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Confirmed Trade: [VAN/CGY] Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Hunter Brzustewicz, Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond. 2024 4th

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McJedi said:
When as an 18 year old.. in a men’s league that’s the second best one in the world, you start the season as a fringe roster player and perform so well you elevate yourself from the 7 D playing 7 minutes a game to the 3D playing 19. And you’re still just 18. And you're on the number 1 team in your conference... you’re having a great growth season and you’re a core player being developed on another clubs dime.

im 100% certain the Avs are thrilled with what’s happening with Gulyayev.

and yes… world class speed. Unreal acceleration. And speed never has an off day. That’s certainly a skill that translates to the NHL. His coach clearly trusts him so he’s doing many other hockey things right too. He’s got a nice +/- rating as well.

its early but it looks like the Avs crushed the first round of the 2023 draft. It was thought to be an excellent draft going in and still appears that way today. There were some other guys taken late in round 1 also thriving post draft. Like Toronto, San Jose and a few other picks in that area of the draft.

if Gulyayev continues to get this amount of ice time and attention from his KHL club, he’s a guy the Avs bring over in 2.5 years and drop directly into their top 4 at age 21.

this is exactly what a A prospect is doing / how he develops in his post draft season.
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I just don't see having half a good season post-draft as the sort of thing that just immediately rockets a guy from a "B Prospect" to suddenly an "A Prospect".

Every reason to be thrilled with the develop and the way the post-draft season has gone...but just like for Brzustewicz, a really strong start to D+1 season doesn't just completely overwrite everything else. Not when like you said, the trajectory is still optimistically leading toward the NHL at Age 21. Years from now. Prospect development is rarely completely linear. And there's still a lot of time and a lot of things to prove, including those critical transition points, before a prospect tends to leap to an entirely different category. It usually takes longer than that, and some sustained progress that has shown a huge leap forward from what they were drafted as.
 
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Usually picks have less buying power than HF thinks. But this seems to be the other way around.

Lindholm was one of the top pending UFAs. don't think there will be too many players available at the TDL better than him. If he only landed a late 1st, then there might not be too many big picks or prospects changing hands this year.
 
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From the games i've seen Vancouver play it looks like a fair deal for both sides.

Vancouvers second line wasn't that great this season. Pettersson was good but Kuzmenko and Mikheyev played with little to no confidence, probably because Vancouver has changed their system from wild west hockey to a two-way one. I hope Vancouver try out Pettersson & Lindholm together for a while.
 
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banks said:
Usually picks have less buying power than HF thinks. But this seems to be the other way around.

Lindholm was one of the top pending UFAs. don't think there will be too many players available at the TDL better than him. If he only landed a late 1st, then there might not be too many big picks or prospects changing hands this year.
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The 1st + a good prospect. The prospect some debate B some debate A with the current season he is having.

Kuzmenko is sort of a cap dump but this guy did score 39 goals. Might be something there his cap hit is not outragously high.

It was a Solis haul for a guy Vancouver may not be able to sign.
 
Compared to Horvat trade
Beauvillier < Kuzmenko better player but if we comparing cap dump for cap dump then equal
Raty ~ Brzutewicz
Mid 1st >= Very Late 1st, Jarmo + 4th (albeit I would still give the edge to the mid 1st)

Something like this?
 
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Massive overpay by Vancouver especially considering Lindholm has been struggling this year and they're not likely to re-sign him. It's a cup or bust type of trade, and I don't think they're winning the cup. Also risky trading Brz too because If he develops into a stud, and he's projecting very well, he's going to be biting the Cancucks in the ass for years and years
 
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Danarqhy said:
Massive overpay by Vancouver especially considering Lindholm has been struggling this year and they're not likely to re-sign him. It's a cup or bust type of trade, and I don't think they're winning the cup. Also risky trading Brz too because If he develops into a stud, and he's projecting very well, he's going to be biting the Cancucks in the ass for years and years
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Feels to me like the best they could do without touching any of their non-touchable prospects. If Lindholm doesn't payoff and walks they are out a late first and a good but not great prospect, i think it's a worthy gamble.
 
