Confirmed Trade: [VAN/CGY] Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Hunter Brzustewicz, Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond. 2024 4th

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I meant assets, dunno if Hoglander is still considered a prospect..

1. Hoglander
2. Willander
3. Lekky
4. Podkolzin
5. Bains
6. Bruz/Pettersson/Silovs

This list is ridiculously off.

I don't know why you're trying to "win" this trade so hard. Down playing Kuzmenko, and Bruz, etc.

He's a very good prospect with a ton of potential. Absolutely above Bains.

He seems goofy as f***

This is accurate. Best attitude around.
 
Hoglander isn't a prospect.

Multiple Canucks fans compared him to Ohlund. I have Brzustewicz way ahead of everyone except Lekkerimaki and Willander. His ceiling is probably higher than even those guys, just a lower floor.

I agree with this. Brzust has a lot of potential. Podkolzin *may* turn into a third liner, but last I checked his defensive game wasn't even there for that. Not offensively capable enough for top 6, not defensively capable for bottom 6. He's not terrible. But you want to excel at one of those two things to have an impact in the NHL. Bruzst's potential far exceeds Podz.

EDIT: I don't know about the Ohlund comparison at all.
 
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Overall this is a good trade for both teams. Maybe a bit much from Canucks side but not by that muchwhen looking into what the teams hopes will be a run this. It's not often these chances come. Brzustewicz is a nice piece and nice prospect, I'm glad that he was the player moved over Podz, Hogz.. I have seen a bit of Bruz game, he will be a nice 4D for the Flames ala Tyson Barrie. Great offensively lacking on the D side.
 
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Only Gaudreau and Tkachuk are ex Flames though. Thats like 50% success.

I think age has more to do with it. At 29, giving 7-8 years to amy player is just scary
True, age has a lot to do with it. And motivation. You give a guy big money for 8 years starting when he's nearly 30, setting him up for life, unless he is a deeply motivated person he's not going balls to the wall for all 8 years of that contract.
 
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Ugh, read the thread man. They are comparing EP2 to Ohlund. It's ridiculous.
I said he reminds me of Ohlund in the way he plays and his physical skillet, not that he will reach the same level.
He's big, fast, Physical and not an offence first type of D, those are traits that Ohlund had.

As for your take on Brew you literally had him and EP in the same tier from the is Lindholm tanking his value thread.

The minute he became a flame you ranked him higher I don't know why you pretend otherwise.
 
I said he reminds me of Ohlund in the way he plays and his physical skillet, not that he will reach the same level.
He's big, fast, Physical and not an offence first type of D, those are traits that Ohlund had.

As for your take on Brew you literally had him and EP in the same tier from the is Lindholm tanking his value thread.

The minute he became a flame you ranked him higher I don't know why you pretend otherwise.
No I didn't. I'd say your reading comprehension skills are lacking. I had Lekkerimaki, Willander, Bru, Podkolzin and EP2 in that order. I asked for Bru, EP2 and a 1st along with a cap dump in a trade for Lindholm (because D was a position of need in our prospect pool, we have a lot of wingers). We essentially got the value I asked for, just got a 3rd or 4th and a lotto ticket prospect instead.
 
I agree with this. Brzust has a lot of potential. Podkolzin *may* turn into a third liner, but last I checked his defensive game wasn't even there for that. Not offensively capable enough for top 6, not defensively capable for bottom 6. He's not terrible. But you want to excel at one of those two things to have an impact in the NHL. Bruzst's potential far exceeds Podz.

EDIT: I don't know about the Ohlund comparison at all.
No offense meant but you sound like a stat watcher opposed to actually watching prospects l know that now as nuck fans we can't say anything negative about Brew without looking bias but there is a reason he fell to the 3rd round.
He's basically a 2022 draft pick, his defence is not a strength and most actual scouts feel the way he gets points might not translate, the CHL is littered with prospects whose game didn't translate.

Podkolzin at 18 was defensively good enough to play in the NHL and had no issues in the KHLit was always his offensive game like almost all power forwards that was gonna need time. This is his first real extended time in the top 6 and proper development. Comparing a forward and a D is odd, especially from different leagues.
 
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Willander, Lekkerimaki, Silovs, EP2, Podkolzin, Brzustewicz, Raty, Bains

Brzustewicz was around 6th-8th in terms of how most viewed him on the prospect pipeline.
 
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All right. Let's bet on that. I saw his EP page. Big guy, able to move the puck. In couple of years he will be worth more than Lindholm is now.

