Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?

[Pucklington]

Won't they? Possibly.

Can't they? No.

Could they? Certainly.
Have they? Not yet.

 

[CherryToke]

How many division titles do the McDavid era Oilers have?

 

[Grifter3511]

You've absolutely nailed it here. It's why I said in earlier post that I think the question is already "solved". Reasons 1-5 explain why they can maintain a PDO above 100 (although I think defensively they are not that great, but Demko/DeSmith have played very well). However, no team is going to sustainably be at 105. The reason they're that high is luck. Unless, again, people want to believe this is the most skilled team in NHL history, even moreseo than teams carrying Jagr and Lemiueux.

Not trying to imply that I disagree with this, but those Penguins teams carrying Jagr and Lemieux also carried goaltenders with 880 sv%. A 3-4% boost in PDO is coming directly from the goaltending compared to those Penguins teams.

Canucks are currently shooting what, 13.8% (which seems to be right around what penguins shot in the early 90s)? Top teams have a tendency to finish in the high 11% range? So if goaltending keeps up, evening if the shooting regresses to 12% or slighly lower, we're still looking at 103 or possibly slightly lower/higher.

So I ultimately agree with you that sustaining above 105 is highly unlikely, but closer to 105 than 100 is quite realistic at this point.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Not trying to imply that I disagree with this, but those Penguins teams carrying Jagr and Lemieux also carried goaltenders with 880 sv%. A 3-4% boost in PDO is coming directly from the goaltending compared to those Penguins teams.

Canucks are currently shooting what, 13.8% (which seems to be right around what penguins shot in the early 90s)? Top teams have a tendency to finish in the high 11% range? So if goaltending keeps up, evening if the shooting regresses to 12% or slighly lower, we're still looking at 103 or possibly slightly lower/higher.

So I ultimately agree with you that sustaining above 105 is highly unlikely, but closer to 105 than 100 is quite realistic at this point.

For the Canucks to fall back to 100 the regression would have to be biblical.

However, it's entirely possible the PDO will be closer to 100 than 105 from here on in. In fact, it is more likely which I believe is the point all the "haters" in this thread are trying to make.

 

[Coffey]

How many division titles do the McDavid era Oilers have?

None, cause we've had idiots for GMs that couldn't build a team around him.

 

[bossram]

Not trying to imply that I disagree with this, but those Penguins teams carrying Jagr and Lemieux also carried goaltenders with 880 sv%. A 3-4% boost in PDO is coming directly from the goaltending compared to those Penguins teams.

Canucks are currently shooting what, 13.8% (which seems to be right around what penguins shot in the early 90s)? Top teams have a tendency to finish in the high 11% range? So if goaltending keeps up, evening if the shooting regresses to 12% or slighly lower, we're still looking at 103 or possibly slightly lower/higher.

So I ultimately agree with you that sustaining above 105 is highly unlikely, but closer to 105 than 100 is quite realistic at this point.

With regard to the Canucks, the component of PDO that for them is crazy overcooked is shooting percentage. High-end teams in the modern era shoot 11%, they're at 13+%.

League average Sv% is much higher today than the early 90s era. So we shouldn't expect them to shoot at that kind of level. Shooting at the level of a 90s team shows how overcooked they are.

Even regressing to "only" 12% is crazy high in the modern era. I don't think they'll be "closer" to 105.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Why do Canucks fans keep throwing around this 'predictive stat' term.
Decades of the NHL has shown us this won't continue so its reasonable to expect Canucks to not win at this same rate moving forward. Come on guys, this isn't that complicated

It appears to be complicated for you. You asked a question and then apparently unbeknownst to yourself, answered it in the same paragraph.

 

[Grifter3511]

With regard to the Canucks, the component of PDO that for them is crazy overcooked is shooting percentage. High-end teams in the modern era shoot 11%, they're at 13+%.

League average Sv% is much higher today than the early 90s era. So we shouldn't expect them to shoot at that kind of level. Shooting at the level of a 90s team shows how overcooked they are.

Even regressing to "only" 12% is crazy high in the modern era. I don't think they'll be "closer" to 105.

MT

 

[Grifter3511]

Even regressing to "only" 12% is crazy high in the modern era. I don't think they'll be "closer" to 105.

Well, it could regress all the way to 11.5 (which may be hard to do at this point since it's an over 2% drop) but if the Sv% doesn't drop as well, that's still closer to 105 than 100.

