Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?
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Brookbank
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I wasn't implying that it was obviously.
Apparently nobody knows or cares what the Rangers PDO is. Nobody knew or cared what Bostons PDO was last year when it was leading the league (it was high) Fancy stats only pertain to the Canucks.
Why wouldn’t it be?
“Oh these guys actually suck they are too good at shooting and goaltending”
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Boston didn't have a single player who played 30 games last year with a shooting percentages higher than 16%
Canucks have 4 players with a shooting percentage of 22.7% or higher
Boston was 9th in the league in "shots for" per game 8th in "shots against" per game
Canucks are 29th in the league in "shots for" per game and 13th in "shots against" per game
pretty terrible comparison
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That's a fairly flawed comparison still, the Canucks play very defensively when ahead, which they usually are, the Canucks are something like 20-0 when leading through 40 minutes. The increased defense when ahead leads to inflated shots against after scoring a few quick goals on high danger chances, which drastically increases their PDO. If you look at the stats, the Canucks usually surpass other teams high danger chances when playing, despite reduced shots.
Boston had higher SF and lower SA because they never took their foot off the gas. The Canucks have a different strategy, which seems to combine early aggressive play with locking down the game using their team defense and powerplay prowess.
This isn't to say the Canucks are sustainable or that 4 players will continue to shoot at 20%+ going forward, just that stat reading is hard. Additionally, its hard to compare 30 games of shooting percentage to a full season.
Are the Canucks playing above their heads? Probably, at least a bit, but some of the "normal" stats people look at to evaluate teams aren't as copy/paste for the Canucks as they were for past teams with high PDO because of team systems, though I'd absolutely expect them to regress, however part of that is other teams figuring out how to play against them better. Looking at the PDO and shooting chances just doesn't paint the whole picture.
edit: the Canucks are 7th in high danger chances for, and 27th, and 20th, in medium and low danger chances, despite being 24th in shots for, indicating its not just luck, the team is getting into the right spots
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jackjohnson
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All your posts are based on assumptions just like thinking i have personality disorder. Its ok, i have reported your post. Anymore assumptions about me you want to air out? Or how canucks will get injured and miss playoffs?
Someone is going to have a great time pushing them around in the playoffs.
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jackjohnson
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As long as Canucks make playoffs this year am happy. No Canucks fan is thinking they will go deep in playoffs or win a cup. We know the team still has weaknesses but making playoffs was the only goal for this year from both management and fans. If we go deep into playoffs, thats all gravy. I guess we have to wait and see what happens in playoffs once they make it there.
The thing about Vancouver is, sure their PDO is record level, but I actually think their goaltending and scoring talent is good enough to stay above the 1.00 cutline. Demko covers plenty of warts (vezina favorite imo), though I am curious if they can continue at such a torrid scoring pace. They haven't really had any signficant injury at this time either.
Quinn Hughes has massively impressed me this year and I didn't expect them to have 10+ goal scorers in Joshua and Lafferty 30 games in lol.
Quinn Hughes has massively impressed me this year and I didn't expect them to have 10+ goal scorers in Joshua and Lafferty 30 games in lol.
jackjohnson
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Hope not, NYR is a tough team but am not even thinking that far. Am just thinking about Canucks making the playoffs first. If they go to finals this year, that would be insanity which no one would have predicted and would be a pretty good story.
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Being relatively healthy helps but again you see some weaknesses when soucy goes down. Our D is still not that strong. Myers is still a liability in that defense. Hoping Soucy can come back soon and Alvin makes another trade to bolster that defense. Could come down to kuzmenko getting traded for more defensive help. Even a Tanev would help pur defense especially since Cole sometimes can have brainfarts.
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Yeah yeah, the Canucks are different. The big luck that applied to other teams doesn't apply to the Canucks somehow. I've heard this a million times before.
Hint: It always ends up the same way.
I do, just to counterbalance the fake ass fans who feel the need to broadcast that *everyone* believes the Canucks aren't actually that good.
Go cheer for another team, or at the very least stop speaking for everyone.
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I admitted the Canucks will regress, and that they're playing above their heads. My post was to disagree with SF vs SA being a good comparison method between the two teams because of their fundamentally different styles of play. It's tough to measure SF when the Canucks stop shooting after 40 minutes and it's tough to measure SA when the Canucks sacrifice a dozen shot opportunities in order to keep the puck away from the high danger zones.
Last year's Bruins were 16th in high danger chances by comparison, they were also 6th in medium danger chances, indicating much more luck than the Canucks have had so far this year.
The Canucks style of play absolutely does artificially inflate PDO, though it's likely still a fair bit above what it should be.
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They are a good team, never said they are bad. Could they win a cup, sure they could if they make playoffs. Not saying its impossible. In fact i wish they would win it.
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Brookbank
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Just tell me what Bostons PDO was last year. And what the rest of the leagues was.
I'm curious what people think is the actual effect of having their PDO drop another 1.5%?
Do people really think the Canucks will implode if they go from having the best offense and second best defense to only being top 5 in both?
Your precious PDO won’t save you from the Canucks.
Do people really think the Canucks will implode if they go from having the best offense and second best defense to only being top 5 in both?
Your precious PDO won’t save you from the Canucks.
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