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Confirmed Trade: [VAN/CGY] Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Hunter Brzustewicz, Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond. 2024 4th

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BKarchitect said:
What about Kuzmenko's game strikes you as the type of playoff-performer or rugged, nuts-to-the-wall two-way talent that GM's WILL overpay for come the TDL?

Unless a team is deep, deep in a top six injury crisis - he doesn't fit the mold of "guy I'm willing to overpay for even if I am a dinosaur GM".

Besides, I genuinely think the Flames see him as a guy they want to keep. I sitll think they are trying to thread the needle between "oh crap we signed all these vets" and "we need a future youth movement".
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You mis-read what I said.

What I said was "A hot month by a once-well regarded forward will increase his market value in the eyes of some teams".
 
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Duodenum said:
This is a solid trade for Calgary.

Lindholm is struggling but they still parlayed him into a 1st, a top prospect, and a bounceback candidate.

Canucks shore up their main weakness and are a contender.

Calgary fans: does Lindholm matchup against Mcdavid/Draisaitl/MacKinnon well?
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He doesn’t need to match up against them.
We have Miller and Petey ahead of him.
Miller plays the tough minutes.
 
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BKarchitect said:
It's certainly not a bad deal for Calgary. There is probably a bit of overreaction from fans with takes on the extreme edge of either side.

- Kuzmenko isn't talentless. He will probably score some goals for Calgary. But the idea that he's just having a down year is extremely flawed. He rode an absolutely insane shooting % and PDO on a very bad team last year to some gaudy counting stats. He's not suddenly going to be flip-able for a 1st even if he does get hot for the Flames over the next month. He can be a contributer but is he going to move any needle or asset package in the long-run?

- Hunter is not a "throw-in". He and the 1st are the main attractions here. His OHL stats are great. He's certainly increased his stock from 3rd round value last year. He's also heavily flawed when it comes to projecting a "high-end" NHL player down the road.

- The 1st...to me, even if #30 or #31 - that's still the main piece. What Calgary does with it will matter but it was important to get that.

- Lindholm is probably not ever going to be 40-goal Lindholm again but there is track record here, there is elite level defensive play here, there is positional premium here...so to take an extremely lucky Kuz year (I will eat my hat is his 22-23 season isn't a ridiculous outlier in his entire career) and then say Lindholm is a 9 goal center is absurd. He offers the Canucks an elite 2C who let's them keep their mega-line of EP and JTM together while stiching together a bunch of all-weather, all-zone 2nd line possibilities.
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I don't know about Kuzmenko as an asset to flip this year, but for Calgary he's a good bounce-back candidate to provide some offense.

Part of his success last season was finding real chemistry with Pettersson. I'd say despite the 39 goals he's not as much of a shooter as he needs to be (which is partly why his shooting% was high) he's more of a playmaking winger.

Amazing vision, great dangles, plays below the circles, can play with other talented players, and does have a good shot when he uses it. No reason he can't be atleast a 20g/50p guy next season.
 
Not having to Watch Kuzmenko the rest of the year and next year is worth the 1st in itself. He was so poor in the Tocchet system it was painful just to play him in the lineup.

Canucks finally got their RHS Center who can take big draws and a 200ft game. Lindholm fits the team better than Horvat due to shot handness and defensive ability.
 
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B prospect, Bust, late first, cap dump. There seriously were no better offers? Especially from a rival? Lord.
 
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Sergei Shirokov said:
I don't know about Kuzmenko as an asset to flip this year, but for Calgary he's a good bounce-back candidate to provide some offense.

Part of his success last season was finding real chemistry with Pettersson. I'd say despite the 39 goals he's not as much of a shooter as he needs to be (which is partly why his shooting% was high) he's more of a playmaking winger.

Amazing vision, great dangles, plays below the circles, can play with other talented players, and does have a good shot when he uses it. No reason he can't be atleast a 20g/50p guy next season.
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Yeah...I mean, again I'm not saying he was a pure cap dump in terms of him having net zero or negative value (although let's be fair - he was a cap dump as far as Allvin and Tocchet were concerned).

But I do very much believe there is a reason on a great team this year, he's has no place. You can certainly chalk that up in large measure to Tocchet and the lines he likes but I just can't get it out of my head....Kuzmenko scoring 39 goals in a prime-time slot next to a superstar center on a bad team versus Kuzmenko with basically no role on a great team with that same superstar center still being a superstar center.
 
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Think this is a home run for Calgary, personally.

Lindholm's had a rough year, and so has Kuzemenko, but with Kuzemenko, they get another "kick at the can" in terms of extracting value. Is he going to score 39 goals next year? highly doubtful... but he certainly could rebound to a 25+ guy... which generally costs you $5m+ these days anyways.

They get the 1st that would have been part of anyone's package. I'm not sure if Joni Jurmo has much upside, but this Hunter Brzustewicz guy seems to have had a very encouraging jump in production since being drafted in the 3rd round; and does seem to possess NHL size. I think if you are "valuing" him today, you're probably in the early 2nd round.

If you had to knock Calgary's performance on here, I think it's that this is an obvious rebuilding move, and their contractual situation may not be all that conducive to rebuilding, given that they have Huberedau (30), Kadri (33), Coleman (32) and Weegar (30) all on very long term deals.
 
seanlinden said:
Think this is a home run for Calgary, personally.

Lindholm's had a rough year, and so has Kuzemenko, but with Kuzemenko, they get another "kick at the can" in terms of extracting value. Is he going to score 39 goals next year? highly doubtful... but he certainly could rebound to a 25+ guy... which generally costs you $5m+ these days anyways.

They get the 1st that would have been part of anyone's package. I'm not sure if Joni Jurmo has much upside, but this Hunter Brzustewicz guy seems to have had a very encouraging jump in production since being drafted in the 3rd round; and does seem to possess NHL size. I think if you are "valuing" him today, you're probably in the early 2nd round.

If you had to knock Calgary's performance on here, I think it's that this is an obvious rebuilding move, and their contractual situation may not be all that conducive to rebuilding, given that they have Huberedau (30), Kadri (33), Coleman (32) and Weegar (30) all on very long term deals.
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It's def not a homerun. It's more like a few singles.

As a Canucks fan. I don't care about anything going to Calgary other than Brz. He has upside but not an organizational need. Kuz you might be able to extract value you from if he somehow could play well with Huberdeau or Kadri or something. Def possible.
 
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