Value of: Vancouver Vs Colorado Thread

[GirardSpinorama]

He’s a legit number 1 but it’s because of his skating, passing and transition. He’s better defensively than he’s given credit for but no… he’s not great at it. He’s like Girard in a lot of ways. Good at tracking the puck. Doesn’t get walked much. But a liability in the corners and in front of the net. His game lacks any kind of bite the better defenders all have. Even Makar has bite and blows guys up at times. Hughes doesn’t like hitting from what I seen. That’s a problem for me.

He’s mediocre defensively because that’s all he’ll ever be if he doesn’t add a physical element to his game.

Not scoring is also a problem. The best offensive Dmen all have better shots and score a lot more than he does.

Very good player. Obviously an elite passer. Elite skater too. But he’s got some pretty significant limitations as a physical presence and scorer.

The gap between Byram and Hughes's hockey sense/transition abilities is just vastly smaller than the gap between their physical presence. You can build a team of 6 Byram's on the backend and be amazing. You can't build it with 6 Quinn Hughes.

 

[thefutures]

A micro chance to get Bedard. Much more likely to get a Turcotte.

Byram would not go 2nd so not just bedard. Byram didn't even go 2nd in his own draft which was much weaker compared to this strong draft. I get that he's played well but he also has injury concern. Wouldn't move any top pick for him.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Byram would not go 2nd so not just bedard. Byram didn't even go 2nd in his own draft which was much weaker compared to this strong draft. I get that he's played well but he also has injury concern. Wouldn't move any top pick for him.

Unfortunately, the canucks don't have a top pick, it's the 6th/7th or higher. Sharp drop off after the top 4.

 

[thefutures]

Unfortunately, the canucks don't have a top pick, it's the 6th/7th or higher. Sharp drop off after the top 4.

Not sure how you know the lottery results. And it's not a sharp drop off top 4, strongest draft since 2015.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Cool, if QH was on the table I feel like it's the same, Byram comes for EP then it costs the AV's a lot more.


Oh ok, so were not having an actual conversation here, because nobody is dumb enough to believe that, cool.

I'm sorry that you live in your Canucks bubble but probably by this time next year/going forward it will be common knowledge that Byram is better than Hughes. Offensively? No. Overall? Absolutely. Maybe go re-watch game 6 of the Final last year.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Not sure how you know the lottery results. And it's not a sharp drop off top 4, strongest draft since 2015.

I disagree. There is a consensus top 4, with some switching between Michkov and Carlsson. The 5th/6th/7th/8th prospects don't excite me and very unlikely play in the NHL next year.

You're right though, we don't know the results. Vancouver could be drafting 15th overall again, they have all the time in the world to make another useless run.

 

[thefutures]

I disagree. There is a consensus top 4, with some switching between Michkov and Carlsson. The 5th/6th/7th/8th prospects don't excite me and very unlikely play in the NHL next year.

You're right though, we don't know the results. Vancouver could be drafting 15th overall again, they have all the time in the world to make another useless run.

Yup anything can happen including byram hurting his head on a simple check like he has multiple times further deteriorating his health and value.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Yup anything can happen including byram hurting his head on a simple check like he has multiple times further deteriorating his health and value.

Could easily also happen to Hughes. As hockey fans, we just hope they don't happen to the great talents.

 

[thefutures]

Could easily also happen to Hughes. As hockey fans, we just hope they don't happen to the great talents.

Yeah anyone can get hurt of course, just more likely that the guy with a list of Injuries gets hurt again.

I didn't even talk about Hughes loll.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Yeah anyone can get hurt of course, just more likely that the guy with a list of Injuries gets hurt again.

I didn't even talk about Hughes loll.

Its also more likely for smaller players to get hurt with how fast the games are these days.

Anyways, back to: Avs don't want a lotto ticket by trading away a stud who has helped us with the only thing that matters. Period, end of story.

 

[thefutures]

Its also more likely for smaller players to get hurt with how fast the games are these days.

Lol sounds like wishful thinking.

Its also more likely for smaller players to get hurt with how fast the games are these days.

Anyways, back to: Avs don't want a lotto ticket by trading away a stud who has helped us with the only thing that matters. Period, end of story.

Wasnt advocating for a byram trade so not sure why you got so sensitive anyway.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Lol sounds like wishful thinking.


Wasnt advocating for a byram trade so not sure why you got so sensitive anyway.

I don't wish for the Hughes to get injured. Just stating a common fact. The Canucks are irrelevant to the Avs for the next few years.

 

[thefutures]

I don't wish for the Hughes to get injured. Just stating a common fact. The Canucks are irrelevant to the Avs for the next few years.

I'm not even talking about Hughes. Keep up kid.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

I see this thread is going well

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I'm not even talking about Hughes. Keep up kid.

You would rather go day dream about that 2023 pick playing in the Stanley Cup finals in 2030?

 

[thefutures]

You would rather go day dream about that 2023 pick playing in the Stanley Cup finals in 2030?

