Value of: Vancouver Vs Colorado Thread

[GirardSpinorama]

The way he skates the other team would never get the puck from 6x Quinn Hughes.

That's actually not possible since there's always face offs due to various factors. Just imagine two Quinn Hughes after a dzone faceoff draw loss against McDrai or mack-rantanen-landeskog lol.

There's huge diminished returns after you have more than one small puckmover per pairing.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

That's actually not possible since there's always face offs due to various factors. Just imagine two Quinn Hughes after a dzone faceoff draw loss against McDrai or mack-rantanen-landeskog lol.

There's huge diminished returns after you have more than one small puckmover per pairing.

Would 4 Hughes and 2 Byrams be better than 6 Hughes or 6 Byrams?

That is the optimal ratio of Hughes to Byram?

I need some advanced stats and Fenwick adjusted analysis!

 

[BoHorvat 53]

It's almost as bad as trading a former 4OA pick , the best defenseman in his draft, for a pick and ending up with someone like Kakko/Reinhart/Hayton/Poolparty...

To suggest Byram is the best defenseman in his draft is amongst the most ridiculous things I've read on here in a while, Moritz Seider is much better than Byram and can actually stay healthy...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Imo that’s too much for Schiefele with only 1 year left on his deal. If it’s a sign and trade it might be a bit more in-line.

Possibly yes. It's HF boards, You almost have to overbid to avoid the belittle nick picker gang. I do think Scheifele goes to the Avs and Dubois to the Habs. Wild guess

Why would the Avs give up that much for 1 year of Scheifele?

You and the Jets can decide that. All I know is Scheifele is a fit for the Avs and it's a full year. Will be a bit more than the Horvat trade

To suggest Byram is the best defenseman in his draft is amongst the most ridiculous things I've read on here in a while, Moritz Seider is much better than Byram and can actually stay healthy...

Too early to say at this stage. Edge to Seider today... I would agree with that but much better? Only time will tell.

 

[AslanRH]

I don't see either team doing this... regardless of trade value. The guy the Avs need to move is Girard and that's to use his cap space for a 2C.

Calling it now. Dubois forces the Jets hand this summer and then Scheifele follows. Dubois to the Habs and Scheifele to the Avs. Jets will not dilly dally if their top end players choose not to sign. Where does Helle end up? Not sure. Are the Jets able to convince Scheifele and Helle to stay even if Dubois walks? Possible but Scheifele will not like it if Dubois is traded for futures (like the Trouba trade and they were contenders more then vs now). Is another GM going to gamble by offering a Laine/Rost thinking they can convince Dubois to stay? Not this time. Not after he wants out of two cities.

Panthers pick, Possibly Beck, Gurianov, and a NHL contract (Maybe Edmundson or Armia with retention)
for
Dubois

Newhook, Avs 2023 1st, Girard
for
Scheifele

Why you gotta try and sidetrack this thread into a thread about 3 other teams?
This one has been a big enough car crash as it is.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

To suggest Byram is the best defenseman in his draft is amongst the most ridiculous things I've read on here in a while, Moritz Seider is much better than Byram and can actually stay healthy...

Sure, Seider can stay healthy. But, the only significant difference in their numbers is that Seider plays on the PP1 in Detroit. Byram actually scores at a higher rate at ES, which admittedly could be due to the Avs being a better overall team, but he's also missing out on a lot of opportunities because Makar and Toews exist. Does playing on a shitty team automatically make you a better player?

Byram also has a pretty significant edge over everyone in the playoffs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why you gotta try and sidetrack this thread into a thread about 3 other teams?
This one has been a big enough car crash as it is.

Just a side point and I'm out. Watch others fall into it more now. The main point here is the Avs are looking for a 2C and the trade idea in this thread is not something I see either team doing.

In case you didn't notice, replying with your post carries it forward even more. If you truly didn't want it to carry forward, don't reply

 

[AslanRH]

Just a side point and I'm out. Watch others fall into it more now. The main point here is the Avs are looking for a 2C and the trade idea in this thread is not something I see either team doing.

In case you didn't notice, replying with your post carries it forward even more. If you truly didn't want it to carry forward, don't reply

OK mom, it was mostly in jest

 

[Perratrooper]

Possibly yes. It's HF boards, You almost have to overbid to avoid the belittle nick picker gang. I do think Scheifele goes to the Avs and Dubois to the Habs. Wild guess



You and the Jets can decide that. All I know is Scheifele is a fit for the Avs and it's a full year. Will be a bit more than the Horvat trade



Too early to say at this stage. Edge to Seider today... I would agree with that but much better? Only time will tell.

I could certainly see that happening if PLD decides to move on. I do hope the Avs could convince PLD to come to Denver, but if his heart is set on Montreal can’t do much there.

