Confirmed Trade: [UTA/TBL] Mikhail Sergachev for Conor Geekie, J.J. Moser, 2025 2nd, 2024 7th

[bossram]

Is it really "bailing out" if the other team gets a very good player out of it? Let's not pretend that Utah is just taking dead salary here, they took a player from TB that they feel can contribute to them now, and are giving up a fair package of assets to do so.

They got a good-but-not-elite player. Sergachev is a great #3. He struggles when the brunt of the toughs and defensive responsibility are thrust on him. Needs the infrastructure around him to be maximally successful. I don't think any competitive team should plan for him to be their 1D.

At 5v5, I don't think Moser is much of a downgrade. But he is crucially (for TB) a lot cheaper, and they also get some other assets they can use.

I think Utah is better on the ice in this transaction, but they paid a premium to do it. I think the Marino deal was much more shrewd.

 

[TheNumber4]

This is an overpay for an overpaid #3 D-man.

 

[Rschmitz]

Sergachev is extremely talented
Sergachev is mobile/fast
Sergachev is big
Sergachev is smart

Problem is Sergachev is careless. I don't want to call him lazy because usually he screws up doing something extra that he doesn't have to, and I don't wanna call him dumb because he sees things on the ice and makes 200IQ plays.

His lackadaisical play makes things so much harder for himself and will frustrate the hell out of you. If he'd mature there is very little doubt in my eyes that he's a #1.

 

[DFC]

Is it really "bailing out" if the other team gets a very good player out of it? Let's not pretend that Utah is just taking dead salary here, they took a player from TB that they feel can contribute to them now, and are giving up a fair package of assets to do so.

As much as Sergachev didn't fit in TB because of his skillset and the available roles (3LD, basically), he's a very good player with a lot of value. So yeah, to further your point, it's not like Utah was the only team willing to take sergachev. In that scenario, I understand holding us over a barrel. But the reality is he's a 26 year old Dman who can score 50+ points in the right situation. If your team doesn't want it, another one will.

They got a good-but-not-elite player. Sergachev is a great #3. He struggles when the brunt of the toughs and defensive responsibility are thrust on him. Needs the infrastructure around him to be maximally successful. I don't think any competitive team should plan for him to be their 1D.

At 5v5, I don't think Moser is much of a downgrade. But he is crucially (for TB) a lot cheaper, and they also get some other assets they can use.

I think Utah is better on the ice in this transaction, but they paid a premium to do it. I think the Marino deal was much more shrewd.

Pretty much this, yeah. I would only add that Sergachev has legit offensive skills. But they were gonna go to waste for a few more years in TB, behind Hedman. Can't pay 8.5 for a guy who isn't your best offensive or defensive option on his side of the ice.

 

[bossram]

Pretty much this, yeah. I would only add that Sergachev has legit offensive skills. But they were gonna go to waste for a few more years in TB, behind Hedman. Can't pay 8.5 for a guy who isn't your best offensive or defensive option on his side of the ice.

Yeah, you're not getting anywhere near $8.5M of value if he's not on your 1PP or primary offensive defenseman. Didn't make sense for TB.

I guess he'll take over that role from Durzi.

 

[DFC]

Not sure what's happening in Utah, but from a TB fan's perspective:

Moser > Sergachev

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Not sure what's happening in Utah, but from a TB fan's perspective:

Moser > Sergachev

Sergachev was said to be better than he was, so I can see that.

Tampa is also a better team than Utah(Arizona). Sergachev seems like an OK number 4 from the limit viewings I've seen of him in Utah.

 

[rt]

Not sure what's happening in Utah, but from a TB fan's perspective:

Moser > Sergachev

Sergachev has the 3rd highest time on ice per game played in the entire NHL and is the only thing holding a decimated blueline together. The team would be entirely in shambles without him. I’ve been a huge fan so far. I had about the highest expectations of any Utah fan out there for him, and he’s met my expectations completely so far.

But it’s been a tiny sample size.

Sergachev was said to be better than he was, so I can see that.

Tampa is also a better team than Utah(Arizona). Sergachev seems like an OK number 4 from the limit viewings I've seen of him in Utah.

Try opening both eyes.

 

[DFC]

Sergachev has the 3rd highest time on ice per game played in the entire NHL and is the only thing holding a decimated blueline together. The team would be entirely in shambles without him. I’ve been a huge fan so far. I had about the highest expectations of any Utah fan out there for him, and he’s met my expectations completely so far.

But it’s been a tiny sample size.

Moser has been incredibly consistent on our end. Great defensively and his offense seems kind of underrated.

