Confirmed Trade: [VAN/PIT] Derrick Pouliot for Andrey Pedan and 2018 4th round pick

[sal00]

For this off-season Canucks have now amassed 4 former 1st round picks that did not pan out as expected (Gagner [6], Burmistrov [8], Del Zotto [20] , Pouliot [8]) , plus a former 1st rounder vet in Vanek.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

Well, for once the fan base was smarter than the GM. Basically everyone wanted Forsberg, or at the very least Trouba...instead Shero went off the board a bit for Pouliot, and he wound up being ****ing terrible.

...and if the Pens tried to sneak Pouliot through waivers, Shero would have claimed him without a shadow of a doubt, hence the trade for a middling pick. Eat dirt, Ray.

 

[uncleben]

Not that it matters now, Pittsburgh has 3 cups with Crosby and Malkin but outside of Dumo (who is a nice top 4D) they don't have much to show for that Staal trade. Forsberg would have been a slick pick.

Ignoring all the inbetween you get: Staal for Dumoulin, Gustavsson, Hagelin, Pedan, and 2018 4th

 

[Zirakzigil]

Wasn't unexpected that he was traded. Too bad he didn't work out for the Pens.

 

[RandV]

Man, remember when Pittsburgh had arguably the best future blue line in the NHL?

Pouliot, Dumolin, MAATTA, Harrington?

Yeah this happens all the time on here. A team gets a 'stacked' group of defensive prospects, and fans think they'll have a top blue line in the immediate/near future. As a general rule of thumb this never works out, chances are slim that the prospect group will be able to catch or surpass a team that has a good blueline already in place that is able to add a new regular every few seasons.

Anyways for the trade, I'd love to be proven wrong but not really happy with it considering Benning's history of giving up picks in this manner. Keep in mind that Pittsburgh likely would have waived Pouliot in a day or two, and with waiver order Canucks would have had 1st dibs to claim him.

 

[HIWATT]

Hey guys, new member here.
Hoping this place is a little more hospitable (ie: less PC) than CDC. After almost 15 years there, and constantly dealing with one over-zealous mod, it's time to look elsewhere to talk hockey.

I like this trade. Pens fans are super happy to see him go, which isn't always a good sign, but there is a connection with Greener and the Winterhawks. Travis has a rep for getting the best out of younger players so this could be a windfall for the Canucks. If it doesn't work out, well, it's not like you lost something that isn't replaceable. (even the pick)

On paper, this smells like a win. We'll see what happens n the ice.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Why did Vancounver even need Pouliot? Are any of Stecher, Del Zotto, or Hutton injured long-term?

 

[wej20]

Man, remember when Pittsburgh had arguably the best future blue line in the NHL?

Pouliot, Dumolin, MAATTA, Harrington?

and Despres. Interested to see how Philly's vaunted Dmen prospects turn out, given what happened to the Pens one. To be fair, if Despres hadn't suffered his injuries then you'd be looking at 3 top 4 dmen plus two NHL/AHL tweeners.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Yeah this happens all the time on here. A team gets a 'stacked' group of defensive prospects, and fans think they'll have a top blue line in the immediate/near future. As a general rule of thumb this never works out, chances are slim that the prospect group will be able to catch or surpass a team that has a good blueline already in place that is able to add a new regular every few seasons.

Anyways for the trade, I'd love to be proven wrong but not really happy with it considering Benning's history of giving up picks in this manner. Keep in mind that Pittsburgh likely would have waived Pouliot in a day or two, and with waiver order Canucks would have had 1st dibs to claim him.

Oh man we gave up a 4th rounder, I mean really your complaining about giving up a pick which will most likely amount to depth in the AHL at best? No we would not have had 1st dibs on him as you say, the Av's would have and given their need for defence they would have grabbed Pouliot. This post is just more proof that no matter what Benning does people will always complain.

 

[Smeagoal]

Why did Vancounver even need Pouliot? Are any of Stecher, Del Zotto, or Hutton injured long-term?

Nope, none of them are injured that I know of, I don't know if Benning is loading up on D incase one gets injured long term or trying to see if a change of scenery will spark Pouliot, or just Benning being Benning.

 

[HIWATT]

Benning's looking for guys that are forward thinking (pun intended) on the back end.

We have Tanev and Edler and Gudbranson back there who are steady stay at home guys. My guess is that he wants each pair to have 1 guy that can hold his own zone, and 1 that can go go go.

With Stecher, Del Zotto, and now Pouliot, we now have that. Whether these specific guys work out or not, we'll see....

 

[WTFMAN99]

Ignoring all the inbetween you get: Staal for Dumoulin, Gustavsson, Hagelin, Pedan, and 2018 4th

Which is "okay" lol Pittsburgh got their cups though so all is forgiven

 

[Cunuck]

He's likely #7 or 8 on the depth chart at this point. I'd probably expect something like this on opening night:

Edler-Stecher
Hutton-Tanev
Del Zotto-Gudbranson
Biega
Pouliot

Call ups: Chatfield, Holm, Subban, McEneny

 

[bossram]

Classic M.O. trade for Benning.

I don't mind it though. I was always a fan of Pouliot, and I don't think PIT gave him a real shot. I just don't see where he'll end up playing in VAN though; our top-six is set.

 

[RandV]

Oh man we gave up a 4th rounder, I mean really your complaining about giving up a pick which will most likely amount to depth in the AHL at best? No we would not have had 1st dibs on him as you say, the Av's would have and given their need for defence they would have grabbed Pouliot. This post is just more proof that no matter what Benning does people will always complain.

I could be wrong on how waivers work but the Avs have already claimed a dman so we should have top priority now. And it's not the individual trade of a late problem it's the mass quantity of these picks that Benning has given out in his 3+ years running the team, I believe the count is Benning traded more draft picks in his first two years than Gillis did in his 6th.

