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Proposal: Varlamov for Koskinen +
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He was bad at the beginning of the year considering he missed almost all of camp and the beginning of the season coming off injury but he's back to having excellent numbers, Nashville game aside.
Not sure what his worth is as he holds an NTC but it's definitely worth more than a 3rd, especially if Kuemper got a first from a desperate Colorado team (when Grubauer decided to bolt).
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Salo has been playing. If Barry does it right, Salo will continue to play once Pulock comes back. I can’t see Broberg coming in and being played above Chara/Greene/Salo/Aho/Hutton even based on how Barry runs the show. Forwards are bare bones at the moment when it comes to Isles prospects.
GreeningOil
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I don’t know who questioned Varlamov’s not being able to handle the starting job or not being good this year but it isn’t me. He’s been very good the past couple of weeks hence why I thought he would be a good fit in Edmonton
As I posted in another thread, Koskinen only has 58.5% of his contract left this year. It works out to $2.65 Million or thereabouts. He can play decent back up minutes. The problem with the Oilers is that they play him like a starter.
Your statement above is ridiculous. Dumb.
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Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. :(
Not so long ago it was said that Griffin Reinhart would not bring back a first rounder #16 overall and why not let’s throw in #33 overall while we’re at it.
Desperate times and GMs make overpayments. The Oilers are going nowhere without a quality goalie.
That seems like a win for the Oil. Loss for the NYI. Oil need to add quite a bit here. Higher pick and decent prospect.
if they have to eat the bad Koskinen contract and lose a goalie under contract for next year, they’d want at least an 2nd and someone like Savoie.
GrumpyKoala
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Koskinen will not wave his no trade for a team where he can't have playing time.
The irony is he the only goalie that win games for edmonton this year but everyone want him out to make room for a 4-6 goalie that played all his game but one against non playoff teams.
Is Koskinen a Vezina goalie? No but the oilers are about a .700 team with him in net while he get all the games against playoff team.
Something rotten and the coaching staff is deep into it.
The irony is he the only goalie that win games for edmonton this year but everyone want him out to make room for a 4-6 goalie that played all his game but one against non playoff teams.
Is Koskinen a Vezina goalie? No but the oilers are about a .700 team with him in net while he get all the games against playoff team.
Something rotten and the coaching staff is deep into it.
leeroggy
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Then don't talk for Edmonton fans either. And maybe spend a few minutes on your grammar.
I get the concept of freeing up cap space and I can, from that aspect, understand the OP. There is value in taking on contracts that go beyond this season - if that team is in a cap crunch.
However, as stated by Isle's fans, they do have about 5 million coming off the cap next year plus another 2.6 in bonuses and overage. They also have kids to replace them. So they will have some cap space. However, I do think there may be some value in losing a 5 million back up that can be replaced by someone making 1.5 -2.5 million and playing about 30 games.
Having said that, I don't see any reason why they would want to do Edmonton any favors. Kosk is a cap dump - so to take him on will likely require payment (2nd or a 3rd - maybe more) (even for 1 year). Then you have to equate the cost of the difference between the two play wise. I don't see a lottery protect 1st as being out the question - or a couple of 2nds.
However, as stated by Isle's fans, they do have about 5 million coming off the cap next year plus another 2.6 in bonuses and overage. They also have kids to replace them. So they will have some cap space. However, I do think there may be some value in losing a 5 million back up that can be replaced by someone making 1.5 -2.5 million and playing about 30 games.
Having said that, I don't see any reason why they would want to do Edmonton any favors. Kosk is a cap dump - so to take him on will likely require payment (2nd or a 3rd - maybe more) (even for 1 year). Then you have to equate the cost of the difference between the two play wise. I don't see a lottery protect 1st as being out the question - or a couple of 2nds.
I don't think he is disputing that Koskinen is a Turd of a starter. He is a decent backup when playing less games. If NYI don't want 5 million in cap space for next season they can wait and move him in the Summer, but they will likely get money back in any deal then.
Islander's pass unless there's an overpayment, Koskinen is hot garbage and of no interest even as a backup.