If you saw his EP page, you'd see that he has 11 points in 86 games this year in his D+3. That's a regression from his D+2 where he had 13 points in 50gp.

If he can become a blue chip prospect or star player, good for him, but the Canucks were probably not going to sign him.
 
Any chance Jurmo becomes a star? Heard he is a blue-chipper but don't know his game that well.
Very long shot to even play. He does skate well and has size, but no hockey IQ apparently. You have to get him in north america playing in the AHL for a year. Then you'll know for sure. Brzustewicz is the one who has star potential. Likely a 2nd pairing guy, but he has big upside.
 
Any chance Jurmo becomes a star? Heard he is a blue-chipper but don't know his game that well.
Jurmo's problem is between the ears which hasn't really gotten any better and because of that, I'd label him as project instead of a prospect. It's enticing since he has so many tools but his lack of progression in a relatively weak league made the Canucks lose confidence to the point where he rarely gets any mention at all.

Still, we've seen players break out all of a sudden after a change of teams so who knows.
 
Willander, Lekkerimaki, Silovs, EP2, Podkolzin, Brzustewicz, Raty, Bains

Brzustewicz was around 6th-8th in terms of how most viewed him on the prospect pipeline.
I had him 5th-8th, lumped in with Silovs, Raty, and Bains. 2 good prospects that already have some nhl games under their belts, and a guy that has made significant strides for the 4th year in a row, to where he now leads an AHL team in scoring while playing a 2-way game and being an allstar.

Brzustewicz has questionable tools and 2-way game, while being completely untested in the pros, and not good enough to be selected for the recent WJC's. It's easy to see why he didn't really rank high among VAN's top prospects, and falls into that 2nd tier. Doesn't mean he's a bad prospect, just that he has a lot to prove, and needs a lot of development just to get to the level of the other 3 in the 5-8 I mentioned earlier.

It's funny that he was considered a good but flawed prospect as a Canuck, then the next day he's suddenly a high end blue chipper, just because a few Calgary homer's say so.
 
No I didn't. I'd say your reading comprehension skills are lacking. I had Lekkerimaki, Willander, Bru, Podkolzin and EP2 in that order. I asked for Bru, EP2 and a 1st along with a cap dump in a trade for Lindholm (because D was a position of need in our prospect pool, we have a lot of wingers). We essentially got the value I asked for, just got a 3rd or 4th and a lotto ticket prospect instead.
Actually you said both EP and Brew, no distinction was made even tho you now claim he's not good was the worst swedish forward etc, so if that's how you felt before the trade and after the WJC why would you not mention it or better yet why would you want someone you value that lowly? It makes no sense

You then said one of Willander or Lekkerimaki, both EP and Brew, a 1st, a 2nd 3rd and then it's close. Now granted that was for both Tanev and Lindholm.

But we can extrapolate that the best pieces were for Lindholm and the Tanev cost has been out there as a 2nd and a prospect so for Lindholm, you expected somewhere around a 1st, Lekkerimakki, Brew or EP and a 3rd and with Tanev a 2nd and Brew or EP.
There was not once where you said one is better than the other you literally ranked them together and the other two together, that's all I'm trying to say.

My reading comprehension is quite good, if you can show me a post pre- trade, or before the WJC where you felt EP was shit and Brew was a stud and I missed it then post it, or at least explain why you would want someone who you consider as basically trash in a trade? Why no Jurmo, or truscett, or woo etc.

And finally I said if you want a 1st for Lindholm, I suggested Brew (with EP, Podz, Raty, Willander and Lekkerimaki off the table if 1st is involved) so Brew, , a 1st and a 3rd , you felt that was easily beaten and on top of that one of Willander or Lekkerimaki had to be in as well.
 
Alright, I was misinformed. He's a bit raw still. Though I'd like to imagine Calgary wanted him for some reason. They must have plans for him.
My guess is the plan is to try to get him in the AHL working with an excellent system for developing defensemen. While it's unlikely that he ever becomes anything there is some ability there. The long shot is whether his decision making can improve and can he unlock the skill set to use it well in a game.

Of course the same critiques were there about Kylington and Giordano. They both made the jump.

I had him 5th-8th, lumped in with Silovs, Raty, and Bains. 2 good prospects that already have some nhl games under their belts, and a guy that has made significant strides for the 4th year in a row, to where he now leads an AHL team in scoring while playing a 2-way game and being an allstar.