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For a team that's going on all in. Ok deal.

Fair on both sides. Lindholm makes Vancouver much better. Not sure Flames could of found a team willing to give more without an extension.

No one knows if it's an over-the-top move till hindsight, and teams are rarely just one player away till hindsight says they were. All's this says right now is that Vancouver is all in this year.
 
wintersej said:
Lots of pages so forgive me if it’s been addressed, but with Hronek and EP due for new contracts is this probably a rental?
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They're projected to have 36m in cap-space available with only 11 roster players under contract
They have 4 UFA defensemen to replace
Expecting at least 10m for Pettersson,
It's unlikely they view him as anything but a rental
 
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M88K said:
They're projected to have 36m in cap-space available with only 11 roster players under contract
They have 4 UFA defensemen to replace
Expecting 10m for Pettersson,
It's unlikely they view him as anything but a rental
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I really don't see the bolded happening. Nylander got 11,5 and Pettersson is looking at back-to-back 100p seasons. If he signs an Eichel deal i'm pretty sure that the nucks fans will destroy the servers.
 
Snuggs said:
For a team that's going on all in. Ok deal.

Fair on both sides. Lindholm makes Vancouver much better. Not sure Flames could of found a team willing to give more without an extension.

No one knows if it's an over-the-top move till hindsight, and teams are rarely just one player away till hindsight says they were. All's this says right now is that Vancouver is all in this year.
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I don’t believe that hindsight BS.

There’s gotta be some hockey experts out there that know I’m not saying I’m one of them, because I’m not but to throw the hindsight excuse out there is lazy
 
wintersej said:
Lots of pages so forgive me if it’s been addressed, but with Hronek and EP due for new contracts is this probably a rental?
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Feel like it has to be, they’re both due for pretty big raises and even though guys like Myers and Zadorov are coming off the books, the bad years of the OEL buyout will be starting

I think Lindholm might have played himself into a 7x7 type of deal though with how he’s performed over the past 1.5 seasons so maybe they can make it work
 
Hierso said:
I really don't see the bolded happening. Nylander got 11,5 and Pettersson is looking at back-to-back 100p seasons. If he signs an Eichel deal i'm pretty sure that the nucks fans will destroy the servers.
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He will definitely get more, I just don't know how much more, I would expect around 12-13 but In the grand scheme of things 2-3m isn't that much. the point wasn't to be 100% accurate, more to say signing 7 additional players to fill out the roster, while also having to extend Hronek with only ~24m, isn't going to allow money for a Lindholm extension
 
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crackdown44 said:
I think Lindholm might have played himself into a 7x7 type of deal though with how he’s performed over the past 1.5 seasons so maybe they can make it work
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Man if Lindhom gets a 7 year deal that's another (former) flames schlub in the league with a huge long contract that probably won't pan out. The only one that's worked out (and will continue to work out) is Tkachuk, the rest like johnny hockey, hubderdeau, kadri have all been awful lmao. These 7-8 year deals are garbage especially for non elite players. You're probably right though. And the scary thing is Flames supposedly offered him 9 mil a year for 8 years, thankfully he priced himself out of that one :laugh:
 
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banks said:
Usually picks have less buying power than HF thinks. But this seems to be the other way around.

Lindholm was one of the top pending UFAs. don't think there will be too many players available at the TDL better than him. If he only landed a late 1st, then there might not be too many big picks or prospects changing hands this year.
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This is part of Rutherford’s “magic”. He pays the price so early it’s hard to say it’ll have any effect on the trade deadline prices. It’ll likely be viewed as an outlier as all the pressures of the deadline weren’t part of it.
 
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crackdown44 said:
Feel like it has to be, they’re both due for pretty big raises and even though guys like Myers and Zadorov are coming off the books, the bad years of the OEL buyout will be starting

I think Lindholm might have played himself into a 7x7 type of deal though with how he’s performed over the past 1.5 seasons so maybe they can make it work
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Kind of a catch 22. If he performs well with the better top 6 players in Vancouver, he aint settling for 7x7. If he plays poorly, well, you obviously aren't rooting for that.
 
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