This is a hockey board and I’m entitled to talk about the Oilers, Habs or Islanders if want to whether I’m a fan of that team or not. Also, the day you will be able communicate in 3 different languages (English being my third one) you’ll have a say on my grammar. Until then, you can keep your mouth shut and your entitled opinion to yourself
OG Eberle
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I feel like people are completely overlooking the whole premise of the trade is your trading a backup with an additional year for another lesser backup with one less year AND gaining a 2nd/3rd round pick...
Its been stated multiple times that if the NYI are happy with their cap space going into the offseason, then the deal doesn't make sense for them.
A 2-6 goalie playing backup on a good defensive team AND an additional year for a backup goalie on an expiring contract and arguably our best defensive prospect... no thanks
No one cares about career averages at this point. We aren't inheriting his prior wins or save % so it's a weird point. Not to mention no one is arguing Varlamov or Koskinen are the same, hence the high pick addition to Koski...
If anything, your argument shows that Koskinen is in a slump and is actually much better than his current stats would show. But I don't think that helps your argument...
It wouldn't take more than 10s to name players who are much more overpaid than our expiring $5million dollar goalie...
You make it sound like he's signed for another 5 years at $8million.
He's not even the most overpaid goalie in the NHL lol
Some people seem to have a hard time understand this logic and tCan’t say I am surprised though.
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@OG Eberle it’s one of those offers that is intended to be exaggerated.
NYI doesn’t need to move Varlamov for anything less than an asset to help them somewhere else.
NYI doesn’t need to move Varlamov for anything less than an asset to help them somewhere else.
I am just pointing out the irony of Oilers fan bemoaning their goaltending at the same time that they are shilling their wares to every team.
The irony seems to be lost here.
Just to be clear., in a varlamov/koskinen swap the Oilers would have to:
1. Pay isles to take Koskinen.
2. Pay isles to have Varlamov.
A 3rd simply doesn't satisfy those 2 requirements.
OG Eberle
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Thread Summary:
Oilers fans: Willing to take the extra year on Varlamov for Koski and a 2nd/3rd if NYI are looking to free up cap space in their offseason and reallocate funds from backup goalie position
NYI fans: Varlamov is WAY better than Koski! Why would we help the Oilers out? Have you seen his stats??? And he's our backup!!! He's worth at least a 1st or Broberg
Oilers fans: ...no one is saying Varlamov isn't better than Koskinen. We're just seeing if you want to swap backup goalies for cap flexibility in the offseason to the tune of $5million... and we'll give a 2nd too to make it worth while! No worries if not...
NYI fans: Koskinen is the most overpaid goalie in the league! No way we're taking that anchor of a contract! Varlamov is playing at his career average pace right now! Look at Koskinen! So much worse!!!
Oilers fans: ...you're arguing against no one right now. Offer only made sense if you wanted to shed a year of an expensive backups contract... like we said...
NYI fans: No favours over here!
/thread
Oilers fans: Willing to take the extra year on Varlamov for Koski and a 2nd/3rd if NYI are looking to free up cap space in their offseason and reallocate funds from backup goalie position
NYI fans: Varlamov is WAY better than Koski! Why would we help the Oilers out? Have you seen his stats??? And he's our backup!!! He's worth at least a 1st or Broberg
Oilers fans: ...no one is saying Varlamov isn't better than Koskinen. We're just seeing if you want to swap backup goalies for cap flexibility in the offseason to the tune of $5million... and we'll give a 2nd too to make it worth while! No worries if not...
NYI fans: Koskinen is the most overpaid goalie in the league! No way we're taking that anchor of a contract! Varlamov is playing at his career average pace right now! Look at Koskinen! So much worse!!!
Oilers fans: ...you're arguing against no one right now. Offer only made sense if you wanted to shed a year of an expensive backups contract... like we said...
NYI fans: No favours over here!
/thread
OG Eberle
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The premise of the "asset to help elsewhere" in the trade is gaining a 2nd round pick and opening up $5milllion of capspace in the offseason in a flatcap era.
We're swapping backup goalies here. Not starters for the NYI.
Varlamov is being made out to be some shining star this season. He's 2-6 in 10 games played...
But again, if the NYI are not that interested in freeing that cap space this offseason from a backup role AND getting a 2nd, its totally fine and the deal doesn't make sense for them which we've acknowledged countless times...
If you cant tell the difference between and goalie and skater than i cant help you
