Proposal: Vatanen to EDM for Yakupov, Nurse

[6God*]

you must have missed those pouliot + yak proposals lol. They were always the same. Pouliot is old and has never reached 40 points etc...
Putting cap dumps to a vatanen trade is again dumb asset managment. I dont see him being trade when he just re-signed.

Any chance Montour+capdump is a possibility?

 

[snipes]

Sounds like what people were saying about Ladislav Smid.

I'll be honest about Darnell. His physicality and aggression excite me - it's a nice characteristic to see. But he leaves his position too much to exhibit these traits - and it rarely changes the outlook of the game/play when he does it.

His skating is elite, his shot is wildly inaccurate but strong. His ability to make breakout passes is average at best. His defensive positioning is average but trending towards strong heading forward. His ability to read the ice in front of him is average.

Again - I see a lot of "flash" but not much substance in him. People get excited talking about his physical tools as Doughty/Subban-esque - but the difference between them and the Rundblad's of the world is the toolbox. Nurse is by no means Rundblad - but I don't think the on-ice gains we get from his tools won't be as much as people are making it out to be.

Smid never had the toughness or character Nurse had. Not even close to being comparable. Sorry.

Nurse is an alpha dog, Smid never had that mindset or toughness. Agree on your other points regarding work Nurse needs to do. Personally, I want him in the AHL this season. I'm not concerned about Nurse, he just needs time like many young Dmen. His peak is years down the road, he'll get better.

His teammates noticed and respected him for fighting Haley himself after he ****ing smashed that chump Polak. Nurse didn't have to fight a career goon who only contributes with his fists. Nothing wrong with Haley's role, I respect it and had to fight in my day, it's an important role. However, Nurse could have declined and have Gadzic lay a beating on Haley if he tried anything. Nurse wanted to fight his own fight, he was clear about it. His teammates respected him, Haley respected him, and following the early fight he came out and played his best game as an Oiler. Like I said, he finished +4 with an assist. If they wanted to teach him a lesson, they did and made him stronger. Smid never showed that type of heart.

I think most of us at HFOil are realistic with Nurse. We see him as eventually a top 4, 2nd pairing reliable D man with nastiness in his game. Nurse doesn't need to be a top pairing D man to be a major contributor and part of our team. 2nd pairing Dman is just fine. We need to develop our own top 4 and Nurse will be part of that down the road.

If ANA wasn't in division, my analysis would be different. I don't want to help the Ducks out in any way possible. We need to start beating those guys. Trading Nurse in division would haunt us for years down the road.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

no thanks ducks have no interest in trading their PP QB for two maybes.

ducks have no need for nurse they have a ton of young dmen and frankly i doubt he's even better than josh manson right now.

not saying value is bad but it does nothing to make the ducks better or fill their needs

 

[snipes]

Exactly. Larsson is looking great. So trading vatanen for another good young LHD when they already have lindholm, fowler, theodore and larsson would be dumb asset management.

The only one with Vatanens skill set is Montour and Theodore. But Vatanen is a RHD and those are always sought after.

Yet moving Vatanen doesn't overly hurt you, relative to what he brings. He's a great talent, right shot, offensive upside. He's a great fit for us, but he plays for a rival we are trying to overtake. Trading Nurse to you is something I would be extremely hesitant about (even if fair value). Draft picks, budget wingers, etc. I could live with. Nurse I couldn't.

You have such a strong pipeline of D, we would be adding an element to your Dcore you would covet. Don't tell me for a second you wouldn't love Nurse on your team.

If someone touched Lindholm, Theo, etc. Nurse would go full savage for those guys. Be reasonable, Nurse is someone any team wants. Maybe not as a #1 or top pairing. Heck even if you saw Nurse as only on your 3rd pairing and PK, he's a guy any team would want. Add into Larsson coming up and having those guys on budget deals, plus Nurse surrounding your top guys. No thanks. ANA gets scarier.

 

[snipes]

no thanks ducks have no interest in trading their PP QB for two maybes.

ducks have no need for nurse they have a ton of young dmen and frankly i doubt he's even better than josh manson right now.

not saying value is bad but it does nothing to make the ducks better or fill their needs

I try to be objective and reasonable and I see your point.

Dealing a player of Vatanen's talent, while relatively not hurting you as much as other teams is a nice piece to play with. I wouldn't trade Vatanen to us. Why? Give McDavid and co. a PP QB who is a RHD. You would be helping us, you have no interest in that.