I think both players are better fits with their new team than their old. For us, Moser is the better player.

 

[Mogo]

I saw the thread get bumped I had to check if Geekie had scored a hat-trick

 

[rt]

Moser has been incredibly consistent on our end. Great defensively and his offense seems kind of underrated.

I think both players are better fits with their new team than their old. For us, Moser is the better player.

I always liked Moser. No complaints. Glad he’s doing well. Glad Geekie seems to be doing well, too. I watched him play at least 50+ times from his draft year through the last WHL playoffs. He’s a very funny and engaging kid. Easy to cheer for. I had him 10th on my list in his draft season and I was pretty happy overall with his development (consistency concerns aside).

It seems all three players are pretty much meeting the expectations I had for them at the time of the trade. Geekie a bit ahead of schedule, apparently. But it’s still very early.

 

[Jormungandr]

Sergachev has been fantastic so far for Utah. Has been a rock on the backend.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Sergachev has the 3rd highest time on ice per game played in the entire NHL and is the only thing holding a decimated blueline together. The team would be entirely in shambles without him. I’ve been a huge fan so far. I had about the highest expectations of any Utah fan out there for him, and he’s met my expectations completely so far.

But it’s been a tiny sample size.


Try opening both eyes.

You should.

Limited viewings should have been obvious, but I guess not.

Here.

LIMITED VIEWINGS.

 

[rt]

You should.

Limited viewings should have been obvious, but I guess not.

Here.

LIMITED VIEWINGS.

My viewings of your posts of been limited. But I have seen more than enough.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

My viewings of your posts of been limited. But I move seem more than enough.

Damn, that's the best you came up with ?

Should have just ignored it and moved on.

 

[rt]

Damn, that's the best you came up with ?

Should have just ignored it and moved on.

This from a guy who responded in large font with essentially “I know you are but what am I” is pretty rich.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Not sure what's happening in Utah, but from a TB fan's perspective:

Moser > Sergachev

I haven't watched Moser as much as TB fans but he looked very solid on Thursday. Not sure I would spike the football after 8 or 9 games though. The Wild had guys on the doorstep for a lot of the game and one of the goals we scored was JEE just standing in front of the goalie unmolested

 

[Schemp]

I liked Moser on the Coyotes, but he wasn't a top pairing blueliner.
Sergachev is a much better player than how the bolts utilized him. He is better suited with his role with Utah. Too bad that their top 2 RHDs are out long term, their lack of depth is exposed.
Would have preferred that Utah rip off Tampa and could of kept Moser, but that's not how fair trades end up.
It was an overpayment for the better player, but the UtHC had the resources and inclination to do the trade.
I see it as a win win scenario for both clubs.

 

[Rschmitz]

How’s Sergachev’s defense been? Has he stopped being careless and lackadaisical?

 

[bov]

No surprise, Sergachev is every bit of a #1 defender. Besides last season where he sustained back to back serious leg injuries, he has improved year after year. Said at the time of the trade he'd be the best player on Utah and it looks like he will at least be their top blueliner for years to come. Don't let the coping and putdowns from TB fans fool you, he been trending towards this since day one and can finally be "the guy".

On the other side, Geekie and Moser is a nice return so this is one of those trades that seems to be working out for both teams.

 

[ViD]

Sergachev plays like a legit 1D eating 25 minutes a game and scoring at a nearly PPG rate and he’s being compared to some random dude

 

[WarriorofTime]

Sergachev is Utah's Number 1 Defenseman fwiw.

Have some chill, Tampa fans.

 

[Regal]

Still feels like a win-win. Sergachev seems like the kind of player who probably thrives more in a bigger role that he wouldn’t get with Hedman around. Tampa got younger, cheaper guys who can fill roles now and the cap space to add McDonagh for a different look on the defense.

 

[JTBF81]

Sergachev plays like a legit 1D eating 25 minutes a game and scoring at a nearly PPG rate and he’s being compared to some random dude

Moser is far from "some random dude". Serg is a better player overall, but Moser has fit in very well and looks to be a better fit in Tampa than Serg early on this season. Serg's capability for points and scoring was never in question in Tampa, but his continued lack of consistency in his own end after 5 years in Tampa, coupled with his 8.5 cap hit, made him the logical choice to move with Hedman and McD on the team. Good for him that he's doing well so far in Utah, but Moser has done exactly what Tampa has needed at both ends as well.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Moser is far from "some random dude". Serg is a better player overall, but Moser has fit in very well and looks to be a better fit in Tampa than Serg early on this season.

Didn't they win 2 Cups with Sergachev playing Top 3 minutes? lol