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I hope the same just the reversed final outcome.
Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?
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Sykur
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The90
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Like the Kessel era leafs for a couple years. The blues were dead last doing the exact opposite of what Vancouver is doing and went in the complete other direction. Same principal just in the opposite direction.
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I think the most impressive thing is they've only lost 2 games in a row twice. And 2 is the longest losing streak they've had.
Its those streaks that can really kill you, and so far they just always seem to respond.
(Keeping in mind that this was a mentally fragile team last season)
Its those streaks that can really kill you, and so far they just always seem to respond.
(Keeping in mind that this was a mentally fragile team last season)
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Point is they didn't regress until after they won the Cup.
Which actually happens a lot in hockey. And I'm sure more than a few Canucks fans would be perfectly okay with that.
The only REAL good teams that win the Cup also win the President's Trophy. Everyone else is just lucky.
Rick Tochett - the unofficial head coach on the Cup winning Pens 2016 and 2017.
Great sign for play offs.
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him asking for Montreal is like Canucks fans asking for San Jose or Chicago as a playoff opponent.You are sadistic
HFBoards might have to shut down for good if the Leafs win the cup.
The90
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Their entire first half of the season was the valley then they hit a peak. You guys are doing the opposite lol that’s a terrible example
close thread garbigde materials. garbidge team all garbidge content in this team. they playing in easy western rocknroll hollywood plastic bullshit fake easy point division where jb millers and mediocre swedes always putted up.they should to force musselated hockeyplayers in this division also in law force defenshockey style there so they forced showing up in real face. off with hollywood mask from these teams they include nothing. not nhl at west. childrens hockey division
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There’s 20-30 posters around here who would need regular wellness checks if that were to happen. They’re not leaf fans of course, but veeeeery emotionally invested in how the leafs do.
I think this year at least, they’re safe lol
‘professor’ at the end is the chefs kiss on this post lol
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Looks like Vancouver will waltz to the Pacific division crown with the Kings and Knights falling apart recently.
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Right. And then they rode that peak all the way through the playoffs, to their first Stanley Cup.
So what's this "regression to the mean" nonsense? There is no reason why they ought to come down at all. They can just keep going. Many teams in the past have done just that.
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I’ll say this slow, that hot streak, did, not, last, a, full, year. It was about as long as what Vancouver currently has. It started after Christmas and went all the way through. You guys are doing the opposite. We just have to wait it out and the stats always fall closer to the mean.
That doesn’t mean:
1. Your team isn’t good
2. You can’t win playoff series
3. You can’t or won’t make the playoffs, that’s a layup at this point
4. You can’t win the cup
What it does mean is that their shooting percentages will likely even out at some point and they’ll have to find different ways to win.
Stop taking this as a ‘he’s saying my team sucks’ type comment and getting upset about it and look at it from a raw statistical standpoint. It’s simple math.
That is why PDO should not be taking into consideration, it is simply shot% + save% and doesn't tell a whole story. It is not a predictive stat, PDO is just a short hand for two stats of past games in the season.
PDO ignores all context. I've said it before, one of you nerds should break down PDO for every situation per 60, and we will get to have real discussions. Until that happens, it's just Canucks fans vs Anti-Camucks fans throwing the PDO ball back and forth.
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Oh my god you're not getting this at all so please stop your stupid yapping and try to understand.
Streaks tend to keep going until the routine is broken. You see this in tennis and basketball a lot -- when a team/player gets in a good groove, the opposing team/player will call a timeout or do some stalling tactic to try break the groove. Poker players also recognize this phenomenon most intimately: Every pro has a story where they go on an insane card rush, and they don't want it to end so they keep playing, often for days, staying awake with energy drinks and caffeine pills. Because they know if they stop and go to bed, the heater is over. And they never know when they'll get another one.
St. Louis got into a good rhythm in 2019 and because there was no break in routine, were able to ride it to a Cup. It's not about how long the streak lasted, or when it started. It's about the inertia, the momentum, the continuance of performance.
Vancouver is also on such a streak, and as long as they stick to their routine it seems they can just keep going. So at this point the most dangerous part of their schedule is..... the All Star Break.
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Overly rigid misconceptions and stat-watching aside, I am very curious about where specifically this scenario and past scenarios differ/match, and I think there can be a really interesting discussion about that.
Anyone actually watching the Canucks games can observe that they naturally play a style that would specifically result in a very high PDO. They play a highly skilled and structured puck possession game where they have the puck most of the time but they'll never waste a shot unless it's a high danger scoring chance. They'll always hold onto the puck and regroup while maintaining puck possession if they don't see the scoring chance.
You can also argue that their defensive approach affects save% in the same way, being highly successful at getting goals early and then doing a good job of turtling and preventing high danger scoring chances, but in a way that allows the opposition to take as many low% shots as they want.
My question is, did past high-PDO teams also have high PDOs for that same reason, but something about that style of play itself is truly unsustainable (and if so, what specifically ended up being the reason that made it unsustainable?), or did they play no differently from everyone else and just happened to have high shooting % as a random stroke of luck?
If it's the latter, why HAVEN'T there been more high-skill teams approaching their game this way?
Those are the real questions, not this overly reductive bottom line numbers thing.
Anyone actually watching the Canucks games can observe that they naturally play a style that would specifically result in a very high PDO. They play a highly skilled and structured puck possession game where they have the puck most of the time but they'll never waste a shot unless it's a high danger scoring chance. They'll always hold onto the puck and regroup while maintaining puck possession if they don't see the scoring chance.
You can also argue that their defensive approach affects save% in the same way, being highly successful at getting goals early and then doing a good job of turtling and preventing high danger scoring chances, but in a way that allows the opposition to take as many low% shots as they want.
My question is, did past high-PDO teams also have high PDOs for that same reason, but something about that style of play itself is truly unsustainable (and if so, what specifically ended up being the reason that made it unsustainable?), or did they play no differently from everyone else and just happened to have high shooting % as a random stroke of luck?
If it's the latter, why HAVEN'T there been more high-skill teams approaching their game this way?
Those are the real questions, not this overly reductive bottom line numbers thing.
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Crazy thing is one of their best goal scorer Kuzmenko sucked so bad this season. Imagine he starts playing decent.
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The lotto line and 3rd line is carrying the team now, along with our offense from D thanks to Hronek and Hughes.
Canucks should add a 2nd line center like Lindholm or a good winger like Guentzel to maintain their high octane offense into playoffs.