Being divisional rivals throws a wrench into this. Probably get better value out East.

 

[6God*]

Yet moving Vatanen doesn't overly hurt you, relative to what he brings. He's a great talent, right shot, offensive upside. He's a great fit for us, but he plays for a rival we are trying to overtake. Trading Nurse to you is something I would be extremely hesitant about (even if fair value). Draft picks, budget wingers, etc. I could live with. Nurse I couldn't.

You have such a strong pipeline of D, we would be adding an element to your Dcore you would covet. Don't tell me for a second you wouldn't love Nurse on your team.

If someone touched Lindholm, Theo, etc. Nurse would go full savage for those guys. Be reasonable, Nurse is someone any team wants. Maybe not as a #1 or top pairing. Heck even if you saw Nurse as only on your 3rd pairing and PK, he's a guy any team would want. Add into Larsson coming up and having those guys on budget deals, plus Nurse surrounding your top guys. No thanks. ANA gets scarier.

Lol Nurse is not the only defenseman in the league that stands up for his teammates. The Nurse love you're displaying is a bit much. ANA has absolutely no need for him given the depth coming up in the pipelines.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Let's be real. Larsson is nowhere near Nurse's level right now. He's trending great, but as it stands Nurse is more NHL-ready than he is.

Lindholm Manson
Fowler Despres
Nurse Bieksa

Is how I imagine your depth for next year (don't know which of those RD gets more minutes tbh).

Yak is cheap and adds untapped depth to your wingers. Let's be real- that's a DRYYY set of wingers you have up there.

After Perry, Silf and (signed) Rakell you are reaching for scoring there.

And that's assuming Rakell gets signed without making a deal to open up cap space...

the ducks do not need darnell nurse. i'd rather play shea theodore

 

[lindholmie]

Yet moving Vatanen doesn't overly hurt you, relative to what he brings. He's a great talent, right shot, offensive upside. He's a great fit for us, but he plays for a rival we are trying to overtake. Trading Nurse to you is something I would be extremely hesitant about (even if fair value). Draft picks, budget wingers, etc. I could live with. Nurse I couldn't.

You have such a strong pipeline of D, we would be adding an element to your Dcore you would covet. Don't tell me for a second you wouldn't love Nurse on your team.

If someone touched Lindholm, Theo, etc. Nurse would go full savage for those guys. Be reasonable, Nurse is someone any team wants. Maybe not as a #1 or top pairing. Heck even if you saw Nurse as only on your 3rd pairing and PK, he's a guy any team would want. Add into Larsson coming up and having those guys on budget deals, plus Nurse surrounding your top guys. No thanks. ANA gets scarier.

Like the ducks fan above you said. Josh manson is probably better than nurse right now. He fights a ton and has elite advanced stats. Hes only 24

Its like the oilers trading klefbom for rakell. They trade away a piece they need and add to their already stacked centers.

all 24 years and younger and just won the jennings with this core
lindholm-manson
fowler-depres
theodore-montour
larsson

nurse is not something the ducks would really covet

 

[snipes]

Forgot about Theodore. Jeez the Ducks churn out elite defensemen like an assembly line. They truly have no need for Nurse. What a disgustingly good depth chart.

Research Jacob Larsson, kid is a stud. Future top pairing Dman, ANA has insane depth on D coming up. Probably between them and Philly for deepest prospect pool on D.

It appears we may have two Swedish Larsson's in the Pacific who can play some serious D. Between ANA and EDM, we may form at least two thirds of the D for the 2022 Team Sweden Olympic team . Kind of serious: Lindholm, Larsson, Larsson, Klefbom.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I try to be objective and reasonable and I see your point.

Dealing a player of Vatanen's talent, while relatively not hurting you as much as other teams is a nice piece to play with. I wouldn't trade Vatanen to us. Why? Give McDavid and co. a PP QB who is a RHD. You would be helping us, you have no interest in that.

Being divisional rivals throws a wrench into this. Probably get better value out East.

trading vatanen does infact hurt the ducks alot.hurts the PP, PK and overall transition game. vatanen requires a legit top 6 forward in return, nurse is just not a player the ducks would value much right now

 

[snipes]

Like the ducks fan above you said. Josh manson is probably better than nurse right now. He fights a ton and has elite advanced stats. Hes only 24

Its like the oilers trading klefbom for rakell. They trade away a piece they need and add to their already stacked centers.

all 24 years and younger and just won the jennings with this core
lindholm-manson
fowler-depres
theodore-montour
larsson

nurse is not something the ducks would really covet

Good analogy. It would be like us adding centre depth at the expense of a D. We're strong down the middle with McDavid-RNH-Drai forming a potent 3 line attack as they grow together.