Edit: All things being equal, the Canucks would need to shoot around 9.2% from here on out to drop down to 11.5%. There are only 6 teams shooting below 9.2%. The odds of Canucks dropping that low are pretty small.

 

[mkatcherin00]

They have almost SEVEN 20% shooters when most teams have 0/1/and maybe 2 teams have two.....It's been a great year for them so far. I do not see it like this next year. It's is impossible to keep doing that.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Stats junkies have ruined this thread. It should be moved here.

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[Coffey]

They have almost SEVEN 20% shooters when most teams have 0/1/and maybe 2 teams have two.....It's been a great year for them so far. I do not see it like this next year. It's is impossible to keep doing that.

BUT HOW DO WE STOP IT

 

[Three On Zero]

They have almost SEVEN 20% shooters when most teams have 0/1/and maybe 2 teams have two.....It's been a great year for them so far. I do not see it like this next year. It's is impossible to keep doing that.

Ahhh the coping, we have gone from “they can’t possibly keep playing like this” to “they can’t possibly do this again next season”

 

[Fishy McScales]

BUT HOW DO WE STOP IT

We wait

 

[mkatcherin00]

BUT HOW DO WE STOP IT

It cannot be stopped. Some magical force going on. It will be interesting to see them in the playoffs. Tighter games, not much playoff experience. Not very high in High Danger chances for. They just shoot at a high %. Give up more than the average team. Just have to see it play out.

 

[Three On Zero]

They have almost SEVEN 20% shooters when most teams have 0/1/and maybe 2 teams have two.....It's been a great year for them so far. I do not see it like this next year. It's is impossible to keep doing that.

Canucks also only have 5 shooters over 20% and none of them are in the top 5 for shooting %.

If you're going to shout out useless stats at least get them right

 

[Chairman Maouth]

Making a positive thread about the Canucks is like chumming the water for Oilers fans. There are more Oilers fans in here than Canucks fans.

 

[Coffey]

Canucks also only have 5 shooters over 20% and none of them are in the top 5 for shooting %.

If you're going to shout out useless stats at least get them right

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YOU THINK WE FORGOT ABOUT JACK "THE JACKED STUD" STUDNICKA?

(And he said ALMOST seven, Pius Suter is at 19.1% )

 

[Coffey]

Making a positive thread about the Canucks is like chumming the water for Oilers fans. There are more Oilers fans in here than Canucks fans.

This is what happens when your team has the most threads on the first page.
We dealt with it last year when McDavid was tearing up the league, now YOU deal with it. teehee

 

[Three On Zero]

YOU THINK WE FORGOT ABOUT JACK "THE JACKED STUD" STUDNICKA?

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(And he said ALMOST seven, Pius Suter is at 19.1% )

I had to go back and look at Studnicka , I was looking at actual active players and not players on the team previously.

and Suter is 19.0!!!!!!

 

[Grifter3511]

This is what happens when your team has the most threads on the first page.
We dealt with it last year when McDavid was tearing up the league, now YOU deal with it. teehee

Can't we all just agree that we'd rather see each other win than Toronto?

 

[Coffey]

I had to go back and look at Studnicka , I was looking at actual active players and not players on the team previously.

and Suter is 19.0!!!!!!

For comparisons sake, here are all the Oilers shooting over 18.5% this year.

Yea shoot better, I know!

 

[Three On Zero]

For comparisons sake, here are all the Oilers shooting over 18.5% this year.

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Yea shoot better, I know!

0?!?!?!?, they didn't even bother shooting a single time?

Oilers also spent a lot of time swirling in the toilet bowl, so they should be expected to have low %s

 

[Chairman Maouth]

This is what happens when your team has the most threads on the first page.
We dealt with it last year when McDavid was tearing up the league, now YOU deal with it. teehee

I don't think OIlers threads were overrun by Canucks fans. Most of us just don't care that much. Yet, here y'all are, spewing stats and telling us our team isn't as good as its record indicates.

Great fun.

 

[Coffey]

I don't think OIlers threads were overrun by Canucks fans. Most of us just don't care that much. Yet, here y'all are.

I'm sure if the Flames could rack up a win streak or two, they'd be here too!

0?!?!?!?, they didn't even bother shooting a single time?

shooting over 18.5% this year

Yet, here y'all are, spewing stats and telling us our team isn't as good as its record indicates.

NOT I (at least not seriously )