If this was Benning's 1st year running the team I'd still question the waiver angle but wouldn't be bothered by the draft pick. But after a good deadline+offseason this is just another move that falls into his 'death by a million paper cuts' folder that had gotten pretty full from his first 3 years here.

And again I'll be plenty happy if Pouliot turns out well for us, it's just Benning doesn't have a good track record that inspires trust here.

 

[Kingsfan1]

Well my friend was right that Pouliot was getting moved I had posted it on the Kings board but I was told we were giving up Dowd for him who I thought would have been more intriguing to the Pens. Oh well I still think Pouliot will be a serviceable dman

 

[uncleben]

I could be wrong on how waivers work but the Avs have already claimed a dman so we should have top priority now.

Waiver order does not change after a claim

 

[Dying Alive]

Travis Green coached Pouliot with the winter hawks did he not? Could be a decent gamble as a 7th d man

So did Mike Johnston. He didn't look any better under him than he did under Sullivan.

I remember when Pens fans wouldn't include Pouliot in the Kessel deal deeming him untouchable, funny enough looks like Kapanen was the better player to obtain after all.

We'll survive. Change one thing about that deal and the Pens may not have won back to back Cups, I don't think you'll find anyone who would want a do-over.

Classic M.O. trade for Benning.

I don't mind it though. I was always a fan of Pouliot, and I don't think PIT gave him a real shot. I just don't see where he'll end up playing in VAN though; our top-six is set.

They definitely did. No prospect is going to get handed ice time on a Cup champ/contender but to say that he never got a real shot is not even close to correct, he had plenty. He couldn't or wouldn't take advantage of them.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I could be wrong on how waivers work but the Avs have already claimed a dman so we should have top priority now. And it's not the individual trade of a late problem it's the mass quantity of these picks that Benning has given out in his 3+ years running the team, I believe the count is Benning traded more draft picks in his first two years than Gillis did in his 6th.

If this was Benning's 1st year running the team I'd still question the waiver angle but wouldn't be bothered by the draft pick. But after a good deadline+offseason this is just another move that falls into his 'death by a million paper cuts' folder that had gotten pretty full from his first 3 years here.

And again I'll be plenty happy if Pouliot turns out well for us, it's just Benning doesn't have a good track record that inspires trust here.

Gillis left us this mess so maybe don't compare the two?

Once again he traded a 4th rounder, you act like it was a 1st or 2nd.

As the poster above me stated, waiver order does not change, so yah the Av's would have picked him.

In his first two years, yah he gave a away too many picks no argument here, but because of that we must dump on any trade he makes involving picks?

 

[SomeDude]

Nope, none of them are injured that I know of, I don't know if Benning is loading up on D incase one gets injured long term or trying to see if a change of scenery will spark Pouliot, or just Benning being Benning.

A forest first couldn't spark Pouliot.

He doesn't strike me as a change of scenery guy, he strikes me as a never going to make it guy. Can't blame the Canucks for giving it a go for the price, but do not get your hopes up.

I don't know if I'll ever get over how badly Shero mangled that pick, especially being at that draft in Pittsburgh.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Nope, none of them are injured that I know of, I don't know if Benning is loading up on D incase one gets injured long term or trying to see if a change of scenery will spark Pouliot, or just Benning being Benning.

That's part of the problem with Pouliot, though, and why I'm not sure why Vancouver did this. It was a vicious cycle in Pittsburgh where he wasn't getting ice time, so he kept looking rusty. But then when he did get a chance, he looked rusty so he didn't get much ice time.

Unless Vancouver is actually going to play him regularly, I can't see him shake out of his funk. He's already a questionable player at the best of times. Sitting in the press box for 60+ games per season is just going to make that worse.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

For this off-season Canucks have now amassed 4 former 1st round picks that did not pan out as expected (Gagner [6], Burmistrov [8], Del Zotto [20] , Pouliot [8]) , plus a former 1st rounder vet in Vanek.

I'd say Del Zotto panned out. 20th overall picks often don't play a game in the NHL, whereas he has had a fairly successful career so far.
Gagner also. 50 points for 6th overall is nothing to scoff at.

 

[Pestilence]

Man, remember when Pittsburgh had arguably the best future blue line in the NHL?

Pouliot, Dumolin, MAATTA, Harrington?

They still have two of the four and two consecutive Stanley Cups with them.

What a bad top 10 pick. Should have traded him a few years ago for more of a return.

Well, with a 20/20 hindsight, of course...

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Yeah this happens all the time on here. A team gets a 'stacked' group of defensive prospects, and fans think they'll have a top blue line in the immediate/near future. As a general rule of thumb this never works out, chances are slim that the prospect group will be able to catch or surpass a team that has a good blueline already in place that is able to add a new regular every few seasons.

Anyways for the trade, I'd love to be proven wrong but not really happy with it considering Benning's history of giving up picks in this manner. Keep in mind that Pittsburgh likely would have waived Pouliot in a day or two, and with waiver order Canucks would have had 1st dibs to claim him.

They might not have waived him. They likely would have just received the next best offer, say a 5th round pick instead.

 

[Siludin]

The Canucks did very well in this trade. Despite everyone's best hopes for Pedan, most Canucks fans know deep down that his career ended when he got KO'd in 2015/2016. Part of his defensive prowess came when he was at his meanest, and he projected very well for his style but he just doesn't carry the same scary ooga-booga mystique since then, so he isn't any better at being a deterrent than Gudbranson.

Looks like Pouliot will be given an extended opportunity in Vancouver. Pouliot is the same age now as Dumoulin was when he made the Penguins. That said, the 4th-round pick the Canucks coughed up will likely become a superstar.