You might not covet Nurse, but we do!! I'm sure you can see why. Our D core sucks, we've needed to develop our own and that's what we're doing. I'm not saying Nurse is a saviour or even will ever be a top pairing guy. Personally, he needs a year or two in the AHL. But with his size, skating, and toughness he will be important for us on the 2nd pairing by the time he's 24/25ish. I think that made sense, hopefully I articulated it clearly lol.

Your equivalent is on D. I'm aware of your pool, you might be the enemy but I can respect talent. I think Theo steps up into a top 4 role by the end of the 2016-17 season. He's a stud. Larsson (your Larsson) will be a top pairing player in the next 3-5 years, he's that good. He's got elite talent written all over him.

 

[snipes]

trading vatanen does infact hurt the ducks alot.hurts the PP, PK and overall transition game. vatanen requires a legit top 6 forward in return, nurse is just not a player the ducks would value much right now

See my above post. I agree, again I said relative to his talent (because your depth and talent on D is well above average compared to the rest of the league).

 

[snipes]

Lol Nurse is not the only defenseman in the league that stands up for his teammates. The Nurse love you're displaying is a bit much. ANA has absolutely no need for him given the depth coming up in the pipelines.

Maybe the Ducks have been spoiled. Our D has been putrid and awful to watch.

I'm not appreciating Nurse out of blind homerism. I played the game as a stay at home D man, guys like Nurse are important. Not an entire team of Nurses, but a guy like him makes a team better. Disagree? I'm talking Nurse by the time he's a grown man in his mid to late 20s. I'm happy to debate that if you disagree.

Just because the Oilers suck, doesn't mean I can't provide intelligent insight. I probably talk more about the Dmen in our division than Oilers Dmen. I'm on the Lindholm train as a bona fide #1 Dman. I recognize Vlasic as the best defensive Dman in the game. I was on the Jacob Larsson hype train very early this off-season. Go check out HFDucks for yourself, one of your fans posted a quote I made in HFInternational into your forum about Larsson.

It's hard to watch how pathetic our D has been, we can't even execute basic breakouts. Nurse isn't the saviour, but he's a piece that makes a team better going forward. He'll never rise above Klefbom on the depth chart. Heck, Davidson is ahead of him right now on the left side as well.

Nurse has a long development path ahead, I've been clear the entire thread about that.

 

[xxreact9]

The issue is we are division rivals and we are helping out ANAs depth on the wing, plus we would be giving them Nurse.

So I'm clear, in a vacuum Vatanen is awesome for us. However, we have goals of owning the Pacific. ANAs on the down swing and I don't want to help them, their window is closing rapidly. SJS are still well ahead, ANA is conquerable in the coming years as Getzlaf and Perry lose a step and their bargain bin bottom 6 catches up to them.

Nurse might top out as a top 4, 2nd pairing defender. That's fine. He'll be 6'4 and well over 220 with elite skating and nastiness. Do we want to put in the patient years while he develops into a legit NHL Dman by the time he is 23-25? Essentially put in all the tough years from 20-23 dealing with his growing pains only to trade him before we get the benefit? **** no.

Value is fair for us (ANA fans might see it different). However, ANA is a rival and we need to conquer them. Their bottom 6 is a weak point going forward and their depth on D is a strength. We take the risk and I don't want to face Nurse for the next 10-15 years in the Pacific. This is a pass.

To say Anaheim's window is "rapidly" closing and SJ is well ahead just because of a phantom cup appearance from a 6 seed is extremely and utterly foolish.

Anaheim has many young core players. They allowed the least goals in the NHL with an insanely young defense and goaltender. Their best 3 players are only 31 years old and they have several impressive young forwards: Ritchie, Rakell, Silfverberg.

Meanwhile, the sharks are relying on 82 point production from a 37 year old who's window,in your terms, is actually rapidly closing. Tack on another 25 goals from 36 year old Marleau. Anaheim has zero dependence on players who can take a gigantic downward spiral at any moment.