Your the pro scout you tell me what these kids will be doing in 7 years. Imagine trading 10th overall in 2015 for a guy that can't stay on the ice. Fireable offense.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Your the pro scout you tell me what these kids will be doing in 7 years. Imagine trading 10th overall in 2015 for a guy that can't stay on the ice. Fireable offense.

The guy is playing in the NHL right now and a big contributor to the cup. But you can keep day dreaming.

 

[thefutures]

The guy is playing in the NHL right now and a big contributor to the cup. But you can keep day dreaming.

So you don't want to trade the guy, I don't want to give up the pick. Not sure what your issue is here? Just being sensitive for the sake of it I guess.

 

[docbenton]

The gap between Byram and Hughes's hockey sense/transition abilities is just vastly smaller than the gap between their physical presence. You can build a team of 6 Byram's on the backend and be amazing. You can't build it with 6 Quinn Hughes.

So much disrespect. First. Ballot. Hall-of-Famer. You can book your tickets now.

6x Quinn Hughes would dominate the league. The other team would never touch the puck. He strips plenty of pucks from top players without needing to be physical.

Someone brought up +/-, he leads his team in plus minus. 1st PK unit when he didn't just have a 2 min shift (though he looks like he can play the whole game, 30min doesn't seem like it's enough for him).

I didn't bring Hughes up in this thread by the way, just please do not compare him to Bowen Byram (or Girard, haha). It's hard to overstate how much better he is than those players.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't see either team doing this... regardless of trade value. The guy the Avs need to move is Girard and that's to use his cap space for a 2C.

Calling it now. Dubois forces the Jets hand this summer and then Scheifele follows. Dubois to the Habs and Scheifele to the Avs. Jets will not dilly dally if their top end players choose not to sign. Where does Helle end up? Not sure. Are the Jets able to convince Scheifele and Helle to stay even if Dubois walks? Possible but Scheifele will not like it if Dubois is traded for futures (like the Trouba trade and they were contenders more then vs now). Is another GM going to gamble by offering a Laine/Rost thinking they can convince Dubois to stay? Not this time. Not after he wants out of two cities.

Panthers pick, Possibly Beck, Gurianov, and a NHL contract (Maybe Edmundson or Armia with retention)
for
Dubois

Newhook, Avs 2023 1st, Girard
for
Scheifele

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Your the pro scout you tell me what these kids will be doing in 7 years. Imagine trading 10th overall in 2015 for a guy that can't stay on the ice. Fireable offense.

It's almost as bad as trading a former 4OA pick , the best defenseman in his draft, for a pick and ending up with someone like Kakko/Reinhart/Hayton/Poolparty...

 

[GirardSpinorama]

So you don't want to trade the guy, I don't want to give up the pick. Not sure what your issue is here? Just being sensitive for the sake of it I guess.

I feel like you have an issue with me saying that I don't value those picks. If it was a top 4 pick, story changes. But the rest of the prospects aren't that good.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

I don't see either team doing this... regardless of trade value. The guy the Avs need to move is Girard and that's to use his cap space for a 2C.

Calling it now. Dubois forces the Jets hand this summer and then Scheifele follows. Dubois to the Habs and Scheifele to the Avs. Jets will not dilly dally if their top end players choose not to sign. Where does Helle end up? Not sure. Are the Jets able to convince Scheifele and Helle to stay even if Dubois walks? Possible but Scheifele will not like it if Dubois is traded for futures (like the Trouba trade and they were contenders more then vs now). Is another GM going to gamble by offering a Laine/Rost thinking they can convince Dubois to stay? Not this time. Not after he wants out of two cities.

Panthers pick, Possibly Beck, Gurianov, and a NHL contract (Maybe Edmundson or Armia with retention)
for
Dubois

Newhook, Avs 2023 1st, Girard
for
Scheifele

Why would the Avs give up that much for 1 year of Scheifele?

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

The way he skates the other team would never get the puck from 6x Quinn Hughes.

 

[Perratrooper]

I don't see either team doing this... regardless of trade value. The guy the Avs need to move is Girard and that's to use his cap space for a 2C.

Calling it now. Dubois forces the Jets hand this summer and then Scheifele follows. Dubois to the Habs and Scheifele to the Avs. Jets will not dilly dally if their top end players choose not to sign. Where does Helle end up? Not sure. Are the Jets able to convince Scheifele and Helle to stay even if Dubois walks? Possible but Scheifele will not like it if Dubois is traded for futures (like the Trouba trade and they were contenders more then vs now). Is another GM going to gamble by offering a Laine/Rost thinking they can convince Dubois to stay? Not this time. Not after he wants out of two cities.

Panthers pick, Possibly Beck, Gurianov, and a NHL contract (Maybe Edmundson or Armia with retention)
for
Dubois

Newhook, Avs 2023 1st, Girard
for
Scheifele

Imo that’s too much for Schiefele with only 1 year left on his deal. If it’s a sign and trade it might be a bit more in-line.