that have discussed this: Replace Salary Cap with Luxury Cap?

More specifically though: it doesn't matter what I think. It matters what the owners think, and they are NEVER getting rid of the salary cap. I prefer to work with reality, not with what I dream of that will never be.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

7 year old article that isn’t relevant anymore

Not just that, Kane was (1) very clearly injured, (2) how long he was expected to be out was pretty well accepted by everyone, and (3) he came back well before that.

And suddenly, it was well why didn't he just come back even sooner? as if coming back 2-4 weeks early after having to have a plate and screws put into his collarbone is normal. Then there was also he was skating all this time which somehow automatically meant he was obviously healthy enough to play again, which ignores all the other times players have started skating when coming back from an injury, but very clearly were not ready to play in a game.

 

[AvroArrow]

Chris Johnston (I think was him) said could be ready just before or sometime into playoffs, and they were discussing which goalies would be around for playoffs.
I’m thinking was on Overdrive but not sure, was earlier on in the week.

I promise you, there's a 0 percent chance Murray suits up at all, same with Muzzin, same with Klingberg. Only Jarnkrok who is already going to be active. If he does get activated in the playoffs that's a different story, but I'll bet my house that he doesn't.