Anaheim also has a lot better prospects. HF has them ranked 10th compared to the sharks 23rd. They have won the division many years in a row and clearly has a brighter future based on age of core players, prospects, and past performance.

For these reasons, you are very very wrong. And to take so much time to write such a long post without seeing such obvious evidence.... I don't know what to say. Take a step back and think next time

 

[snipes]

To say Anaheim's window is "rapidly" closing and SJ is well ahead just because of a phantom cup appearsnce from a 6 seed is extremely and uttrrly foolish.

Anaheim has many young core players. They allowed the least goals in the NHL with an insanely young defense and goaltender. Their best 3 players are only 31 years old and they have several impressive young forwards: Ritchie, Rakell, Silfverberg.

Meanwhile, the sharks are relying on 82 point production from a 37 year old who's window,in your terms, is actually rapidly closing. Tack on another 25 goals from 36 year old Marleau. Anaheim has zero dependence on players who can take a gigantic downward spiral at any moment.

Anaheim also has a lot better prospects. HF has them ranked 10th compared to the sharks 23rd. They have won the division many years in a row and clearly has a brighter future based on age of core players, prospects, and past performance.

For these reasons, you are very very wrong. And to take so much time to write such a long post without seeing such obvious evidence.... I don't know what to say. Take a step back and think next time

I don't think so. I'm not sure how you could conclude I'm "very very wrong". I'll concede when I think I should, but this isn't such a situation. Why shouldn't I think the Ducks window is closing? Should I not support my team and think we can compete with our enemies? I'll acknowledge strengths, but I see opportunities opening for us. If I didn't believe that in good faith, I wouldn't write it. I'm a pretty reasonable poster, or at least I try to be . Again, I need to see it from the Oilers. I'm not being obnoxious or predicting anything outlandish for my team.

I don't think our team needs to think beating the Ducks, or even having those thoughts make us "wrong". I'd rather be humble, I have no idea how we'll finish this year, but I don't think we need to back down in a fight against them.

Why? Should we just fold the tent? Accept defeat before we've even played? **** that. In previous years, I would say we have no chance. I have us fighting for 4/5th in the division. Say what you want about the Oilers and even our fans, at least we're willing to get up and want to fight year after year.

You won't get no victim complex here. I think ANAs bottom 6 is weak. Vermette helps, no doubt. But eventually the bargain bin bottom 6 will catch up to them. If they can be exposed, it's through beating them by depth up front having a deeper 3rd and 4th line that can expose mismatches when the big 2 lines are off the ice.

I'm not going to bow down and pay homage, I think we can battle with them. I still have the Ducks ahead due to more experience and a much better D. They have excellent depth on D and work well as a unit together. To think the Ducks are untouchable or it is "very very wrong" to think their window is closing and ours is opening doesn't fly with me. I want to see our team battle with them and have faith we can compete and eventually overtake them. Especially as our centres grow together. Take away McDavid and RNHs two lines? Okay, well what about Dr. Drai's line? Eventually we'll find a mismatch, Getzlaf and Kesler have to come off the ice at some point.

I don't know, I have us still behind the Ducks and all the Cali teams + CGY right now until I see otherwise. But to tell me I'm wrong for thinking the Ducks window is closing because ours is opening isn't going to sway me. **** it, why should we bow down? We've got nothing to lose. Take your shots, I know I can handle it and many of us can. We won't do the "hater" thing or persecution complex. At least give us that .

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Vatanen is a guy I'd love to see the Oilers trade for but I just don't see it happening. Ducks won't trade him and to be honest I think Chia wants to see what Davidson does before he trades for another defenseman that needs to be protected.

Ducks have an embarrassment of riches for defensive prospects. If I was Chia I would make a play for Montour, he looks like he might get buried in the depth chart as the Ducks have a few young guys vying for minutes. Think he could be a good fit for the Oilers.

 

[McSuper]

The Ducks have absolutely zero need for Nurse. Vatanen also isn't going to be traded immediately after sign long term.

To add to this Yakupov plays right wing

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Vatanen just signed a new long term deal, he isn't going anywhere this off season.

 

[snipes]

Vatanen just signed a new long term deal, he isn't going anywhere this off season.

Especially in division. An abundance of caution exists for both sides.

I could see ANA and EDM working out a smaller type deal like the Maroon type deal. Perhaps Bogdan Yakimov (conditional on a contractual agreement with ANA being worked out prior to deal closing) for Montour?