Brzustewicz has questionable tools and 2-way game, while being completely untested in the pros, and not good enough to be selected for the recent WJC's. It's easy to see why he didn't really rank high among VAN's top prospects, and falls into that 2nd tier. Doesn't mean he's a bad prospect, just that he has a lot to prove, and needs a lot of development just to get to the level of the other 3 in the 5-8 I mentioned earlier.

It's funny that he was considered a good but flawed prospect as a Canuck, then the next day he's suddenly a high end blue chipper, just because a few Calgary homer's say so.
This is a dumb argument. How many non college/NDTP does the US EVER take for the WJHC? The answer is none.
 
Alright, I was misinformed. He's a bit raw still. Though I'd like to imagine Calgary wanted him for some reason. They must have plans for him.

The reason is the Flames only had 43/50 assigned contract slots and could afford to take a flyer on a project player who Vancouver likely wasn't going to sign.

Vancouver had until June 1st to sign him or lose his rights forever, and they didn't sign him for 3 years and when they could have brought him over last season they instead, didn't speak to his agent at all.

I'd be extremely surprised if he ever made the NHL, to be honest I'd be somewhat surprised if the Flames even signed him before June 1st.
 
Actually you said both EP and Brew, no distinction was made even tho you now claim he's not good was the worst swedish forward etc, so if that's how you felt before the trade and after the WJC why would you not mention it or better yet why would you want someone you value that lowly? It makes no sense

You then said one of Willander or Lekkerimaki, both EP and Brew, a 1st, a 2nd 3rd and then it's close. Now granted that was for both Tanev and Lindholm.

But we can extrapolate that the best pieces were for Lindholm and the Tanev cost has been out there as a 2nd and a prospect so for Lindholm, you expected somewhere around a 1st, Lekkerimakki, Brew or EP and a 3rd and with Tanev a 2nd and Brew or EP.
There was not once where you said one is better than the other you literally ranked them together and the other two together, that's all I'm trying to say.

My reading comprehension is quite good, if you can show me a post pre- trade, or before the WJC where you felt EP was shit and Brew was a stud and I missed it then post it, or at least explain why you would want someone who you consider as basically trash in a trade? Why no Jurmo, or truscett, or woo etc.

And finally I said if you want a 1st for Lindholm, I suggested Brew (with EP, Podz, Raty, Willander and Lekkerimaki off the table if 1st is involved) so Brew, , a 1st and a 3rd , you felt that was easily beaten and on top of that one of Willander or Lekkerimaki had to be in as well.
Again, reading comprehension. Go back and read the thread. I'm sure multiple Canuck fans can confirm I said I wanted Brzustewicz many times before the trade happened. I compared him to Tanev if that helps jog your memory. I said his defensive game is underrated and his offensive game won't fully translate. I predicted a 40 point NHL defenseman with 2nd pairing defensive game.

On the bolded: I said ALMOST that for Tanev and Lindholm. Again, your reading comprehension is off. I said EITHER Willander, 1st, 2nd, 3rd OR Lekkerimaki 1st, 2nd, 3rd OR Bru, EP, 1st, 2nd, 3rd. This doesn't mean I equate Bru and EP as the same. It means I think the value difference between Wallinder or Lekkerimaki and Bru is EP2.

Over and over, (there are 5 posts like this you can find if you read) I said my order was Lekkerimaki, Willander, Bru, Podkolzin and THEN EP2. I also said I wasn't interested in Podkolzin because we have 6 middle 6 young wingers already.
 
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I had Brzustewicz as our 2nd best prospect after Willander and ahead of Lekkerimaki and Raty. Lekk was awful last year and had a big resurgence so probably took back the 2 spot
 
This is a dumb argument. How many non college/NDTP does the US EVER take for the WJHC? The answer is none.
Yeah, it was clearly just a conspiracy against Brzustewicz. Why would team USA take what it thought was the best players available, when they could take lesser players instead? How dumb of me.
 
There was rumours Brzustewicz wasn’t even going to sign with the Canucks.

So him being the prospect traded is best case scenario. No complaints from me.
 
Nice to see Kuzmenko get back to scoring with the Flames right away.
While he did not work at all under Tocchet, I think most Canuck fans really liked Kuzmenko's giddy joy and flair in the offensive zone.

Lindholm did what the Nucks needed in his first game:
1. Play defensively responsible
2. Win some faceoffs
3. Stand in front on the PP and tip pucks in
 
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