 

[McJedi]

Not sure how you know the lottery results. And it's not a sharp drop off top 4, strongest draft since 2015.

But the top 4 picks are the most interesting. It’s really good 5-8, it’s good beyond that. But you really want a top 4 pick in this one.

 

[McJedi]

To suggest Byram is the best defenseman in his draft is amongst the most ridiculous things I've read on here in a while, Moritz Seider is much better than Byram and can actually stay healthy...

Byram is all around better than Seider but Moritz can stay healthy. Offensively and in transition… Byram is definitely the superior player. Seider fills up the hit stat sheet though. Very good player but was overrated based on his rookie year.

Seider needs to contribute more offensively than he does to be considered elite. The guy QBs a PP with Perron, Bertuzzi (Boston), Larkin and Raymond. He had a rather meager start to his 2nd season that lasted several months into the year. Sophomore slump.

Seider has never come close to the level of play Byram reached in the SCFs. Byram just needs to stay healthy and he’ll pass Seider in the ranking of Dmen.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I think your underrating him here buddy, his MO isn't goal scoring, it's skating and playmaking, he's also just fine defensively, not mediocre, come on man, you said you've been watching us more, you should know this. Fastest dman to 200 assists in NHL history, and a plus player the last two years on a tire fire of a team.


He's played 73 NHL games man and has 33 points, and has major injury concerns, we haven't seen his ceiling yet. One really good playoff again does not make a player, if it did, Demko would be the most valuable player in league history.

Goalies run hot and cold. You have cam wards of the world winning the conn Smythe and not living up to it again.

Totally different than skaters who have good playoff runs.

 

[Fren]

If Byram is moving to Vancouver, Pettersson is moving to Colorado.

If Hughes is moving to Colorado, Mackinnon is moving to Vancouver.

 

[Beef Cake]

Is this thread still Avs fans thinking Byram has equal value to Pettersson?

 

[AslanRH]

If Hughes is moving to Colorado, Mackinnon is moving to Vancouver.

Vancouver could do better

 

[GirardSpinorama]

If Hughes is moving to Colorado, Mackinnon is moving to Vancouver.

There is no one in Vancouver worth MacKinnon.

Is this thread still Avs fans thinking Byram has equal value to Pettersson?

Petterson would be the ask, but Avs would have to add.

 

[Linds]

If Hughes is moving to Colorado, Mackinnon is moving to Vancouver.

Better take Makar too

 

[Linds]

Is this thread still Avs fans thinking Byram has equal value to Pettersson?

No one disagreed that avs would need to add. Nuck fans pulled the classic "Hughes card".
Then it became about Byram and Hughes. Basically the issue is Byram staying healthy (decresing his value)
vs
Being the 2nd best D on the Avs all playoffs and the best player in the cup finals

 

[Beef Cake]

Literally on the first page is an Avs fan saying Colorado wouldn't add.

No one disagreed that avs would need to add. Nuck fans pulled the classic "Hughes card".
Then it became about Byram and Hughes. Basically the issue is Byram staying healthy (decresing his value)
vs
Being the 2nd best D on the Avs all playoffs and the best player in the cup finals

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Literally on the first page is an Avs fan saying Colorado wouldn't add.

Are you just gonna ignore all the other fans who said Byram wouldn't get EP straight up?

 

[katfude]

No one disagreed that avs would need to add. Nuck fans pulled the classic "Hughes card".
Then it became about Byram and Hughes. Basically the issue is Byram staying healthy (decresing his value)
vs
Being the 2nd best D on the Avs all playoffs and the best player in the cup finals

At least we finally got past Hughes v Makar, I guess.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

If the Canucks offered up QH the av's don't take it?

No? Why would we want Hughes?

 

[Beef Cake]

Are you just gonna ignore all the other fans who said Byram wouldn't get EP straight up?

Atleast there are a couple.

This whole thread is hot garbage. Why on earth would the Avs look to move Byram?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Atleast there are a couple.

This whole thread is hot garbage. Why on earth would the Avs look to move Byram?

We wouldn't. I haven't seen a single Avs fan start a thread that includes trading away Byram. He is our single greatest competitive advantage versus other contenders. Almost every contender has elite players. Some like McDavid is even better than Mack. But no contender has a 21 year old whose upside is that high.

 

[Beef Cake]

I guess OP was looking for "high risk" guys but Byram isn't that.

I'm biased perhaps, been a huge Byram fan since he was with the Giants and always felt like he had all star calibre potential.

Don't agree with trading Hoglander while he's at his lowest value either.

Looking at both rosters I don't see anything that really works between the two clubs right now, Maybe, maybe something around Demko but I don't think MacFarland/Sakic move those assets for a previously injured goalie unless Van sells low.