Alternatively, Anton Slepyshev is a 6'2 185-190 RWer.

Bargain bin winger options with upside in our system. Both Russian players. Bogdan Yakimov is a 6'5 230 lb LWer. We recently loaned him to the KHL, we still own his rights. Good skater for a guy his size, ANA likes big LWers. These are small deal options that benefit both sides without substantial risk.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I have ZERO interest in trading Vatanen to the Oilers with the main piece being Yakupov or Nurse.

I don't even see them losing that much. Both Fowler and Lindholm can score 40 points if given the opportunity to do so (what trading Vatanen would do).

They have like 6M to sign Rakell (50pt pace scorer) and Lindholm (Likely to ask for 5.5M+), with still some holes up front.

I think this gives them the cap relief they need to make the signings, plus some solid up-and-comers in Yakupov+Nurse.

I just don't see the pointe of having Nurse in the fold with Sekera-Klefbom locking that position down for the next 5+ years. Hell, even Brandon Davidson is trending to be a top-4 defenseman one day.

Fowler hasn't scored 40 points since his rookie season. He is pretty much a 30+ point player now. Lindholm should be good for 30+ points.

If we want cap relief we will trade Despres over Vatanen for example. Despres isn't as good and important to us.

The issue is we are division rivals and we are helping out ANAs depth on the wing, plus we would be giving them Nurse.

So I'm clear, in a vacuum Vatanen is awesome for us. However, we have goals of owning the Pacific. ANAs on the down swing and I don't want to help them, their window is closing rapidly. SJS are still well ahead, ANA is conquerable in the coming years as Getzlaf and Perry lose a step and their bargain bin bottom 6 catches up to them.

Nurse might top out as a top 4, 2nd pairing defender. That's fine. He'll be 6'4 and well over 220 with elite skating and nastiness. Do we want to put in the patient years while he develops into a legit NHL Dman by the time he is 23-25? Essentially put in all the tough years from 20-23 dealing with his growing pains only to trade him before we get the benefit? **** no.

Value is fair for us (ANA fans might see it different). However, ANA is a rival and we need to conquer them. Their bottom 6 is a weak point going forward and their depth on D is a strength. We take the risk and I don't want to face Nurse for the next 10-15 years in the Pacific. This is a pass.

We'll develop our pup in Nurse, and when he's an alpha dog the Pacific teams are going to hate playing him. He doesn't need to be a legit #1 or even top pairing. We're good with Nurse as an anchor on our 2nd pair for the next decade plus. Nurse is already in some Sharks fans heads. After Haley's "lesson" or "destruction" as it was falsely termed via one username (Haley never even KOed Nurse and gave him huge props for fighting his own battles), Nurse finished the game +4 with an assist as we dominated the SJSs in their own building.

Develop our own they said, we're doing just that. We love what Nurse brings, so would every other team in the NHL if they're being objectively fair.

Yakupov sucks he wouldn't help us out on wing all that much. We don't have much interest in Nurse because we have a good blueline prospect pool already.

You wouldn't make this trade because it is with a division rival ROFL that is what I would say. You are getting a young Right Shooting defenseman who is high scoring and has been part of the best PK in the NHL and has played well in big games. He is the exact type of defenseman the Oilers still need and he would have a much bigger impact helping the Oilers then Yakupov and Nurse. Oilers need to get better sooner then later and this trade would do so possibly pushing them over the hump.

Larsson (not Adam Larsson) is a beast. He'll be a top 4 Dman at the minimum in 3-5 years for you guys. Top pairing upside, he looked good for Sweden against his peers this year. Theo coming up, you have cheap options.

You're not really sacrificing anything by moving Vatanen relative to his skillset. You have such a deep pool of young D talent. We're sacrificing a lot and making an enemy better. Makes no sense.

If ANA wasn't in division, I'd likely consider pulling the trigger if he was going out East and we got someone of Vatanens talent in return.

We would be sacrificing our best right shooting defenseman who is our highest scorer that is a lot to sacrifice. LOL at Oilers sacrificing a lot. You trade away Yakupov who sucks and needs a change of scenery and could still suck with it. Nurse is a possible sacrifice but he is a unknown he might top out as a bottom pairing defenseman. Oilers need to get better sooner then later you can't keep having so many crappy seasons it will be a big negative effect on your young players to see more crappy seasons. Oilers need to get a winning environment ASAP.

I feel a player like Benoit Pouliot would meet a lot of the Ducks needs - is there any way Vatanen+capdump are made available for him?

Oh god not Benoit Pouliot in a thread again. We don't want this player with a career high of 36 points (less then Vatanen career high) who is 29 years old and has been missing a lot of games with injury in each of the last two seasons. So many Ducks fans said no to Vatanen for Yakupov + Pouliot before nothing will make us trade Vatanen for anything close to that we need much better quality.

Yet moving Vatanen doesn't overly hurt you, relative to what he brings. He's a great talent, right shot, offensive upside. He's a great fit for us, but he plays for a rival we are trying to overtake. Trading Nurse to you is something I would be extremely hesitant about (even if fair value). Draft picks, budget wingers, etc. I could live with. Nurse I couldn't.

You have such a strong pipeline of D, we would be adding an element to your Dcore you would covet. Don't tell me for a second you wouldn't love Nurse on your team.

If someone touched Lindholm, Theo, etc. Nurse would go full savage for those guys. Be reasonable, Nurse is someone any team wants. Maybe not as a #1 or top pairing. Heck even if you saw Nurse as only on your 3rd pairing and PK, he's a guy any team would want. Add into Larsson coming up and having those guys on budget deals, plus Nurse surrounding your top guys. No thanks. ANA gets scarier.

Stop saying losing Vatanen doesn't hurt or sacrifice much it does. He is our 3rd best defenseman who has done well leading a defense pair. Yes we have a strong pipeline of defenseman but Larsson and Theodore are left shooting defenseman when it comes to right shooting defenseman not as good.

Especially in division. An abundance of caution exists for both sides.

I could see ANA and EDM working out a smaller type deal like the Maroon type deal. Perhaps Bogdan Yakimov (conditional on a contractual agreement with ANA being worked out prior to deal closing) for Montour?

Alternatively, Anton Slepyshev is a 6'2 185-190 RWer.

Bargain bin winger options with upside in our system. Both Russian players. Bogdan Yakimov is a 6'5 230 lb LWer. We recently loaned him to the KHL, we still own his rights. Good skater for a guy his size, ANA likes big LWers. These are small deal options that benefit both sides without substantial risk.

We are not trading Montour for Yakimov or Anton Slepyshev.

 

[snipes]

I have ZERO interest in trading Vatanen to the Oilers with the main piece being Yakupov or Nurse.



Fowler hasn't scored 40 points since his rookie season. He is pretty much a 30+ point player now. Lindholm should be good for 30+ points.

If we want cap relief we will trade Despres over Vatanen for example. Despres isn't as good and important to us.



Yakupov sucks he wouldn't help us out on wing all that much. We don't have much interest in Nurse because we have a good blueline prospect pool already.

You wouldn't make this trade because it is with a division rival ROFL that is what I would say. You are getting a young Right Shooting defenseman who is high scoring and has been part of the best PK in the NHL and has played well in big games. He is the exact type of defenseman the Oilers still need and he would have a much bigger impact helping the Oilers then Yakupov and Nurse. Oilers need to get better sooner then later and this trade would do so possibly pushing them over the hump.



We would be sacrificing our best right shooting defenseman who is our highest scorer that is a lot to sacrifice. LOL at Oilers sacrificing a lot. You trade away Yakupov who sucks and needs a change of scenery and could still suck with it. Nurse is possibly a sacrifice but he is a unknown he might top out as a bottom pairing defenseman. Oilers need to get better sooner then later you can't keep having so many crappy seasons it will be a big negative effect on your young players to see more crappy seasons. Oilers need to get a winning environment ASAP.



Oh god not Benoit Pouliot in a thread again. We don't want this player with a career high of 36 points (less then Vatanen career high) who is 29 years old and has been missing a lot of games with injury in each of the last two seasons. So many Ducks fans said no to Vatanen for Yakupov + Pouliot before nothing will makes us trade Vatanen for anything close to that we need much better quality.



Stop saying losing Vatanen doesn't hurt us much it hurts us a lot. He is our 3rd best defenseman who has done well leading a defense pair.



We are not trading Montour for Yakimov or Anton Slepyshev.

You know bro, I'm on the same page. I have zero interest in even possibly helping you out.

Your bottom 6 is weak and ripe to be conquered. **** helping you out. Honestly, after the SJS debacle with Polak and Haley, I view California as the enemy. It's funny, our sorrow with no playoff teams has changed my hate. I actually want CGY and VAN to be good teams and battle them in the playoffs.

Time for Cali to get conquered. The real "Death Valley" is Western Canada during -30 C weather in the dead of winter. Cold weather, away from home, facing a barbaric crowd. The team itself has skill and toughness for days. We're done bowing to you and the arrogance directed at us. You lucked into being fans of a good team, our love of hockey is beyond comprehension.

Think you were loud during your era? A northern Alberta crowd playing for Lord Stanley is a crowd in a trance. We've endured more than the sunshine fans could endure. Ever wore skates? Actually been on the ice outside?

You're done bullying the Oilers. ANA can be conquered. SJS are the kings of the Pacific. You aren't in their class. We can fight you, this new Oiler team entering a new arena should have no respect or thoughts of bowing down against your team. Your bottom 6 will be exposed, ANA doesn't have that same aura you used to.

**** any deals involving ANA and EDM.

 

[Ducks in a row]

You know bro, I'm on the same page. I have zero interest in even possibly helping you out.

Your bottom 6 is weak and ripe to be conquered. **** helping you out. Honestly, after the SJS debacle with Polak and Haley, I view California as the enemy. It's funny, our sorrow with no playoff teams has changed my hate. I actually want CGY and VAN to be good teams and battle them in the playoffs.

Time for Cali to get conquered. The real "Death Valley" is Western Canada during -30 C weather in the dead of winter. Cold weather, away from home, facing a barbaric crowd. The team itself has skill and toughness for days. We're done bowing to you and the arrogance directed as us. You lucked into being fans of a team, our love of hockey is beyond comprehension.

Think you were loud during your era? A northern Alberta crowd playing for Lord Stanley is a crowd in a trance. We've endured more than the sunshine fans could endure. Ever wore skates? Actually been on the ice outside?

You're done bullying the Oilers. ANA can be conquered. SJS are the kings of the Pacific. You aren't in their class. We can fight you, this new Oiler team entering a new arena should have no respect or thoughts of bowing down against your team. Your bottom 6 will be exposed, ANA doesn't have that same aura you used to.

**** any deals involving ANA and EDM.

Yeah our bottom 6 isn't that good but neither is Yakupov don't want him in our bottom 6. He has sucked with the Oilers and don't believe he would be much better with us especially if we have him playing in our bottom 6. A trade of Vatanen for Yakupov and Nurse doesn't help us out it makes our team worse and the Oilers better want no part of that double negative. If you can't see that then I just don't know what to say. Oilers need to get better ASAP not hope things work out as is.

 

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Yeah our bottom 6 isn't that good but neither is Yakupov don't want him in our bottom 6. He has sucked with the Oilers and don't believe he would be much better with us especially if we have him playing in our bottom 6. A trade of Vatanen for Yakupov and Nurse doesn't help us out it makes our team worse and the Oilers better want no part of that double negative.

It doesn't work out of extreme caution. I'll say it fairly, Vatanen is better than Nurse.

But I'm sure you could understand why we wouldn't want to face a Dman of Nurses type for the next 10-15 years. He's the type of Dman that peaks from about 24-35+. Later and longer peak, pretty standard for NHL Dmen.

ANA will hate playing Darnell. I'm sure your fans will notice him.

 

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It doesn't work out of extreme caution. I'll say it fairly, Vatanen is better than Nurse.

But I'm sure you could understand why we wouldn't want to face a Dman of Nurses type for the next 10-15 years. He's the type of Dman that peaks from about 24-35+. Later and longer peak, pretty standard for NHL Dmen.

ANA will hate playing Darnell. I'm sure your fans will notice him.

Vatanen is better then both Yakupov and Nurse combined right now. Oilers getting Vatanen for that makes them better currently and they need to get better ASAP do you not agree? If you agree I don't see why you wouldn't want to make a trade to get better regardless of who the trade is with because getting better is more important for Oilers then anything or it should be.

 

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Vatanen is better then both Yakupov and Nurse combined right now. Oilers getting Vatanen for that makes them better currently and they need to get better ASAP do you not agree? If you agree I don't see why you wouldn't want to make a trade to get better regardless of who the trade is with because getting better is more important for Oilers then anything or it should be.

I want Darnell as part of the Oilers future. Period.

You'll get used to saying Darnell Nurse. I imagine you guys won't like him too much. Can't wait until he's a grown man. Look out.